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Number of victims to unknown virus growing! State of emergency to be imposed in Ukraine?

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posted on Nov, 2 2009 @ 01:20 PM

Oh and by the way Chuckles here is the latest headline from the ORIGINAL MEDIA SOURCE of this entire thread.

There are no reasons to presuppose that there are cases of pulmonary or any plague, said the chief sanitary doctor of Ukraine Oleksandr Bilovol. Meanwhile, the Ministry of Health has confirmed 67 cases of deaths from influenza and acute respiratory viral infections in the Lviv, Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk and Chernivtsi Regions. Out of them are 22 cases of deaths from influenza A virus (H1N1) - "Californian". In general, about 255,000 of people are ill with flu and acute respiratory viral infections. 15,000 people are in hospitals and 170 people in the intensive care department. Moreover, the Cabinet of Ministers intends to consider suitability of imposing quarantine in the regions where it has not yet imposed on November 2-3.

Wow guess you were wrong huh.

[edit on 2-11-2009 by AllexxisF1]

Mod Edit: Removed off topic reply...

[edit on 11/2/2009 by seagull]

posted on Nov, 2 2009 @ 01:24 PM

Originally posted by infinite
reply to post by AllexxisF1

So Ukrainian media isn't credible. How Xenophobic.

[edit on 2-11-2009 by infinite]

Are they credible or not? All the articles link to each other and all say the plague rumor came from "internet sources" while quoting the health minister as stating it's "just swine flu".

Are they trying to hint in some vague way that the health minister is lying? I would think if they're brave enough to report an Internet rumor that will scare the crap out of people they'd be brave enough to call out the health minister.

The problem is that somehow people are translating that into the "health minister blames plague" and posting pneumonic plague as a proven fact. Its not and any use of logic at all would show why its ridiculous to even consider given the reported statistics and time frame.

posted on Nov, 2 2009 @ 01:26 PM
Howdy, folks...

Let's see... the topic of this thread is a story about an unknown virus growing in the Ukraine.

Not each other.

The off topic snide remarks stop now. We can discuss the topic like adults, or the topic can go away. The decision is yours.

posted on Nov, 2 2009 @ 01:28 PM
reply to post by AllexxisF1

Somehow everyone misses the part about "viral pneumonia" in that. The plague is bacterial pneumonia folks, look it up.

This is the exact same set of events we saw in Mexico. The flu killed people quickly, left them with pneumonia to die a little slower or given them a mild case of the flu. The really bad news is that a higher number of people will end up dying a month from now of pneumonia than will be listed as having died from swine flu.

posted on Nov, 2 2009 @ 01:28 PM
Well Bloomberg is putting their own spin on this:

Ukraine Mystery Outbreak Sparks WHO Concern as Disease Spreads

Nov. 2 (Bloomberg) -- The World Health Organization sent a team of experts to Ukraine today to investigate an outbreak of respiratory disease that’s sickened a quarter of a million people and left pharmacies without masks or flu remedies.

A group of epidemiologists, physicians, laboratory technicians and communications advisers is scheduled to arrive tonight in Kiev, Gregory Hartl, a WHO spokesman in Geneva, said in a telephone interview today.

Ukraine faces an outbreak of flu-like illness that’s killed at least 67 people and infected 255,000, according to the country’s first deputy health minister Vasyl Lazoryshynets. About 22 patients tested positive for swine flu, Lazoryshynets said.

It’s “difficult to tell” whether the pandemic H1N1 virus is responsible for all the cases, according to Hartl. “There are a lot of unknowns,” he said. The crew of experts will collect samples from patients and send them to the WHO’s influenza collaborating center in London for diagnosis. The WHO may have more information on Nov. 4, Hartl said.

Like all sources, lots of unknowns, difficult to tell, mysterious outbreak..

posted on Nov, 2 2009 @ 01:29 PM
reply to post by ecoparity

I think that we have seen the death of critical thinking and the scientific method. CFR is still low, with social distancing the rate of new infections should slow. You did good work here but the lethal recessive genes rule.

posted on Nov, 2 2009 @ 01:29 PM

Originally posted by ecoparity
reply to post by AceWombat04

We were telling people on ATS back in May that a high number of swine flu victims ended up contracting secondary pneumonia and advising them to get the pneumococcal vaccine.

Actually, this is not a good idea.

The pneumococcal vaccine should not be given out is only recommended in a small group of people; people who are immunocompromised, and people who are missing a spleen. Plus, you can only take it twice in your life....revaccination more than once is not recommended.

Plus, remember, there are risks associated with EVERY vaccine. Here are some of the more serious risks from the pneumococal vaccine:


Guillain-Barre syndrome



Hematologic: Hemolytic anemia, Thrombocytopenia

Immunologic: Anaphylactoid reaction, Angioedema, Serum sickness due to drug

edit to add:

Plus, the pneumococcal vaccine only protects against the most common cocci that causes pneumonia....this infection they are seeing in Ukraine is said to be "atypical" (caused by an atypical organism) which means the vaccine probably wouldn't protect against the bugs anyway. So, you would just be risking serious side effects for no reason.

[edit on 2-11-2009 by nikiano]

posted on Nov, 2 2009 @ 01:31 PM
reply to post by DontTreadOnMe

Thank you. A voice of reason lost in the ATS sea of fear mongering and bad reporting.

posted on Nov, 2 2009 @ 01:32 PM
reply to post by thoughtsfull

SARS was quoted a few pages back.

However, the similar outbreaks in Bulgaria, Poland and Romania are easy to document and cover - governments are quite open. All deaths and cases were listed as "swine flu or alternative type"

posted on Nov, 2 2009 @ 01:32 PM
I think most people forget Brazil July 14 4 people dead by August 29 602 dead.
Argentina June 15 1st death July 14 137 deaths August 14 404 deaths.

What you have here is a government that pulled a Katrina on there people. They have seen h1n1 for about a year now and did nothing to prepair and now are watching helplessly as they try to do something now that it has showed up in there country. They were able to get tamiflu for 10 percent of the price and have it delivered but only after beging the world to help and now that they got there tamiflu they attack the drug companies saying they are ripping off there country becuase they think everything should be given to them at 10 percent of the cost. I say the cospiracy should be the idiots in government that caused this chaos in the first place by ignoring a freight train coming there way and acting shocked when it ran them over.

[edit on 2-11-2009 by JBA2848]

posted on Nov, 2 2009 @ 01:40 PM
reply to post by JBA2848

This is a very intelligent and wise remark - all should star.

Nobody notice the figures in other parts of the world, especially calculating all the verified reports - some countries have played down figures And, as another member said, three days to close the border? If we are talking a mutation or indeed pseudo-plague - it's already in Europe.

Fiddling while Rome burns and all that...

posted on Nov, 2 2009 @ 01:42 PM
reply to post by thoughtsfull

And, spin is a good word.
The Bloomberg article certainly sounds more dire than what is coming from RSOE:

Situation Update No. 14
On 02.11.2009 at 15:42 GMT+2

At the government's request, the World Health Organization has sent a team to help Ukraine deal with the outbreak. "But this is not an indication that the situation is severe," said WHO spokeswoman Liuba Negru. "The information we have gotten (from the government), we have to double-check it and make sure it is real evidence-based information."

[edit on Mon Nov 2 2009 by DontTreadOnMe]

posted on Nov, 2 2009 @ 01:45 PM
Deaths From Swine Flu Vaccine Reported In Europe

Rhiza Labs FluTracker

Hungary: Minister says Ukraine flu epidemic to create emergency in Hungary

posted on Nov, 2 2009 @ 01:47 PM
reply to post by DontTreadOnMe

I go with spin, as that is what all the articles mean to me, trying to work out what lies beneath the spin is the art (which I'm not so good at ;-)

posted on Nov, 2 2009 @ 01:53 PM
rt news report in english
above link is the video

Ukraine pleas for help as flu epidemic spreads
Published 02 November, 2009, 11:09

Edited 02 November, 2009, 22:37

Ukrainian President Victor Yushchenko has called on the international community to help the country combat the swine flu epidemic which hit the country last week. Kiev is taking emergency measures to stop the outbreak.

Yahoo StumbleUpon Google Live Technorati Digg Reddit Mixx Propeller The president has sent letters to the European Commission, NATO’s Secretary General, and the heads of Belarus, Hungary, Moldova, Poland, Romania, Slovakia and the US asking for humanitarian aid, said the presidential press service. Ukraine needs antiviral medicine, medical masks, lung ventilators and other equipment. Several countries have already agreed to help, while Russia offered aid on its own initiative.

Ukrainian government has made an emergency purchase of Tamiflu medicine from Switzerland. A shipment of 300 million doses, worth $2.5 million, was airlifted on Sunday night. According to the president’s press service, the seller offered a discount price for Ukraine.

[edit on 2-11-2009 by JBA2848]

posted on Nov, 2 2009 @ 01:55 PM
Unsure how reliable this source is but the Czechs are not planning on closing there border with Ukraine:

Prague - The Czech Republic is not considering limiting travel in relation to the flu epidemic that killed some 67 people in Ukraine, Czech Interior Minister Martin Pecina told a press conference after a cabinet meeting today.

posted on Nov, 2 2009 @ 01:56 PM
reply to post by thoughtsfull

Not a wise move, especially for a member state of the European Union

posted on Nov, 2 2009 @ 02:00 PM
reply to post by infinite

True, but as noted in the very brief article

Pecina noted that if a Schengen border was to be closed, the EU member countries would have to agree on it.

So who makes that "group" decision!

posted on Nov, 2 2009 @ 02:06 PM
What impact does this panic have on the political election in Ukraine?

posted on Nov, 2 2009 @ 02:07 PM

Originally posted by JJay55
What impact does this panic have on the political election in Ukraine?

It has the potential to stall the elections thus keeping the current government in power.

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