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Originally posted by wayno
It occurs to me that if it was the bacterial form of pneumonia affecting Ukrainians, then they would not be dying the way they are.
Autopsies of people who died in hospital showed the melted lungs symptoms. While in hospital they surely received antibiotics. Those did not work.
This suggests to me that it is more likely to be the viral form of pneumonia at work there. It looks to my non professional eyes like the flu (of whatever strain) and viral pneumonia have teamed up to give a 1 - 2 punch.
Fellow autopsy surgeons discussed what they called a “pathological nightmare,” with lungs up to six times their normal weight, looking “like melted red currant jelly.”34 An account published by the National Academies of Science describes the lungs taken from victims as “hideously transformed” from light, buoyant, air-filled structures to dense sacks of bloody fluid.35
Originally posted by ecoparity
There is no pneumonic plague!
Its the swine flu, the exact same virus that's been going around teh globe and the exact same set of symptoms (including the horrible respiratory ones). The rapid deaths associated with cytokine storms die from bleeding in the lungs. Longer term patients often develop secondary pneumonia.
Conditions in the Ukraine are such that the viral load is high, (the virus is able to live outside a host for a lot longer than usual) which is why they are using the aeroclave pandemic response of spraying an airborne disinfectant (kind of like spraying lysol everywhere). They are trying to keep the high viral load from spreading out into the region.
This is exactly why the nations who are coming into flu season are declaring emergencies, they see the same conditions coming which will increase the viral load and thereby increase the number of deaths.
The only thing you can do is to protect yourself by isolation and protection. Those of you living in the rest of Europe and the US should take this as the last warning to get prepared.
Originally posted by jonny2410
reply to post by Luppakorva
I think the melted lungs thing was a comment from a doctor in some translated article yesterday.
RSOE Emergency and Disaster Information Service
Situation Update No. 9
Posted:2009-10-28, 03:35:18 [UTC]
Situation Update No. 9
On 2009-11-01 at 03:49:20 [UTC]
Event: Epidemic Hazard
Location: Ukraine MultiStates Ternopil, Lviv, Zakarpattya, Ivano-Frankivsk Oblasts
Number of Deads: 48 person(s)
Number of Infected: 150000 person(s)
The death toll from a swine flu outbreak in Ukraine has risen to nearly 50, President Viktor Yushchenko announced Saturday, having put the number of dead at only 11 the day before. Quoted by the Interfax news agency, Yushchenko said the epidemic was spreading at a furious pace, with a total of 48 deaths and around 150,000 people sick. The president said that alone in Lviv region in the country's west, more than 60,000 people had been infected with the H1N1 virus. All schools, kindergartens, and universities were closed for a three-week period on Friday. A ban on massed gatherings - forcing the wholesale cancellation of concerts and political rallies - was also in effect. Ukraine's national security council also approved the equivalent of 55 million dollars in emergency funding, for swine flu control, and earlier Saturday the Ukrainian government announced new measures to control the spread of the virus. Health Minister Vasyl Kniazevych told Channel 5 television that the flu was thought still to be limited to the country's western provinces as of Saturday morning, but because of the number of suspected cases, a spread was likely. "The country must prepare for a wider outbreak," Kniazevych said. "Its direction of movement is towards central Ukraine."
More than 80,000 people in the swine flu outbreak area had registered with authorities as displaying possible flu symptoms, but because of the similarity of swine flu symptoms to those of common flu, health workers were struggling to estimate the extent of the swine flu's spread, Kniazevych said. "We had a problem with identifying the (swine flu) antibody in flu sufferers," he said. "There is a mass of work we have to do." Panic purchasing of flu remedies, surgical masks, and even citrus fruits took place in most major cities in the former Soviet republic, 1+1 television reported. The swine flu deaths thus far have been limited to the nine western provinces, most along the borders with Slovakia, Poland, and Romania. Shortages of over-the-counter medicines used to treat the common flu were reported as far away as the eastern city Zaporizhia, some 900 kilometres from the epicentre of the outbreak. Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko was scheduled to hold an emergency meeting with regional health officials Saturday, to discuss new disease control measures. Invoking a rarely-used law allowing the state to take temporary control of private property, Tymoshenko declared all health-related organizations in the country, including privately-owned health clinics and hospitals, to be "directly subordinate" to the government, effective immediately.
The government would pay particular attention to medical supply retailers, to head off artificial goods shortages and price gouging, she said, in comments reported by the Unian news agency. Retail price spikes of as much as 300 per cent for cold and flu remedies have taken place in recent years in Ukraine, during avian flu outbreaks. Tymoshenko claimed privately-operated chemists in the country were "absolutely supplied in full volume with all necessary medical supplies," contradicting spot reports of shortages. Trains operated by the national railroad Ukrzhelesnitsiya were running according to schedule, but staff were ordered to wear surgical masks, and instructed to report passengers who appear to have flu symptoms. Medical personnel aboard "every passenger train" were available to provide first aid to potential flu sufferers, and would report people treated to the Health Ministry, according to statement on the Ukrzhelesnitsiya website. Traffic in Ukrainian airports and intercity highways meanwhile appeared to be at normal levels despite a call by Tymoshenko for Ukrainians to avoid long-distance travel if possible. Traffic police and airport security personnel have been briefed to screen travellers visually, Tymoshenko said.
Ukraine's president has asked the international community for help dealing with a flu epidemic that the country's Health Ministry said on Sunday has killed 53 people. "The current threat to the national security of Ukraine, which we cannot offset by just our own efforts, requires me to turn to our closest friends and strategic partners for emergency assistance," Viktor Yushchenko said in a letter posted on the presidential administration web site. Letters were sent on Sunday to the leaders of Belarus, Hungary, Moldova, Poland, Russia, Romania, Slovakia and the United States, as well as to the European Commission president and secretary general of NATO. "In the letters, Viktor Yushchenko also contains a list of the medicines and medical equipment that are necessary first of all for our nation to effectively counter the spread of epidemic influenza," a statement on the site said. Ukraine has already received offers of assistance from Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, Russia and Poland, including for the delivery of vaccines and medical masks.
The Health Ministry said the 53 people had died from influenza or acute respiratory infections, but it was not clear how many of the deaths were related to the H1N1 virus. There was an outbreak of swine flu in western Ukraine in the middle of the week, but recent data only confirmed 13 cases and one death. The ministry said that 184,919 people were sick with flu or colds, with 7,383 requiring hospitalization, 123 in serious condition. The government has announced quarantine in nine areas in western Ukraine, and banned public events across the country and closed schools. A team of experts from the World Health Organization is due in the country on Monday. "In response to the request from the Minister of Health of the Ukraine, WHO is deploying a multi-disciplinary team of experts to assist national authorities in mitigating the impact of the pandemic," the WHO said on Sunday in a statement on its web site.