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Number of victims to unknown virus growing! State of emergency to be imposed in Ukraine?

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posted on Dec, 5 2009 @ 06:21 PM

Originally posted by zeddissad
Another article by W. Engdahl on Ukraine theme. This quote summarize pretty well article content:

The Ukraine deaths attributed by WHO and Ukraine authorities to an uncontrolled outbreak of H1N1 Swine Flu are not the result of H1N1, a virus whose very existence has never been demonstrated by WHO. The deaths appear to be a consequence of collapsing general health conditions as well as supplies of basic grains. The IMF conditionalities imposed on Ukraine as a precondition for a stabilization loan and not Swine Flu is where we should look for the cause.

BTW is one of my favorite geopolitical site.

Good pick-up. Engdahl always tells it like it is. But there are other excerpts
in that article which are of equal importance:

"The Ukraine deaths attributed by WHO and Ukraine authorities to an uncontrolled outbreak of H1N1 Swine Flu are not the result of H1N1, a virus whose very existence has never been demonstrated by WHO. The deaths appear to be a consequence of collapsing general health conditions as well as supplies of basic grains. The IMF conditionalities imposed on Ukraine as a precondition for a stabilization loan and not Swine Flu is where we should look for the cause."

"Very telling is the fact that since the political decision was made inside the Geneva World Health Organization this past summer to declare an unproven H1N1 Influenza A virus "pandemic level" threat to mankind, earlier WHO warnings about outbreak of Tuberculosis and strains of TB in Ukraine that defy treatment with drugs have mysteriously vanished. Could this be because WHO and the large pharma industry behind it prefer to call it Swine Flu and sell dangerous new untested vaccines laced with possibly deadly or maiming adjuvants?"

"Under recently revised WHO definitions, death from TB or lung disorders is lumped in the same "cause of death" category as death from influenza. The WHO International Statistical Classification of Diseases, ICD-10, Chapter X, "Diseases of the Respiratory System," Code J09-18, combine under one title: Influenza and Pneumonia. The cause of death from untreated TB is recorded as pneumonia and dumped into J09-18. The suspicion is that this was done for political reasons and that all the deaths reported since April 2009 attributed to H1N1 Influenza A are in fact deaths of patients with severe pulmonary conditions such as TB that has been left untreated resulting in fatal pneumonia. [1]"

TB at record levels

"In February 2008, the WHO had issued a warning about a deadly spread of TB in Ukraine. According to a Reuters report of February 26, 2008, the WHO stated that "Cases of tuberculosis that defy existing drugs are being recorded globally at the highest rates ever seen, with parts of the former Soviet Union especially vulnerable."

"The report continued, "Based on data from 81 countries, the WHO estimated nearly half a million people a year worldwide become infected with a form of TB resistant to two or more of the primary drugs used to treat it. That number accounts for about 5 percent of the 9 million new TB cases annually. Extensively drug-resistant TB, the form that is hardest to treat, was seen in 45 countries and may be present in others because only extremely limited data was available from Africa, the UN health agency said." [2]

"This is my frustration here -- the world is not taking this epidemic seriously," Dr. Mario Raviglione, director of the WHO Stop TB Department, said in a telephone interview. "What the report shows is simply that we are in big trouble in many parts of the world."

"The WHO reported then that Russia, Azerbaijan, Moldova and Ukraine were among the countries hit hardest by drug-resistant TB."

posted on Dec, 5 2009 @ 09:14 PM

Originally posted by afoolbyanyothername
I stopped reading around page 100+
Now this thread has reached page 239 ... with all those posts, there must finally be some kind of consensus as to what's been happening in the Ukraine. Perhaps someone would be kind enough to summarize in a few short sentences what this thread has concluded and achieved ?

I'm sorry to tell this but only consensus existing in this thread is: WHO/BigPharma/governments/MSM are lying.
There is another consensus emanating (maybe) that one of reasons for swine flu hype is to cover up real epidemics of TB and malaria.
Many posters are not sure if "swine flu" even exist.
As for me:
There is flu virus which was probably constructed in lab and released by accident or by will.
Most cases of this virus are mild as seasonal flu, but there is possibility of mutation to more danger form. This was manifested by "black lungs" in Ukraine, Norway, Czech Rep., Brasilia, USA, ... We have no indicies (if and) how fast this mutated form is spreading. This mutated form is not detectable by common "swine flu" tests.

While this thread can't answer your questions, it's still one of best place to work on your opinion. Amount of data (and BS) presented here is amazing.

posted on Dec, 5 2009 @ 09:30 PM
reply to post by calohan

Now I definitively have TB as important line of reasoning. But still, if I read back this forum, especially early Asens posts from ground zero, there is something more then TB. TB can on other side be reason why Ukraine was struck so hard, but it isn't in my view lonely pathogen at play.

posted on Dec, 6 2009 @ 12:16 AM

Originally posted by zeddissad
reply to post by calohan

Now I definitively have TB as important line of reasoning. But still, if I read back this forum, especially early Asens posts from ground zero, there is something more then TB. TB can on other side be reason why Ukraine was struck so hard, but it isn't in my view lonely pathogen at play.

The authorities at ground zero are totally ignoring TB. As for it being the lonely pathogen at play, it rarely is. Secondary infections occur routinely in that disease, bacterial and viral, and I wouldn't be surprised if H1N1 was one of these. But the NIAID is on record already that the vast majority of deaths in 1918 were not from a virus.

[edit on 6-12-2009 by calohan]

posted on Dec, 6 2009 @ 12:55 AM

Originally posted by afoolbyanyothername
reply to post by marg6043

I'm in agreement with you, marg6043.

Here in Australia a few months ago, we were the 1st country to make the swine flu vaccine available. As far as I'm aware, there has been NO mass stampede by the average guy/gal in the street to their local clinic/hospital/doctor to get their free shot. The government has done virtually nothing to encourage the populace to get the vaccination.

Basically, the swine flu "epidemic" has been a non-event here in Australia. Like yourself, I have not personally seen a single person with confirmed swine flu ... neither has any member of my family or any of my friends. If it hadn't been for the initial media hype leading up to the so-called "pandemic" alert, you could be forgiven for asking "swine flu ? what swine flu ?".

And if swine flu is so "low key" here in Oz, why should we believe that it's radically different in other countries ? After all, Australia is very much a part of the 21st century global community and doesn't exist in isolation from the rest of the world.

So, one can now ask ... has the swine flu had a major impact on the world's population ? The answer has to be NO.

Where are you in Australia, afoolbyanyothername?

East of Melbourne pretty well everyone got sick, and at the three workplaces I know, each employing over 100 workers, they had most of their staff off work with it, (though not all at once.) Government stats backed this up with a huge temporary increase in sickies.

I don't know of anyone having it in the last 2 months now; I think we're all immune now.

I nearly died of it, but I already had serious medical problems. Many others I knew got pneumonia, but it was easily cured with a course of antibiotics. So it was still more in the nuisance category than a threat here.

And no-one I know got immunised.

posted on Dec, 6 2009 @ 01:01 AM
reply to post by Kailassa

Just thought i'd add im from Brisbane and I didn't know anyone up here who's had it. No rush up here about the vaccine, my grandfather and cousin had it, but my grandfather already has severe lung problems so he took the vaccine when it first came out, he had no side effects to it either. I'm not saying it didnt happen in australia, but my idea in regards to the sickies maybe the number in them went up because alot of people took time off to stay in and avoid possibly catching it and some to just take the day off? seems like the aussie way, if in doubt, chuck a sickie!

posted on Dec, 6 2009 @ 02:15 AM
reply to post by Kailassa

Where are you in Australia, afoolbyanyothername?

I'm in Adelaide.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not disputing that swine flu exists but here in Adelaide and S.A. as a whole, any panic and wholesale infection attributed to the possibility of swine flu sweeping through the S.A. population has turned out to be nothing short of a complete and utter non-event.

posted on Dec, 6 2009 @ 07:00 AM

Originally posted by afoolbyanyothername
reply to post by Kailassa

Where are you in Australia, afoolbyanyothername?

I'm in Adelaide.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not disputing that swine flu exists but here in Adelaide and S.A. as a whole, any panic and wholesale infection attributed to the possibility of swine flu sweeping through the S.A. population has turned out to be nothing short of a complete and utter non-event.

Again, another example of hysteria of capitalism. How embarrassing. The perps should be brought to justice.
Don't get me wrong, capitalism is a good thing, but with example like this and Enron and bank failures there are some little adjustments that need to be made.

posted on Dec, 6 2009 @ 07:03 AM

What you don't know about swine flu

Yogesh Pawar, Saturday August 8, 2009, Mumbai

Is the noise around swine flu drowning out sheer logic? A 28-year-old doctor who does not want to be identified thinks so.

A resident doctor at the JJ Hospital in Mumbai, he has tuberculosis -- a disease that kills thousands of Indians every day.

"I could not believe I could get TB and that too such a virulent type. It was very troublesome and painful," he said.

According to data released by the National Institute of Communicable Diseases, someone dies of TB in India every minute; cancer kills 800 every day. Compared to that, swine flu has just killed two people so far in three months.

"There are many diseases like TB that have been killing people much more than swine flu. But it's perhaps newness that has panicked people," said Dr Jairaj Thanekar, executive health officer, BMC.

Epidemologists say that less than 10 per cent of those being tested for the virus have actually tested positive for it. And that goes to show there's cause for restraint and also a need to show as much or more concern for deadlier diseases.

posted on Dec, 6 2009 @ 12:43 PM
Excerpts from the Lancet


The Lancet

Volume 373, Issue 9681, Page 2108, 20 June 2009

Defining priorities: swine-origin H1N1 and the MDR-TB epidemic
Giovanni Battista Migliori a , Giovanni Sotgiu b, Christoph Lange c, Gavin Macgregor-Skinner d

In the response to the emergence of a novel H1N1 influenza virus and its subsequent spread worldwide, we would like to ensure that existing global health priorities are not neglected.

Tuberculosis is a respiratory pandemic priority, affecting an estimated 9•27 million people and killing 1•77 million worldwide in 2007.1 Multidrug-resistant tuberculosis (MDR-TB; 511 000 cases, 150 000 deaths estimated in 2007) has a case—fatality rate of 294 per 1000 affected individuals, and extensively drug-resistant tuberculosis (XDR-TB; 50 000 cases and 30 000 deaths estimated in 2007) has a case—fatality rate of 600 per 1000 affected cases.2

This means 1•13 daily deaths in Mexico and 0•1 in the rest of the world for influenza H1N1 and 410•9 and 82•2 daily deaths, respectively, for MDR-TB and XDR-TB. In the given situation, vigilance is important but the fight against the true priorities should continue.

While the media reported extensively on the novel influenza virus, WHO and the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention stopped using the term “swine flu” to prevent the collapse of the swine products market, WHO declared phase 5 (the current definition does not consider mortality), and the World Health Assembly was shortened, rescheduling and then reintroducing the planned discussion on the MDR-TB emergency. It seems that under media pressure, the scientific community has lost its capacity to keep priorities in check and to manage the new challenge in a collaborative and non-vertical manner.

The global tuberculosis network is composed, largely, of pulmonologists and infectious disease and public health specialists, well distributed around the world, and covering urban as well as rural territories. This network is able to support influenza control specialists in implementing effective prevention, diagnosis, and, when necessary, treatment of the novel H1N1 influenza virus infection.

Much ink and paper has been and will be devoted to discussing this burning issue. Our contribution is mainly focused at calling for a wiser use of the available surveillance data. Public health interventions should be guided by facts (not by emotions), and should always take their cost-effectiveness into account.

This text reflects the opinions of the authors, and not necessarily those of their affiliated organisations. We declare that we have no conflicts of interest.

1 WHO. Global tuberculosis control: epidemiology, strategy, financing. Geneva: World Health Organization, 2009.
2 Sotgiu G, Ferrara G, Matteelli A, et al. Epidemiology and clinical management of XDR-TB: a systematic review by TBNET. Eur Resp J 2009; 33: 871-881. PubMed
a Fondazione S Maugeri, Tradate, Varese 21049, Italy
b University of Sassari, Sassari, Italy
c Clinical Infectious Diseases, Research Center Borstel, Borstel, Germany
d USAID, Washington, DC, USA

posted on Dec, 6 2009 @ 04:28 PM
Well this interesting, just a yesterday in our local news paper a spokesman from the CDC that we happen to know because his mother in law used to work for my husband, came to do some speeches on the dangers of the Seasonal flu and swine flu for people that are HIV positive.

Now we all know that HIV people have a very hard time with diseases because their immune system is compromise, I wonder is something is cooking and now warnings are coming out targeting that sector of the population that happens to be a very growing number around the world.

I feel that I should share this will you all.

posted on Dec, 8 2009 @ 06:32 PM
This flu if it was a planned event is very odd. The media portrays this as pandemic but where are the bodies in the streets wheres the closed hospitals and suposed ? percent death rate the swine flu is like a massive hurricane that never made land fall. Im in a very densly populated area in new york hub of the world and there is no emergancy other then the media telling us its a global pandemic. My thoughts are would we even know this was going on without the media/goverment hype ? There should be pandemic level 6 for many other diseases like aids and the seasonal flu should be up there too it just doesnt make sense. The depopluation theory definately lost its backing well lets face it when the millions of victims never died of course some people dont recover from flu and many other illness as well that doesnt mean end of days just means theres a new virus that caught the who attention. I dunno but all the conspiracies seem to be fading into what ifs not real factual events. I think its just a great media title plague ,new deadly virus, untested vaccine our opinions would be different if we didnt have the nightly news telling us to run and hide the reeper is coming.
Dont get me wrong i was one of the first among the people i know to think this could be it The big one it just died on the vine i dunno im very disappointed in how the world is allowing this hype to continue. just turn the tv off and breathe folks theres really nothing going on. Nothting new or that much more serious then the diseases we all are familiar with its way past the time when it would have been a real pandemic and now we are all just victims of fox and cnn news. Not the black death(pig flu).

P.S. anyone who actually did die from this my apologies to there loved ones im not trying to down play human life its the most important thing we have here on earth. peace folks and be calm dont let them win by us falling prey to there irresponsiblity.

man ATS is a cool website i dont even really like the internet or blogs but this site is for people by people who are free thinking its refreshing.

posted on Dec, 12 2009 @ 06:50 AM
I posted earlier in this thread that I had written to my local MP Shaun Woodward who is also Northern Ireland secretary.I asked what the UK was doing to assist Ukraine to fight the pandemic.He passed on my letter to Chris Byant (Uk minister for Europe)
I was forwarded his reply today.

Thank you for your letter of 9th.November to the Foreign Secretary on behalf of your constituent Martin3030 about the outbreak of flu in Ukraine.I am replying as Minister for Europe.

Ukraine has asked the international community for help to respond to this outbreak and I can assure you that we are treating this request seriously.An expert team from the World Health Organisation(WHO) is working with the Ukraniangovernment to assess the outbreak of severe acute resparitory infection and the role within it of the current pandemic influenza strain A/H1N1.The results of this expert assessment will enable to determine the UKs response to Ukraines request for assistance.

The UK has offered over £30 million in international assistance to help low-income countries cope with swine flu.This is in addition to the £37 million provided since 2006 to help poorer countries prepare for pandemic and avian influenza.Our assistance has been directed to countries least able to cope,and has been primarily channeled through the UN.The UN has indicated that Ukraine is one of 95 countries that will recieve assistance to deal with swine flu.The EU,through the European Commissions monitoring and Information centre,and NATO through the Euro-Atlantic Disaster Response Coordination Centre,are also contributing significantly to international response.An effective multilateral effort is key to ensuring we can save as many livesas possible,both in Ukraine and worldwide.


posted on Dec, 14 2009 @ 02:37 AM
What is the actual status of the situation in Ukraine? Does anyone have some recent information? Are the numbers of people admitted to hospitals still that high or have they been declining?

I feel like the whole thing was a bit blown out of proportion. 1.5 million sick but how many actually died? Only a few hundred? The death toll seems nigligeble.

posted on Dec, 14 2009 @ 05:37 PM
Hello everyone,

Came back to this thread to see how is the OP after his trip back to India. Noticed though that there were "quite a few posts" after my last visit in this thread when I decided to call it a day since things were only going into finger pointing and accusing each others. So, I decided just to post and ask if you guys have information about it or if He's still reading this thread himself? So I hope you're reading this. Did you make it out from Ukraine and back to home and everything's well?

Hope you did so and the jorney back home was safe?

posted on Dec, 14 2009 @ 05:56 PM
reply to post by Mythtified

here just for you RSOE EDIS got uptaded today

Situation Update No. 54
On 14.12.2009 at 09:21 GMT+2

The number of those who have died of flu and flu-like illnesses in Ukraine has increased to 496 people as of late on Dec. 13, the Ukrainian Health Ministry has reported. Six people have died of flu and its complications (pneumonia) over the past 24 hours, the ministry said. Two people died in Donetsk region, and one each in Kyiv, Dnipropetrovsk, Volyn, and Cherkasy regions. Since the outbreak of the epidemic, over 2.463 million people have contracted flu and respiratory infections, including 19,198 people over the past 24 hours. A total of 147,931 people have been hospitalized since the start of the epidemic (October 29). Of those hospitalized, 117,186 people have been discharged from hospitals. The epidemic threshold of flu and flu-like illnesses has been exceeded in Vinnytsia, Dnipropetrovsk, Kirovohrad, Luhansk, Sumy and Cherkasy regions, and in the city of Sevastopol.

posted on Dec, 17 2009 @ 07:43 AM

World Health Organisation ‘Mr Swine Flu’ Under Investigation for Gross Conflict of Interest

Dec 08, 2009

By: F William Engdahl

The man with the nickname “Dr Flu”, Professor Albert Osterhaus, of the Erasmus University in Rotterdam Holland has been named by Dutch media researchers as the person at the center of the worldwide Swine Flu H1N1 Influenza A 2009 pandemic hysteria. Not only is Osterhaus the connecting person in an international network that has been described as the Pharma Mafia, he is THE key advisor to WHO on influenza and is intimately positioned to personally profit from the billions of euros in vaccines allegedly aimed at H1N1.

Earlier this year the Second Chamber of the Netherland Parliament undertook an investigation into alleged conflicts of interest and financial improprieties of the well-known Dr. Osterhaus. Outside Holland and a mention at the time in the Dutch media, the only note of the sensational investigation into Osterhaus’ business affairs came in a tiny note in the respected British magazine, Science.

Osterhaus's credentials and expertise in his field were not in question. What is according to a short report published by the journal Science, are his links to corporate interests that stand to potentially profit from the swine flu pandemic. Science carried the following brief note in its October 16 2009 issue about Osterhaus:

" For the past 6 months, one could barely switch on the television in the Netherlands without seeing the face of famed virus hunter Albert Osterhaus talking about the swine flu pandemic. Or so it has seemed. Osterhaus, who runs an internationally renowned virus lab at Erasmus Medical Center, has been Mr. Flu. But last week, his reputation took a nosedive after it was alleged that he has been stoking pandemic fears to promote his own business interests in vaccine development. As Science went to press, the Dutch House of Representatives had even slated an emergency debate about the matter."

On November 3, 2009 it appeared that Osterhaus emerged with at least the damage somewhat under control. An updated Science blog noted, “The House of Representatives of the Netherlands today rejected a motion asking the government to sever all ties with virologist Albert Osterhaus of Erasmus Medical Center in Rotterdam, who had been accused of conflicts of interest in his role as a government adviser. But Dutch health minister Ab Klink, meanwhile, announced a "Sunshine Act" compelling scientists to disclose their financial ties to companies.”

The Minister, Ab Klink, reportedly a personal friend of Osterhaus, subsequently issued a statement on the ministry’s website, claiming that Osterhaus was but one of many scientific advisers to the ministry on vaccines for H1N1, and that the Ministry “knew” about the financial interests of Osterhaus. Nothing out of the ordinary, merely pursuit of science and public health so it seemed.

More careful investigation into the Osterhaus Affair suggests that the world-renowned Dutch Virologist may be at the very center of a multi-billion Euro pandemic fraud which has used human beings in effect as human guinea pigs with untested vaccines and in cases now emerging resulting in deaths or severe bodily paralysis or injury.

The ‘Bird # Hoax’

Albert Osterhaus is no small fish. He stands at the global nexus of every major virus panic of the past two decades from the mysterious SARS deaths in HongKong, where current WHO Director Margaret Chan got her start in her career as a local health official. According to his official bio at the European Commission, Osterhaus was engaged in April 2003, at the height of the panic over SARS (Severe Acquired Respiratory Syndrome) in Hong Kong. The EU report states, “he again showed his skill at moving fast to tackle a serious problem. Within three weeks he had proved that the disease was caused by a newly discovered coronavirus.

posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 01:22 AM
I'm sick of the media playing with my emotions. The swine flu is reminding me of West Nile and SARS.

Msm is making us more sick than the actual swine flu.

posted on Dec, 28 2009 @ 11:06 AM
First Case of Fearsome TB Strain Found in US

Doctors say Juarez's incessant hack was a sign of what they have both dreaded and expected for years: this country's first case of a contagious, aggressive, especially drug-resistant form of tuberculosis. The Associated Press learned of his case, which until now has not been made public, as part of a six-month look at the soaring global challenge of drug resistance.

It mentions that it's insanely rare, but thought I'd share.

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