Hello,

I have been plowing through these posts, and I find all these theories interesting, but what does any of it have to do with with the flu in the Ukraine?

Does anyone have information about that situation?

I think that is what this thread is about.

Not saying your many theory's are not interesting.

Just want some information.

Somebody else's opinion........................ Didn't the Swine Flu originate in Mexico?

Mizzou J School10:34 PM
The transfer of tuberculosis is common in boarder states with Mexico since tuberculosis is near epidemic proportions there. The Health Department here attempts to continue to treat immigrants but they don't come back regularly for continued treatment so a stronger strain of tuberculosis is created. I don't know about Swine Flu but the tuberculosis is a real and present danger. We need to vaccinate all our children at school for free. It doesn't matter what their origin.

You should combine your links into one post rather than spamming the forum in the future.

Both of those articles state that lots of people die from TB. Neither of them claim that the swine flu deaths are actually TB deaths.

Neither one is a medical journal, either.

I've already covered that TB is killing lots of people, so far more than swine flu but TB is not sweeping the entire World and will not go pandemic and wipe out 5 percent of the population like the swine flu has in the past.

Really, if that's your complaint, that more people died this year of TB I can make a long list of other things that killed people. That's really not the point and you're actually off topic.

Let's see the proof that TB is actually killing the swine flu victims, please.

Let's hope this epidemic doesn't explode when everyone gets on planes this holiday weekend.

Off topic....but have a Happy Thanksgiving everyone in the USA. And for those not in the USA....have a happy Thursday.

Gobble gobble.

Groups: Swine flu focus bad for other diseases
By BRADLEY S. KLAPPER and FRANK JORDANS Associated Press Writer
May 20th, 2009 | GENEVA


WHO spokesman Thomas Abraham said some issues had to be dropped when the agency's 193 member nations decided to shorten their annual meeting because their ministers were needed at home to prepare against a possible flu pandemic.

But he said the assembly was still taking on a "broad agenda" that went far beyond swine flu to deal with improving basic health care and tackling global killers like TB

Oct. 21, 2009
Swine Flu Cases Overestimated?
CBS News Exclusive: Study Of State Results Finds H1N1 Not As Prevalent As Feared
By Sharyl Attkisson

(CBS) If you've been diagnosed "probable" or "presumed" 2009 H1N1 or "swine flu" in recent months, you may be surprised to know this: odds are you didn’t have H1N1 flu.

In fact, you probably didn’t have flu at all. That's according to state-by-state test results obtained in a three-month-long CBS News investigation.

The ramifications of this finding are important. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and Britain's National Health Service, once you have H1N1 flu, you're immune from future outbreaks of the same virus. Those who think they've had H1N1 flu -- but haven't -- might mistakenly presume they're immune. As a result, they might skip taking a vaccine that could help them, and expose themselves to others with H1N1 flu under the mistaken belief they won't catch it. Parents might not keep sick children home from school, mistakenly believing they've already had H1N1 flu.

Why the uncertainty about who has and who hasn't had H1N1 flu?

In late July, the CDC abruptly advised states to stop testing for H1N1 flu, and stopped counting individual cases. The rationale given for the CDC guidance to forego testing and tracking individual cases was: why waste resources testing for H1N1 flu when the government has already confirmed there's an epidemic?

Some public health officials privately disagreed with the decision to stop testing and counting, telling CBS News that continued tracking of this new and possibly changing virus was important because H1N1 has a different epidemiology, affects younger people more than seasonal flu and has been shown to have a higher case fatality rate than other flu virus strains.

NIH Public Access
Author Manuscript
Popul Dev Rev. Author manuscript; available in PMC 2009 September 10.
Published in final edited form as:
Popul Dev Rev. 2000 ; 26(3): 565–581.


The 1918 Influenza Epidemic's Effects on Sex Differentials in Mortality in the United States

Andrew Noymer and Michel Garenne


This study presents a new finding from reexamination of published statistics on death: the 1918 influenza had a strong and fairly long-lasting effect on differential mortality by sex, diminishing the earlier female advantage. The mechanism we posit is a selection effect, whereby those with tuberculosis (TB) in 1918 were more likely than others to die of influenza.

From a biological perspective, the link between influenza and TB may include a third pathogen. Tuberculosis infection causes lung cavities to form, which become a breeding ground also for non-TB bacteria, including Staphylococcus aureus. This would have had the effect of priming
tuberculous individuals for S. aureus superinfection in the event of co-infection with influenza.

It is highly plausible that TB infection laid the ground for the massive secondary bacterial pneumonias that killed the victims of the flu in 1918.


(The authors acknowledge the support of the Rockefeller Foundation, grant number HS-9810. David Bloom, Leo
Goodman, Ulrich Mueller, Ndola Prata, George Rutherford, Ross Stolzenberg, and Kenneth Wachter provided useful
Comments)

Originally posted by calohan

Somebody else's opinion........................ Didn't the Swine Flu originate in Mexico?

Mizzou J School10:34 PM
The transfer of tuberculosis is common in boarder states with Mexico since tuberculosis is near epidemic proportions there. The Health Department here attempts to continue to treat immigrants but they don't come back regularly for continued treatment so a stronger strain of tuberculosis is created. I don't know about Swine Flu but the tuberculosis is a real and present danger. We need to vaccinate all our children at school for free. It doesn't matter what their origin.

Yes Mexico was the origin. Mexico has an oozing problem. Oozing people, drugs, and disease. Also a rabies mutation, which I contend prompted the government to use H8N5 against stray dogs (also oozing) near the flashpoint of H1N1. Human error could have easily released the wrong virus.

WHAT ARE THE RELATIVE CHANCES OF SWINE FLU BEING BEHIND PULMONARY HEMMORRHAGE?


Although it is in the differential, in a single word, REMOTE:



Oill PA, Roser SM, Galpin JE, et al: Infectious disease
emergencies-Part III: Patients presenting with respiratory
distress syndromes, In Infectious disease emergencies
-Teaching Conference, University of California, Los
Angeles, and Harbor General Hospital, Torrance (Specialty
Conference). West J Med 125:452-478, Dec

Pulmonary Hemorrhage

Massive hemoptysis is a frightening event for both patient and physician. Even the slightest amount of blood in the expectorated sputum is of great concern. Physicians in the emergency department,
however, usually do not get involved unless the amount of bleeding is significant. By definition, this has been categorized as hemoptysis
that produces more than 600 ml blood in 24 hours.

The cause is most commonly the breakdown of lung tissue secondary to a chronic infectious process, such as bronchiectasis, pulmonary tuberculosis or fungal disease, and lung abscess. Bronchogenic carcinoma can also be a cause of hemoptysis, but this usually does not cause a pulmonary hemorrhage, except occasionally terminally.


*Chief of Respiratory Therapy, Division of Respiratory Diseases,
Harbor General Hospital; Assistant Professor of Medicine,
UCLA School of Medicine.