Star, star, star. Excellent summation, Kailassa.

So TPTB had a little chat to Baxter...

I envisioned something along the very same lines happening; that someone in Baxter very, very high up (perhaps someone who sits on the board of directors) had a little talk to someone in Baxter that went something along the lines of this:

"Do this favor for me and release this virus along with your vaccine. Will it kill people?... oh, no...of course it won't kill people.... It's just a harmless little virus. We just want to "study" it out in the real world, that's all. It's just a little study.

And oh, by the way.... it will also probably boost your vaccine sales, too. And of course, you know that we'll continue to work with the WHO to boost even more vaccine sales..."


I don't think "Baxter" knew what they were really releasing. Or maybe just one or two people did. I do think that someone powerful got someone else on the inside of Baxter to manage to pull this off....to manipulate the whole process.... and then call it a "mistake" in the end.

I think the majority of people working at Baxter (like 97%) have good intentions and truly believe they are doing good in the world, and they are trying to do their best to help people. Unfortunately, it just takes a few rotten apples on the inside (high up, on the inside) to corrupt a company.



[edit on 24-11-2009 by nikiano]

I'm going off the Baxter witchhunt and going with the accidental release of H1N1 mistaken for H8N5 by the Mexican government to kill stray dogs because of the new viral mutation of rabies. March 2008 to December 2008. The dates match, the chemistry matches and the pandemic matches. Oh and the Mexican government matches the reports.

WHAT REALLY HAPPENED IN THE UKRAINE

Already and by March 12, 1999, the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies, in response to requests from the National Red Cross Societies of four countries, including and near to the Ukraine, had issued a warning over the up and coming explosion of tuberculosis there in the form of an appeal.

The Ukraine, for some time, has been an epicenter of TB.

The Ukraine Ministry of Health had taken several initiatives to address the increasing TB crisis in Ukraine. Pilot project areas have been identified in combination with WHO to test the newer methodologies of which improved laboratory training would be the cornerstone. One pilot DOTS style project, backed by the World Bank and the Canadian charity HOPE, was introduced in Odessa.

TB was already spreading rapidly in the region in the late 1990‘s. In Russia, over 111,000 cases of TB were reported in 1996 -- double the number of cases reported in 1991. Reported cases were at about the same level in Belarus, Moldova and Ukraine.
Officially, and in March of 2004, some 670,000 Ukrainians were infected with tuberculosis, but the International Red Cross estimated the real figure was, even at that time, three times higher.

WHO had already taken, In 1993, the unprecedented step of declaring tuberculosis to be a global emergency. In 1998, it estimated that by 2020 nearly one billion more people would be newly infected, 200 million would fall sick, and 70 million would die from TB if control measures were not strengthened. Such measures were never really implemented.
　
So recently when, recently, in KIEV — Eighty-six people have died in Ukraine from flu and respiratory infections, the health ministry said Wednesday, in an epidemic the World Health Organization said COULD be largely due to the A(H1N1) virus……….the emphasis should definitely be placed on the word “could“.
The ministry said that almost half a million cases of flu and acute respiratory infections had been recorded since mid-October in the country of 46 million, while 24,000 people have been hospitalized.

Some 148,000 cases have been recorded in the past 24 hours, it added.
The epidemic is concentrated in the west of the country which has borders with four European Union states but a growing number of cases are being reported in the capital Kiev.

Then we have this ridiculous statement, one of many, coming from WHO: "As the pandemic virus has rapidly become the dominant influenza strain worldwide, it can be assumed that most cases of influenza in Ukraine are caused by the H1N1 virus," the WHO said on Tuesday.

Lyudmila Mukharska, Ukraine's deputy chief health officer, claims that authorities had confirmed that five of the dead had died of the “H1N1 virus“.

At the same time she vehemently denied rumors that the west of the country was suffering from an outbreak of plague, saying that it was "H1N1 that is circulating in Ukraine".

The WHO has sent a team of nine experts to Ukraine to help the authorities with the situation.

While the country is suffering from an above-average infection rate, many independent observers have accused Ukraine's squabbling politicians of seeking to profit from the situation ahead of January 17 presidential elections.

Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko has personally overseen a delivery of anti-flu medicines in the middle of the night while pro-Western President Viktor Yushchenko even called on NATO for help.

"Many questions remain to be answered," admitted WHO.

But perhaps the greatest question of all is why they are ignoring that tuberculosis can also present as “the flu“.

Originally posted by jedi_hamster
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and people doing everything to spread false information, should be locked up at best.

For all we know it could be you and Eco spreading the false information.
Should we lock you up?

How many cases in the Ukraine, to date, have tested positive for swine flu? And how many people have died with no pathology test confirming the cause of death?
How many died from cytokine storm and how many died of slower, more normal causes?

The fact is, we don't have answers which prove TB is not the cause of many of the recent Ukraine deaths.
And you have the cheek to say people theorising about possibilities other than swine flu should be locked up.

Shame on you, coming to a discussion board like this and trying to silence discussion in such a manner.

it's DANGEROUS, can you understand that? you're playing with people's minds and their life my depend on this.

Can anyone else hear the barking of the sheep-dogs as they herd the sheep toward the immunisation pens?

Originally posted by Kailassa
The fact is, we don't have answers which prove TB is not the cause of many of the recent Ukraine deaths.

i see... and i have no answers which prove ostrich accidents are not the cause of many of the recent deaths worldwide. let's blame it on road runners!
do you see the failure of your logic?

Can anyone else hear the barking of the sheep-dogs as they herd the sheep toward the immunisation pens?

can you find a single quote where i've said that vaccines are good, or that i want to be vaccinated, or that people should be?
no.
why?
because i'm AGAINST the vaccines.

stop making up tons of fake theories out of the top of your heads, stop spreading false accusations and instead focus on the topic of this thread - real situation in ukraine, based on facts.

end of transmission.