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Originally posted by ecoparity
I can't find any indication that any vaccines have been shipped to Ukraine yet. It's only been a few days since the talk began of obtaining them and given the political situation there no one expected any real action to take place for at least another week if ever.
There was a story some of us here were discussing via U2U the first week of the Ukraine outbreak. A rural Dr there who runs a small clinic in one of the villages claimed he arrived to find every one dead or dying except the elderly.
It wasn't reported in the media but had come through a private mail server that only Doctors who are part of a certain Intl public health agency have access to. This isn't the kind of place that rumors float around in, it's purpose is to let these Doctors in different countries monitor new health situations so they can coordinate sending assistance.
Back in April someone at one of the top medical schools in the US told me that "when" (not "if") the swine flu finally shifted to it's most virulent form there would be "bodies in the streets and people will see this by looking out their windows".
I'm not buying the vaccine story, especially with all the other previous instances of that source making predictions and reports that have turned out to be "not true" -but- the description of what is claimed to be going on bothers me after the two incidents I've related.
It would be really nice to have some first hand, reliable information right now.
[edit on 19-11-2009 by ecoparity]
A Ukraine virus outbreak has been blamed on the swine flu. This strain of the flu has infected 1.4 million people. The death toll, according to the Ukraine Health Ministry, is at 315 people as of November 16, 2009. The World Bank Database gives the estimated population for the Ukraine as a little over 46 million. While the percentages do not appear high, the reported symptoms and contagion patterns of this flu are of concern to some doctors. The virus is being tested at the Medical Research Council laboratories, in Britain.
"We don't believe it's H1N1 swine flu. Neither do we know what kind of pneumonia it is,"states Ukrainian emergency physician Myron Borysevych. The Daily Mail states that doctors are likening this strain of the flu to the Spanish flu, which included internal hemorrhage and edema in the lungs.
Last week, the World Health Organization team working in the Ukraine stated that there would be a second wave of the epidemic. This prediction appears to be coming true. The Ukraine Health Ministry reports 16 new deaths in the past day alone.
Samples of the Ukraine flu virus were provided to a British lab, for testing to conclusively subtype the virus. Learning whether the virus is a mutated form of the H1N1 swine flu, or an entirely new type of flu virus, will help health officials and members of the public take necessary measures for protection from this deadly disease.
To save lives, nation still needs to learn many lessons from flu epidemic
Yesterday at 22:14 | Kateryna Grushenko Kateryna Grushenko writes that health-care officials should quit provincial thinking and start acting in the interests of Ukraine’s population.
The nation gave a sigh of relief when Ukrainian politicians – Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko and ex-Prime Minister Victor Yanukovich, among them - repeated the message from the World Health Organzation: The swine flu here is not a deadly mutant strain and the situation is not appreciably worse than in neighboring Russia and Poland.
Tensions will probably be eased as the news media find other topics to focus on. The three-week flu frenzy will come to an end, but, unfortunately, not the epidemic. The flu season is at its beginning and there will many more people sick and dead.
The last three weeks, however, were very important for the future of the nation. They revealed major failures, weaknesses and mistakes. There will be more of that to come as we confront the flu epidemic simultaneously with the economic crisis. But there are some fundamental conclusions that can be drawn already and, hopefully, lessons learned. Here are some of them:
The first lesson is to improve health care
True faces of politicians who wear masks
Importance of teaching how to combat disease
Adopt the best international approaches to health care
Results of ignorance are now obvious
There was also one remark after the conference that killed my confidence in Ukraine’s mental progress and international integration. After one of Ukraine’s medical officials delivered his successful speech, his assistant was approached and asked where they can find a copy of the speech. To which she answered very proudly: “You know, it’s intellectual property.” Information of national importance that should have been spread and publicized was treated as top secret or a commercial commodity. This is so wrong.
Ukraine is a young and developing democracy. But coming of age shouldn’t be an excuse. Teen-like vanity and provincial thinking of its healthcare officials has prevented the country from setting the right goals in the sector and achieving them. The recent flu epidemic gives them a good chance to learn from their mistakes and reverse the trend.
Originally posted by jedi_hamster
reply to post by Cloudsinthesky
there's a word for that. it's called coincidence.
as for thousands of people dead on the streets in ukraine... i suspect a hoax. they don't want people to go there and be able to come back and report. on the other hand, it can be truth... but the question is, to which degree? i've said here already recently that blaming vaccines for deaths may fit NWO/WHO agenda much better than letting people know it's the H1N1 that's many more people than reported.
[edit on 19-11-2009 by jedi_hamster]