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Number of victims to unknown virus growing! State of emergency to be imposed in Ukraine?

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posted on Nov, 18 2009 @ 04:36 PM
reply to post by really

Tell your sister to take Tamiflu immediately.

There's no way to know. I had virologists making some pretty dire predictions back in April but he might go home and work the Bauhaus collection on iTunes all night while staring at naked goth girls on the internet for all I know. He's not a close relation.

Dr Niman is the only virologist who has a good record on the predictions and I don't even see him making that one. I offered to send money and my entire porn collection in exchange for an early warning, we'll see how he responds.

That's some pretty dark friggin humor, I'd probably take the vaccine and I can't even get the damn thing and everyone else doesn't want it.

Man, that's classic stuff.

I have some Tamiflu here and I'm working the email for more. I go back and forth on the vaccine like a mental patient, yes/no/yes/no. It would be nice if it didn't have those "small" risks of GB syndrome and all that fun stuff.

All I know is I do not want to get this bug again. If indeed I'm not immune as I'm being told the first time was more than enough fun for me. Let someone else take that ride, I'm done.

posted on Nov, 18 2009 @ 04:42 PM
as far as ukraine and poland goes, i think it's all underreported. VERY VERY HEAVILY.

about that report on theflucase - i don't know anyone from that city.
but well... there are sprayings over my city. 11:36pm right now, just came back from very tiny trip to one small shop, to buy some ciggies. of course, woman working there had to cough. i guess it doesn't matter. i am coughing since weeks if i remember correctly, and sometimes my lungs feel weird. some heaviness, some pain in chest, but rare. maybe it's H1N1 - if yes, catched long time ago. whatever it is, it's it's in mild stage. just keeps being in that stage for quite a while without letting go. hell knows what is it, but visiting doctor is pointless anyway - i would get antibiotics probably, or nothing that i don't have already. screw it. just took vitamin C (4 times daily dose).

posted on Nov, 18 2009 @ 04:53 PM
You'll know if and when you get it. It runs you over like a truck. If you feel kind of "I don't know" then you're not infected or not actively infected yet.

See if you can get some Tamiflu and save it for when the truck arrives.

posted on Nov, 18 2009 @ 04:59 PM
Damn, Niman drank the Venti today...


Ukraine Dead Increase to 344 - Sequences Released
Recombinomics Commentary 19:17
November 17, 2009
1,502,345 Influenza/ARI

85,904 Hospitalized

344 Dead

The above tally is from the latest update from the Ukraine Ministry of health. The 344 dead represents an increase of 16 from yesterday's total, which is similar to recent daily increases. The steady climb in fatal cases highlights the importance of the release of sequences by Mill Hill a WHO regional center in London.

Included in the sequences from 10 isolates were four HA sequences with the receptor binding domain change, D225G, which was found in the one throat and three lung samples. The change was not found in isolates from nasopharyngeal washes, suggesting D225G may lead to high concentrations of H1N1 in patient's lungs. The high concentration of virus leads to a cytokine storm that destroys the lungs in a few days.

The finding of D225G in lung tissues raises concerns rergarding sequencing of isolates from nasopharyngeal swabs. The monitoring of this important genetic change in the receptor binding domain may require sampling of lung tissues or fluids.

The relationship between the negative nasopharyngeal washes and the lung samples would be useful.

Kudos to Mill Hill and WHO for the prompt release of the panel of H1N1 sequences from Ukraine patients.

Speed fueled commentary 3 for the day

posted on Nov, 18 2009 @ 05:05 PM
reply to post by ecoparity

it's extremely hard to get tamiflu here - government ordered it, but it has to arrive. and even when one finds it, it's kinda expensive, and my financial situation can't be described without using words that would be autocensored.

posted on Nov, 18 2009 @ 05:09 PM

Originally posted by ecoparity
You'll know if and when you get it. It runs you over like a truck. If you feel kind of "I don't know" then you're not infected or not actively infected yet.

See if you can get some Tamiflu and save it for when the truck arrives.

How do you know that the "truck" symptoms are alike in all people? Just curious.

posted on Nov, 18 2009 @ 05:45 PM
Good RT report. They actually talk about chemtrail theories and the exhuming of victims of the 1918 pandemic.

posted on Nov, 18 2009 @ 05:54 PM
reply to post by JJay55

Everyone I've talked to who had it described it the same way and when I had it that's how it felt. Sore like hell. All your muscles hurt and feel tired and you get the weird flu thing like a monkey on acid is climbing up and down your neck.

[edit on 18-11-2009 by ecoparity]

posted on Nov, 18 2009 @ 06:02 PM
Here's what someone else said to describe what the new update means:

It's like this. There have been a rash of robberies in the neighborhood. They are mostly annoyances and vandalism but sometimes valuables are stolen, and cars, and there have been some injuries. 5 men in purple ski masks have been spotted with crude but effective break-in tools. They are called Invaders. One day one of them is sent to jail after getting caught committing a crime in a different section of town. He spends a month in jail mixing with other criminals and gets break-in tips. There he learns how to pick deadbolts so his skills undergo an evolutionary change. He gets out and spreads the new info to his bandit gang.

Now in your neighborhood these Invaders are suddenly able to go INTO your home and trash it, upending everything looking for jewelry and electronics, stealing your valuables, leaving your spigots running and overflowing the plumbing as they tie you up and duct tape your mouth so you can't defend yourself.

Still the same Invaders, still the same type of crime, still the same purple ski masks and same neighborhood, but now they can get deeper into your house and steal more and threaten your life more. They are getting bolder because they have not been caught and stopped and so they are killing more ppl they find at home unawares and vulnerable.

The ability to pick a deadbolt is just one of their tools and skillsets but it is an especially grievous one. It allows their game to change. You are now rightfully frightened of these Invaders.

posted on Nov, 18 2009 @ 06:11 PM

The epidemic comes at a bad time for Ms. Tymoshenko for two reasons. Her government was caught completely unprepared for an epidemic – there is not one dose of vaccine in the country and little in the way of preventative measures. And, if not handled wisely before January's voting, the crisis could severely damage the stylish front-runner, known for her trademark braided hairpiece.

It should surprise few people that the medical emergency has caught the government off guard. The ministries charged with social services and the well-being of Ukrainians (Health and Family, Youth and Sports) have been weakened under successive governments through major budget cuts and sheer neglect. It's not uncommon to walk into either ministry during the winter and see staff shivering in their coats.

As late as mid-summer, little information was available to the public on how to protect against H1N1. The government ignored many warning signs, including World Health Organization pleas to stockpile drugs, face masks and other flu-fighting materials. When the outbreak hit, Ms. Tymoshenko flippantly advised her people to protect themselves by eating garlic and lemons.

It isn't only H1N1 that has put Ukrainians' lives at stake. The Health Ministry has no contingency plans to replace the nearly nine million doses of expired measles, mumps and rubella vaccine that must be destroyed in coming weeks and months – themselves a legacy from an ill-fated United Nations initiative that got caught up in a miasma of bureaucratic ineptitude, manipulation and attacks from a well-financed anti-vaccination movement.


The government deserves harsh condemnation from neighbouring and European governments for its almost contemptuous handling of public health emergencies. Few would disagree, for example, that Kiev has catastrophically fumbled its response to HIV and AIDS, which is growing faster in Ukraine and Russia than anywhere else outside Africa. According to UNAIDS, Ukraine has the most severe AIDS epidemic in Europe. If progress isn't stepped up soon, the adult prevalence rate could reach a staggering 3.5 per cent by 2014. Young Ukrainians disproportionately bear the brunt of the epidemic: More than 80 per cent of those living with HIV are under 30. According to one estimate, almost 20 per cent of all new cases are children born HIV-positive.

So severe is the AIDS epidemic in Ukraine – it has claimed at least 22,000 lives – that some multilateral institutions say it's contributing to the country's demographic decline. The population has plummeted by about six million since the early 1990s, and according to a new World Bank study, Ukraine has the highest “depopulation rate” for all of Europe. Adult male deaths are at levels comparable to countries with less than one-fifth its per capita GNP.

When NGOs or donors try to help Ukraine, their well-meaning interventions are often stymied by red tape, bureaucratic ineptitude or corruption. Aid destined for needy Ukrainians is routinely delayed, misappropriated or stolen. It's a sad commentary on a country that gained such an enormous reservoir of goodwill in the aftermath of the Orange Revolution. Some people have compared it to a failed state. As one colleague put it: “It's like watching a long, painful sunset.”


Seems like a article that speaks a little truth about the outbreak in Ukraine. I still feel that this is Ukraines Katrina agovernment who droped the ball and is trying to hide the fact that nobody was prepared or even thought of preparing for h1n1 even though they had warnings from all over the world. I believe South America should have been a warning to all countries to prepair and looking at this story about all there vaccines about to be thrown away due to expireing within weeks for measles, mumps and rubella not to mention there Aids becoming a epidemic this wont be the last health threat the country faces anytime soon.

posted on Nov, 18 2009 @ 06:13 PM
reply to post by JJay55

Yes it is like being hit by a truck in that that phase is so sudden you go from feeling a little ill to not even being able to stand up and the lung pain is intense. I had it back in may.

posted on Nov, 18 2009 @ 06:22 PM
reply to post by really

Hey everyone should read this other thread. It's about onions and their curative properties for flu, pneumonia, mostly lung related symptoms. Very anecdotal, but it was interesting and is at the very least a little back-up if you get sick. It made me make sure I have a bag of onions on hand.

posted on Nov, 18 2009 @ 07:49 PM
I started a new thread. I thought it would be interesting to continue to track this epidemic around the world, via first hand reports only.

If anyone is interested in contributing, here is the link:

posted on Nov, 18 2009 @ 07:58 PM
I agree much more reporting from outside Ukraine in last week or so,but its slowed.The report by the daily mail has mysteriously disappeared from their website I think because so many were posting some truths.I am registered there and post without problem usually.When I posted on this it didnt appear.
I tried again and it asked me to reset password....then said site was experiencing problems bla bla bla.I tried a further 6 times.
Equally I tried the same on another UK newspaper website and was met with same.
Kiev Post again offline- need I say more ????

posted on Nov, 18 2009 @ 09:17 PM
reply to post by martin3030

Be careful. They arrested several bloggers in Ukraine for spreading "disinfo" when they should be arresting the politicians and newspapers for that. Early on the claimed that someone was forging press releases from the ministry of health using their letterhead which is probably acting as their legal precedent.

I expect this type of thing will be seen in other countries as the outbreak widens.

Allegedly, Austria went after Jane BurgerBilder and pulled her medical reporting license yesterday. I haven't been able to find a press report on that but heard it from a local.

posted on Nov, 18 2009 @ 09:25 PM
Beware the fog of war has thickened, certain players will be making there moves shortly I think. Be careful who you put your faith in.
This is no accident or act of nature.

posted on Nov, 18 2009 @ 09:36 PM
possible other outbreak areas:




posted on Nov, 18 2009 @ 09:41 PM
one scenario would be pretty obvious... especially after taking a look at ukraine.

declaration of pandemic in each country affected, WHO taking power, keeping false reports to avoid panic, shutdown of blogs/arrests of bloggers... i wouldn't call the situation in ukraine martial law. i would call it 'one step from orwell'. they're spreading disinfo, while keeping people away from the truth and getting rid of troublemakers... if that will take place in other countries, with WHO getting into power... we'll be on the edge of one world government in very short time.

oh... and WHO CAN do forced vaccinations... when enough people will die. just to chip the remaining sheeple.

[edit on 18-11-2009 by jedi_hamster]

posted on Nov, 18 2009 @ 09:45 PM
reply to post by CommonSenseRules

there are at least 4 reported deaths in poland already.

posted on Nov, 18 2009 @ 09:54 PM

Originally posted by jedi_hamster
reply to post by CommonSenseRules

there are at least 4 reported deaths in poland already.

Try 29, that's what I'm being told and even that is a bit behind due to time differences.

Real death number in Ukraine is over one thousand.

It doesn't matter, they've hidden the real stats so well we may never get them. A photo journalists managed to take pictures of a govt official's laptop at a press meeting in Mexico back in May using his zoom lens. That's how we knew they were lying about the deaths and number infected.

Maybe we'll get lucky again but "they" know it happened and I'm sure will be more careful now. Anyone equipped to go take photos around the hospitals may come up with some interesting ones in the days to come.

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