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Number of victims to unknown virus growing! State of emergency to be imposed in Ukraine?

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posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 03:43 PM
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I am taqlking to my OH on skype now.She is asking me for updates.
Apparently the news now on TV in Ukraine is saying very little about the flu.
She said cshe is annoyed because they are concentrating on trivial news stories which no one wants to watch.She said everyone wants to be kept updated about the flu situation but has noticed its now being played right down.




posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 03:46 PM
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HHHMMM,, maybe because there have been dozens of individual reports of something being spayed at night?????

I don't know.....but that would be my first guess.......When there are no "real" answers isn't that what we do? Look for any type of information??

Taking individual stories or reports and attempting to build a clear picture....isn't that what we should be doing??

The official reports being released have been side stepping all the way down the merry yellow brick road since April....

But you should know that Eco with your background concerning what to believe in the media.......

Thats what this forum is for........take in all the information we can and sort it out..........

This whole Ukraine issue has not been solved.......all information is relevant at this point........

NO ONE and I MEAN NO ONE....can state what exactly is happening in the Ukraine.......

Until that day "WHEN" we do know..........All information is relevant and should be examined until validated "FALSE"........including fly overs......

All those who are running through this thread with blinkers-on.....must have an agenda!!



posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 03:50 PM
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Okay, I may be on board with the whole notion of watching a virus to make sure it does not mutate into something severe - I understand this.

What I don't understand is the panic. Is the flu in 2009 like shark attacks in 2007 or so?

I mean, our best estimates in the "scary" numbers in this thread are 300 dead and about a million infected, right? So we are talking about 1 fatality in over 3,000 cases in a country with allegedly substandard healthcare facilities.

Please tell me if I am missing something. Right now it just sounds like a bad flu with a localized pneumonia outbreak which has been contained.



posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 03:55 PM
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Emergency management practice normally contains calming and diffusing the public. This is important because PTS is dangerous. But again, you can't count on the government for much in an emergency, they are there to warn and clean up the mess afterward.
It is individual responsibility to protect yourself.
To protect yourself from terrorism attacks stock potassium iodide and other medications as well as first aid supplies.



posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 03:59 PM
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Originally posted by nydsdan
What I don't understand is the panic. Is the flu in 2009 like shark attacks in 2007

Are you asking if this is hype?
The intelligence agencies reported that the flu is being used for political posturing in Ukraine because of their upcoming election in January. However, the outbreak is producing numbers and symptoms that don't match hype.
As far as panic, I don't see anyone panicking. I see alot of people with morbid curiosity, this is a normal psychological condition. And I see some people concerned who live there. But no panic.
Of course the MSM reports things after-the-fact so it's wise to collect information if you wish to avoid that might be something more that hype.



posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 04:00 PM
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She has just given me something from a Ukranian news website;


I asked her to translate.

tsn.ua...
[21:51:06] : British scientists suspect a dangerous mutation of influenza virus in Ukraine British scientists who study the strain of swine influenza in the epidemic which began in Ukraine suspected that mutation of the virus was dangerous. Some symptoms, according to unnamed doctors like virus 'ispanky' that broke out in Europe after World War II. Then the virus died at least 20 million people. In favor of versions of a mutation of the virus, according to doctors, whose names and center, where they are not disclosed, says that the lung disease victims are black as coal. 'We had two victims and the autopsy revealed that their lungs black as coal. They look as if they burned. It's awful '- said one of the doctors in western Ukraine. In turn, the chief doctor of the Lviv Emergency Hospital Myron Borisevich identified diagnosed as viral pneumonia. 'We do not believe that this swine flu H1N1. But we do not know what kind of pneumonia ', - he said. Note that before the strong influence of a new strain of influenza in the lungs was found during experiments on animals. Researchers from Japan, checking the effect of new drugs from swine flu, confirmed that the disease is transmitted by airborne droplets and not always through direct contact. Furthermore, they concluded that A/H1N1 is stronger than usual flu affects the lungs. It worked well once the virus 'ispanky'. As scientists found it caused uncontrolled immune response, causing the immune cells attack the respiratory system organs. This reaction, as shown by experiments on animals, in a few days destroy their lungs and led to death. Recall that earlier group Chernivtsi doctors headed by the Chief of the Chernivtsi Regional Office for Legal Medicine, Professor Victor Ermakov concluded that 22 people who died in Bukovina during a flu epidemic, died from the virus distress syndrome, ie total destruction of the lungs. According to doctors, the disease arising from the mixing of normal strains and swine influenza, a new for Ukraine, so you need to urgently change its methods of treatment. Total in Ukraine during the flu epidemic of 299 people died of complications.

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[edit on 16-11-2009 by martin3030]



posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 04:01 PM
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Originally posted by McFlemish
As promised : the translation

I'm not trying to derail this thread, or troll, by posting outdated stuff. I just thought you would like the perspective from here in Europe. Not matter what you think of it.
I have friends in Ukraine too, and i find some of the theories posted here rather interesting. There's definately something creepy about this


McFlemish, thanks for the article. I appreciate you posting. Whether it's the same sort of information already posted here, you're right, I'm thankful to read the European perspective.
By the way, your English grammar is better than a lot of the native speakers on here.



posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 04:02 PM
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How to recognize disinformation on ATS:



7. Question motives. Twist or amplify any fact which could so taken to imply that the opponent operates out of a hidden personal agenda or other bias. This avoids discussing issues and forces the accuser on the defensive.



posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 04:02 PM
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Thanks for the compliment on the grammar. I'm afraid Catholic school priests teaching English do this to a person


It might be indeed a mexican flu combined with some other flu strain and a pneumonic side effect.

However Europe is so closed knit because of it's transport system nowadays, that this thing can spread rapidely. it's only cautious to keep an eye on it. it's foolish to create a scare.

Neither one will benefit your position as an EU or a national state. Ukraine is no exeption to this. However there is the fact of the elections and the winter coming, wich will result in gas disputes again.

If this is a true mutation from a combination of seasonal flu and some pulmonary virus, this is serious business. I seem to recall that the 1918 flu was also this kind of animal.

I agree on stocking up on medecin, as i live relatively loseby. However, what will stil work if this is really a mutation of some sort? H1n1 poison vaccine (that i will never take)? regular flu shot? Pulnomary infection vaccine? vitamines? antivirals?



[edit on 16-11-2009 by McFlemish]

[edit on 16-11-2009 by McFlemish]



posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 04:04 PM
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Originally posted by Cloudsinthesky
I informed Mr JJay55 that he is correct on the pictures he posted and that the technology of being able to spray either water (as it was designed) or something.

it's Miss JJay thank you. And I'll have to search back to see the replies. This thread is Hot Hot Hot.

I truly believe the Ukraine thing is a biological out of control at this point... we'll see in 21 days how many people are ailing. If this was a media ploy and indeed political posturing those people should be brought to justice. Unlikely that will happen.



posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 04:10 PM
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Originally posted by McFlemish
I agree on stocking up on medecin, as i live relatively loseby. However, what will stil work if this is really a mutation of some sort? H1n1 poison vaccine (that i will never take)? regular flu shot? Pulnomary infection vaccine? vitamines? antivirals?

Stocking up should include a 90 day supply of regular medications, tylenol, antivirals, antibiotics, pet meds, first aid supplies like bandaids, gauze, calamine, ointments, herbs, B complex, alcohol, hydrogen peroxide.
Nuclear and chemical precaution potassium iodide, N95 masks, a change of clothes, bleach.

I won't take vaccines either. I would have avoided the mumps/measles/rubella for my children if I knew I could.



posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 04:11 PM
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Originally posted by nydsdan
Okay, I may be on board with the whole notion of watching a virus to make sure it does not mutate into something severe - I understand this.

What I don't understand is the panic. Is the flu in 2009 like shark attacks in 2007 or so?

I mean, our best estimates in the "scary" numbers in this thread are 300 dead and about a million infected, right? So we are talking about 1 fatality in over 3,000 cases in a country with allegedly substandard healthcare facilities.

Please tell me if I am missing something. Right now it just sounds like a bad flu with a localized pneumonia outbreak which has been contained.


You are missing something. It is suspected that 6 to 7 thousand have died from this already.



posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 04:14 PM
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Originally posted by ecoparity
How to recognize disinformation on ATS:



7. Question motives. Twist or amplify any fact which could so taken to imply that the opponent operates out of a hidden personal agenda or other bias. This avoids discussing issues and forces the accuser on the defensive.


How to recognize boner killers on ATS:
8. Look for the really serious guy who has a hidden agenda. Doesn't engage with other members. Posts fact after fact in redundant proficiency. Gets defensives, stuck in denial.

Now back to the subject. ;-)
Also in emergency situations remember your pets. So many pets had to be left behind in Katrina. Make plans now. Contact neighbors and family and make sure they have emergency numbers to reach you and know where you will be and when. Have 2 home base locations in case you can't get home. Have a route planned to walk home.



posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 04:17 PM
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My apologies, but you are correct with the pictures in your post and the capabilities of that aircraft being able to spray water or other………….

The photo was not altered as one had suggested.......





posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 04:18 PM
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eco... with all the honesty, good will and open mind, i'm ASKING you... don't reject what you THINK is impossible.

baxter story was NOT fictionalized. baxter admitted on polish TV recently that they DID contaminate that vaccine with H5N1 'by accident'. and long time ago, when it happened, there was a lot of buzz in polish TV about homeless people dying from it (vaccine was tested on them, they were convinced it's for normal flu). those are FACTS. it doesn't matter now if Moshe story is real or not. baxter story IS. and since it is, hell knows what they're now up to.

same for sprayings. i never saw chemtrails in poland. now people are reporting those from many different cities, and i saw them myself 2 days ago and today, and i've heard the planes. low flying transport planes. and since i've been looking at the sky twice in few minutes, and chemtrail appeared right after i've heard one of those planes, it just can't be anything else. it was wide, it was low on the sky. the only jets flying here are flying very high and those are usually fighter jets. such chemtrail, if it would be in fact trace of the jet flying, would have to be caused by low flying 747. so low that i would have to be deaf to not notice it.

and about this virus being or not H1N1 - in my opinion it is H1N1. probably mutated (probably artificially mutated, and maybe combined with other strains), but still H1N1. ukraine is saying it's not H1N1. interesting, since they've closed the only laboratory able to do such testing, and in general tests are known to have rather big error margin, so the virus isn't always detected. that was the case currently in poland, we had NO death cases up to now. now, after chemtrails appeared, 3 persons are dead. in one case second test confirmed that it was H1N1, apparently first one wasn't sensitive enough. still, all 3 cases were caused by H1N1. they all died from pneumonia. so yeah, people in ukraine are right that government isn't telling them the truth. it's a mixture of mutated H1N1 with some other strains. still possible to detect, but since they're not doing tests any more...

also, don't underestimate the importance of chemtrails. men that died in poland were exactly from same cities that sprayings were reported in first. it just can't be the coincidence, we didn't have neither chemtrails nor deaths from H1N1, and now we have both, in exactly same places. denying it is like putting head in the sand and saying that noone is sick at all.



posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 04:23 PM
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TextStocking up should include a 90 day supply of regular medications, tylenol, antivirals, antibiotics, pet meds, first aid supplies like bandaids, gauze, calamine, ointments, herbs, B complex, alcohol, hydrogen peroxide.


Thanks for the info! I have most of those, except for the antivirals, tylenol, antibiotics and the iodine and NBC stuff. I know what you mean, used to be in the army. It's the classic NBC kit.

Most of Europe has a socialist healthcare system in which you can only get your hands on this type of goodies with a serious perscription from your doctor. However, our doctors are controlled by the health administration, so they just won't perscribe this to you unless you are dying, very rich, or a member of their family. Even the mexican vaccination has been limited to certain 'risk groups' here.

I have some herbs, and i'll keep up on the vitamine, and will review the parhamacy at home.

I'll definately keep far away from the H1N1 shot. I just don't trust unproven and unchecked medication. Never liked needles anyway

Thanks for the info!



posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 04:27 PM
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Eco keeps the sanity in this thread....quit bashing him. And the only "boner killer" I ever remember was an ugly redhead pimply faced girl with jarred tetth named Becki Jotter in Mrs Jacobs 11th grade histrory class...now she was a "boner killer"



posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 04:28 PM
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I think we should all take eco out and get him drunk and loosen him up a little.
Ok, I'm caught up on the thread. The plane is real, I didn't confirm that. I suppose it's the same instrument that used to seed clouds like China just did to bring snow to Bejing. What worries me is that Chavez is openly asking Cuba to supply planes to seed clouds to ease the drought in Venezuela. But the US is only 90 miles away... oopsie, sprayed Dade County with some Ukranian yellow fever... I remember the Bay of Pigs vividly.

Still looking for speculation of biologicals sprayed on Ukraine. If the government was duped then who were they in contact with in July to make this deal?



posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 04:29 PM
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Originally posted by lithographyman
reply to post by JJay55
Eco keeps the sanity in this thread....quit bashing him. And the only "boner killer" I ever remember was an ugly redhead pimply faced girl with jarred tetth named Becki Jotter in Mrs Jacobs 11th grade histrory class...now she was a "boner killer"


Heh. I like eco. This thread wouldn't be the longest thread in history without him. We need a little humor in here now and then...

Back to the subject... where's Mike?



posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 04:47 PM
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I'd never try to stop anyone from posting theories and conspiracies. I'm very strong on personal rights and I've been "shut down" before so I know how it feels.

At the same time, I think it's important to do the research and see if it matches with any proof at all.

I can't help the fact that almost every time I look into this subject I find bad information.

As some of you know I have my own conspiracy theory on this, I'm not claiming there is no conspiracy. It's opposite of the popular one and doesn't take the "all vaccines are evil" approach so I'm not making many friends.

I don't care. I won't accept half truths and lies just because they fit with my personal theory. That's how I feel conspiracy research should be done.

I've been wrong before, very wrong. I used to believe the popular theory but when I looked into something just once I found a lie. Then another and another.

That's always been an indication of a conspiracy in my prior investigations.
I'm a MUFON investigator for God's sake - at least give me some credit that I'm here out of strong belief and not to collect a big pharma paycheck (I'm independently wealthy thank God so don't bother offering, NWO)

There's a couple of people here who have personal issues with me they are bringing into ATS. I apologize for that, I'd prefer to stick to the topic.

Anyone who wants to debate theory please click the link in my sig....



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