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Number of victims to unknown virus growing! State of emergency to be imposed in Ukraine?

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posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 10:10 AM
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Originally posted by martin3030
Iran

There's that word again. And Saddam shared his biological weapons scientists with Iran. VX was part of their program.
just sayin.




posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 10:53 AM
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Ukraine health ministry says it has no need to publish lab confirmed cases of A/H1N1.
Seems extraordinary that they should say this.


www.kyivpost.com...



posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 11:05 AM
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Originally posted by martin3030
Ukraine health ministry says it has no need to publish lab confirmed cases of A/H1N1.
Seems extraordinary that they should say this.
www.kyivpost.com...

Could very well be that they don't know they've been hit with a biological weapon because of the timing. If they planned a H1N1 political posturing scheme and someone leaked this information there very well could be an outside biological introduced without them knowing about it. Since they are caught up in the scheme as scheduled they won't pursue anything else. Perfect opportunity. Further, if they exposed their scheme they would be blamed for the biological terrorism and genocide. hmmmmm.



posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 11:35 AM
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Originally posted by JJay55

Originally posted by martin3030
Ukraine health ministry says it has no need to publish lab confirmed cases of A/H1N1.
Seems extraordinary that they should say this.
www.kyivpost.com...

Could very well be that they don't know they've been hit with a biological weapon because of the timing. If they planned a H1N1 political posturing scheme and someone leaked this information there very well could be an outside biological introduced without them knowing about it. Since they are caught up in the scheme as scheduled they won't pursue anything else. Perfect opportunity. Further, if they exposed their scheme they would be blamed for the biological terrorism and genocide. hmmmmm.


Its difficult to make a real assumption,given the political bickering.
They are aware of outside interests...it was after all Ushenko who made appeals himself to the outside world,and neigbours.
I have been speaking to my OH over the weekend who lives in the central region,she tells me that there is a feeling that the authorities are not telling the truth,and its something Ukranians are used to.
I just saw a report that Russia are sending 200,000 packs of antivirals there and these arrive tomorrow.
Its the Russian equivelant to Tamiflu and has been used in Russia and China.
Western experts have questioned the safety of this antiviral.
Will be interesting to see if the people will be happy to take it,given the conflicting stories that Antivirals are not effective after people have already contracted it,and those other reports that say Antivirals are no good for the cases they have seen.
Its understandable why the people are so confused.



posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 11:36 AM
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Let me throw this on the table... why would they make a vaccine to be used against bioterrorism agents?

"Southwestern, called bavituximab, has shown promise as a new strategy to fight viral diseases, including potential bio-terrorism agents.
The researchers have shown that bavituximab can cure lethal virus infections in animal disease models.
In the study, it was found that groups of guinea pigs infected with a virus similar to Lassa fever virus successfully recovered from the fatal disease after being treated with bavituximab alone or in combination with a common anti-viral medication."
www.thaindian.com...

From wiki, this seems to match the symptoms… well except for the facial swelling… unless any eyewitnesses can confirm:
Clinically, Lassa fever infections are difficult to distinguish from other viral hemorrhagic fevers such as Ebola and Marburg.
After an incubation period of six to twenty-one days an acute illness with multiorgan involvement develops. Non-specific symptoms include fever, facial swelling, and muscle fatigue, as well as conjunctivitis and mucosal bleeding. 1/3 death rate.



posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 11:50 AM
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Credible resource JAMA...
"Weapons disseminating a number of HFVs could cause an outbreak of an undifferentiated febrile illness 2 to 21 days later, associated with clinical manifestations that could include rash, hemorrhagic diathesis, and shock. The mode of transmission and clinical course would vary depending on the specific pathogen. Diagnosis may be delayed given clinicians' unfamiliarity with these diseases, heterogeneous clinical presentation within an infected cohort, and lack of widely available diagnostic tests. Initiation of ribavirin therapy in the early phases of illness may be useful in treatment of some of these viruses, although extensive experience is lacking. There are no licensed vaccines to treat the diseases caused by HFVs.

The Working Group on Civilian Biodefense previously established a list of key features that characterize biological agents that pose particularly serious risks if used as biological weapons against civilian populations: (1) high morbidity and mortality; (2) potential for person-to-person transmission;
>>>>>(3) low infective dose and highly infectious by aerosol dissemination, with a commensurate ability to cause large outbreaks;



posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 12:03 PM
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Originally posted by martin3030
Its difficult to make a real assumption,given the political bickering.
They are aware of outside interests...it was after all Ushenko who made appeals himself to the outside world,and neigbours.

That's why I don't think it's Russia that would use a biological. Also it's too close to home.
What's the progress in Chechnya been lately? That gateway to Russia being closed might motivate someone to make another entry point but they would have to calculate how long until the land was sterile. And has there been a mass migration from the area in Ukraine in July and August?



posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 12:08 PM
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I don't know if anyone has posted this yet or not, but they are going to be talking about the Ukranian epidemic tonight on coast to coast:

Global Dangers

Author and researcher Steve Quayle will discuss the precarious world economic situation, Swine Flu, the global implications of the pneumonic plague in Ukraine, and the volcano Anak Krakatoa in Indonesia.

Link:

www.coasttocoastam.com


Also, I wanted to post this article in case anyone else has not yet.

(Sorry, I'm at work and cannot quote properly, or edit properly. If a mod could edit this so the headline shows up and the first few paragraphs are embedded correctly, I'd appreciate it. The computer here at work won't let me do it.)

uspolitics.tribe.net...

Armageddon Has Begun

A Tale of Two Stories: The European BioWar outbreak and the censoring of it by the mainstream news media.

UPDATE: Latest Ukraine Plague figures: 1,253,558 very ill; 65,615 hospitalized in serious to critical condition. These are Ukraine only figures. [estimated deaths are 11 percent of the hospitalizations - or around 6000 or so -ed]

The biggest story on the Planet today is the outbreak of a very serious Advanced Biological War virus in Europe. The second biggest story on the Planet is the suppression of this story for almost two weeks by the corporate owned mainstream news media.

There is a lot we know and a lot that we can only speculate on about what is unfolding in Central Europe. We know that in mid-October, less than a month ago, there was a growing number of cases of what many thought was Swine Flu (A/H1N1) in the western part of the Ukraine. We know that many hundreds if not thousands of people in western Ukraine witnessed low flying light airplanes aerosol spraying something over Ukrainian cities during the days of October 29, 2009 and October 31, 2009. We know that beginning the night of October 29th, massive numbers of people begin to get very sick. We know that the Ukraine government issued a statement denying that it was doing any aerial spraying to combat the growing disease or authorizing any spraying over Ukrainian cities. We know that by October 30th, the Ukrainian authorities closed all schools for three weeks and banded public gatherings.


We do NOT know what disease the people were/are coming down with. We do know that doctors are describing the disease as Pneumonic Plague, or as some type of hemorrhagic fever, or as hemorrhagic influenza, or as hemorrhagic pneumonia. We know that the illness, whatever it is, does not appear to be A/H1N1. We do not know if the disease is a recombination of A/H1N1 with other viruses or some totally different virus or if it is in fact a virus. We know that the World Health Organization (WHO) has had several days to sequence the genes of the disease but has failed to release this data.

We know that WHO has NOT called for the quarantining of the Ukraine or the shutdown of all global travel to/from the area of infection and that this is the same thing that they did when Mexican Swine Flu (A/H1N1) first broke out and that the failure to contain that virus early on ensured its spread throughout the world.

We know that the internal temperature of the lungs of those with a terminal case of what many are calling ‘Ukrainian Plague’ is often from 130F to 135F. We do know that autopsies show that the lungs are filled with blood, and are black in color, and that the lung tissue has turned to mush. We know that patients who first show any signs of illness usually crash in less than 48 hours, sometimes the same day.

We know that the disease was spreading by about 200,000 per day but that this has slowed to about 100,000 day now, in the Ukraine, as people take extraordinary steps to contain the spread of the disease. We know that well over one and a third million people in the Ukraine are very ill with the disease (according to published official sources) and that over 60,000 are hospitalized in serious to critical condition. We know that the disease has a very high transmission rate with a likely low amount of viral (if it is in fact a virus) material needed to cause an infection. We know that the official reports of deaths are under 300 in the Ukraine. We also know that it is normal for hospital admissions of people with ARI (acute respiratory infection) to have a fatality rate of from 5% to 10%. We know that non-official sources were reporting over 3,000 deaths several days ago and that this number is more in tune with the 5-10% fatality rate than the official figures.

We do not know what effective treatments are for this illness. We do know that young adults seem to be more in danger of this illness. We suspect that ‘cytokine storming’ similar to that in the 1918 Spanish Flu, that killed approximately 50 million people, is taking place.

We know from official Ukrainian Health Ministry reports that the illness does not test out as Mexican Swine Flu (A/H1N1). We do not know if the existing Swine Flu vaccine has any effect, but based on the non-positive response to Swine Flu in testing, we suspect that the vaccine is ineffective as the viral protean shell is different than A/H1N1 (if in fact it is a virus that causes the illness).

We know that the illness has spread to Poland, where over one quarter of a million people are now very ill. We know that it has spread to Belarus and to Hungary and elsewhere in central Europe. We know that 900,000 people are said to have Swine Flu in Norway but we do not know if this is related to Ukraine Plague in any way.

We know that on November 8th a South African site (fto.co.za) carried the following:

“Suspicious aircraft were forced to land. A US operated (Russian-made long-range heavy transport) AN-124 changed its call sign from civilian to military which then triggered a response from the IAF (Indian Air Force) upon entering Pakistani air space (forcing) the plane to land in Mumbai while (a) second one was forced down by Nigerian fighter jets that also arrested the crew.”

“According to reports, China’s People’s Liberation Army Air Force contacted the Indian and Nigerian intelligence officials about the presence of these US operated Ukrainian aircraft amidst growing concern that the United States was spreading ‘biological agents’ in the Earth’s atmosphere, which some Chinese officials believed to be an attempt to (commit) mass genocide via the spread of H1N1 swine flu.”

These aircraft “were carrying ‘waste disposal’ systems that could spray up to 45,000kg (nearly 100,000 pounds) of aerial type mist from sophisticated….nano pipes” in the planes’ wings – called chemtrails.

We know that Baxter International Pharmaceuticals sent 72 kilos of human influenza H3N2 vaccine materials to 16 labs in European nations which contained live H5N1 Bird Flu viruses. We know that this was only discovered when a Czech lab tested the material on several ferrets (ferrets have a similar respiratory system to humans) and all of the ferrets died in short order. We know that Baxter claimed that this was human error. We also know that such a ‘human error’ is basically impossible with the containment protocols in place at Baxter and any other modern biolabs using Biosafety Level 3 (BLS-3) lab technology.

We know that in mid-August a Joseph Moshe, who is a Mossad biological warfare expert, called in to Dr. A. True Ott’s national radio talk show and reported that Baxter was getting ready to release a deadly plague from its Ukrainian lab and that he was shortly meeting with US Attorneys in Los Angles to give evidence about this. We know that shortly thereafter Moshe was apprehended by Federal agents and LA police and taken to the Israeli Consulate. We know that he was quickly flown to Israel and that no further word has come from him.

We know that over the last three or so years a large number of biological experts, from a number of places all over the world, have died strange deaths and that this has been commented on by various publications in the past.

We know that the sudden appearance of Mexican Swine Flu (A/H1N1) virtually had to have been a release from a biological warfare lab. We know that A/H1N1 has gene sequences from three different types (American, Asian, and African) of Swine Flu, of Bird Flu, of two different types of human seasonal flu, and of Spanish Flu and that such a recombination is so unlikely in nature as to be virtually impossible. We know that the WHO policies of not requiring a major quarantine of Mexico ensured that A/H1N1 would spread throughout the world.

We know that the current Swine Flu “Vaccine” is almost totally untested, and that the manufactures are protected from lawsuits for even deliberate acts that result in deaths and that nations acquiring the vaccines are required to sign contracts agreeing not to release negative information on the “vaccine” to the public. We know that published additives to the “vaccine” include highly dangerous-to-human-health substances.

We know that the corporate owned mainstream news media (with strong links to global banking families) have censored this story in a way that has never happen before. We know that the outbreak of a unknown but deadly and very rapidly spreading disease in Europe is the largest story on Earth but that it is NOT being reported on.

more info at www.labvirus.com




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posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 12:16 PM
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B.C Hospitals Overflowing With H1N1 Patients
"Several B.C. hospitals are over capacity with hundreds of Swine Flu patients, a spokeswoman for the ministry of health confirms. 42 people are on ventilators because they can't breath on their own. Four major hospitals are overflowing."

This just posted yesterday (November 15). Could this be a similar outbreak to that in Ukraine, but this time in the Americas? 42 people seems like an awful lot to not be able to breathe on their own suddenly.



posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by nikiano

We know that on November 8th a South African site (fto.co.za) carried the following:
“Suspicious aircraft were forced to land. A US operated (Russian-made long-range heavy transport) AN-124 changed its call sign from civilian to military which then triggered a response from the IAF (Indian Air Force) upon entering Pakistani air space (forcing) the plane to land in Mumbai while (a) second one was forced down by Nigerian fighter jets that also arrested the crew.”

“According to reports, China’s People’s Liberation Army Air Force contacted the Indian and Nigerian intelligence officials about the presence of these US operated Ukrainian aircraft amidst growing concern that the United States was spreading ‘biological agents’ in the Earth’s atmosphere, which some Chinese officials believed to be an attempt to (commit) mass genocide via the spread of H1N1 swine flu.”

US operated????? Could they have been contracted to make it look like the US is responsible?



posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 12:49 PM
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Here's a photo of the plane
fto.co.za...

Not so sure about the source but the picture of the plane is interesting.

edit: Add this to the mix:
"CARACAS, Nov 15 (Reuters) - Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez says he will join a team of Cuban scientists on flights to "bomb clouds" to create rain amid a severe drought that has aroused public anger due to water and electricity rationing."

WTF??????

[edit on 16-11-2009 by JJay55]



posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 12:57 PM
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reply to post by nikiano
 
A star for your last post. I would rather read something interesting than listen to arguments!




posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 01:00 PM
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reply to post by JJay55
 
Thank you for posting the plane photo. I would like to see some #s from the tail, or the source of the photo. I wonder what kind of alternative uses we will hear for that piece of equipment? Oh, we put fires out with that sprayer....



posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 01:48 PM
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That is a refueling boom on a tanker with something photo-shopped onto it.
Even the "article" posted doesn't claim that is a photo of "the plane".



posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 01:57 PM
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Originally posted by ecoparity
reply to post by butcherguy
 


That is a refueling boom on a tanker with something photo-shopped onto it.
Even the "article" posted doesn't claim that is a photo of "the plane".
So who is the dastardly scum that photoshopped it? How can we get to the bottom of the photoshop story?



posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 02:03 PM
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I don't believe in the chemtrail stories, mainly because I grew up flying airplanes and know better than to believe it can work the way it's claimed but the only credible fictions I've read are that it's a fuel additive that somehow survives combustion in a jet engine or that special plumbing is run to the wings.

A retro fitted tanker with the dispersion coming out of the boom is the best one I've seen to date as far as being technically possible.

The "sprayer" would not look like that though.

At 500 mph that lawn sprinkler head they p-shopped on would tear off the boom and go flying. A "real" dispersion device would look like a big needle.

They wouldn't spray bio weapons out of a jet though, the light airplane story at least sounded halfway credible. I guess if you wanted to spray Poland you'd fly a jet over Ukraine when the winds were headed the right direction.

[edit on 16-11-2009 by ecoparity]



posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 02:07 PM
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Originally posted by ecoparity
reply to post by butcherguy
 


That is a refueling boom on a tanker with something photo-shopped onto it.
Even the "article" posted doesn't claim that is a photo of "the plane".


You're right, the shadows on the sprinkler part don't match with that of the plane.



posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 02:14 PM
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JJay55 you were correct in your post.......dont let those here and we all know who let their deception and lies mislead this thread.......

The image you show is actually a spraying device, but quite innocuous. It’s on an NKC-135A (55-3128) with the refueling boom modified to spray water. This used by the air force to test icing of planes in flight.

Anyone who claims to be a pilot would have known this???



Original Photo





THE AIR FORCE FLIGHT TEST CENTER ARTIFICIAL I C I N G AND RAIN TESTING CAPABILITY

ABSTRACT
The A i r Force F l i g h t Test Center has the
c h a r t e r to conduct All-Weather t e s t i n g on A i r
Force weapon systems. This includes t e s t i n g i n
airborne icing conditions and i n r a i n . To d a t e , a
high speed (180-300 knots) NKC-135 modified f o r
a r t i f i c i a l i c e l r s i n t e s t i n g has been used. This
system is c u r r e n t l y being upgraded to provide a
more r e l i a b l e , t e c h n i c a l l y adequate cloud simul
a t i o n . The P a l l e t i z e d Airborne Water Spray
System (PAWSS), u t i l i z i n g a C-130 cargo a i r c r a f t ,
w i l l compl.ement the NKC-135 with a speed range of
100-180 knots
The PAWSS is self-contained and is b u i l t on a
cargc p a l l e t and rcquires no modifications to its
c a r r i e r a i r c r a f t ,

General Info
In 1971, the A i r Force F l i g h t Test Center,
1,ocated at Edwards AFB, CA, acquired the A i r Force
c h a r t e r f o r All-Neather t e s t i n g from Wriglit-
Patterson AFB, OH. All-Weather t e s t i n g includes
a r t i f i c i a l i n f l i g h t i c e and r a i n t e s t i n g . This
t e s t i n g is necessary t o assure t h a t A i r Force
weapon systems have the c a p a b i l i t y to operate to
design s p e c i f i c a t i o n s (MIL-STD-210B, Climatic
Extremes f o r M i l i t a r y Equipment, and MIL-STD-HlOC, -.- Environmental Test Methods) i n icing and r a i n
environmental conditions.


Source

I could not post the PDF file showing a picture in the above description of the nozzel, but its the same in the photo



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posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 02:21 PM
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Originally posted by nikiano




UPDATE: Latest Ukraine Plague figures: 1,253,558 very ill; 65,615 hospitalized in serious to critical condition. These are Ukraine only figures. [estimated deaths are 11 percent of the hospitalizations - or around 6000 or so -ed]

The biggest story on the Planet today is the outbreak of a very serious Advanced Biological War virus in Europe. The second biggest story on the Planet is the suppression of this story for almost two weeks by the corporate owned mainstream news media.

There is a lot we know and a lot that we can only speculate on about what is unfolding in Central Europe. We know that in mid-October, less than a month ago, there was a growing number of cases of what many thought was Swine Flu (A/H1N1) in the western part of the Ukraine. We know that many hundreds if not thousands of people in western Ukraine witnessed low flying light airplanes aerosol spraying something over Ukrainian cities during the days of October 29, 2009 and October 31, 2009. We know that beginning the night of October 29th, massive numbers of people begin to get very sick. We know that the Ukraine government issued a statement denying that it was doing any aerial spraying to combat the growing disease or authorizing any spraying over Ukrainian cities. We know that by October 30th, the Ukrainian authorities closed all schools for three weeks and banded public gatherings.


We do NOT know what disease the people were/are coming down with. We do know that doctors are describing the disease as Pneumonic Plague, or as some type of hemorrhagic fever, or as hemorrhagic influenza, or as hemorrhagic pneumonia. We know that the illness, whatever it is, does not appear to be A/H1N1. We do not know if the disease is a recombination of A/H1N1 with other viruses or some totally different virus or if it is in fact a virus. We know that the World Health Organization (WHO) has had several days to sequence the genes of the disease but has failed to release this data.




So.. This article admits that they pulled the figure of 6000 deaths out of their asses.

Then they claim that this could not possibly be H1N1, with no further explanation. They claim if it was H1N1, it would need a recombination, without any analysis.

They fail to mention that 1918 pandemic was also a strain of H1N1 (and not even a recombination of the virus, just slightly different in a few areas), and that these symptoms do fit perfectly with H1N1. They fail to mention that documented cases of H1N1 in Mexico and USA also have melted lungs. They fail to mention H1N1 *does* actually fit all the symptoms, especially it was a more virulent form (which doesn't necessarily require a recombination).

I'm not arguing that there's not a cover-up going on. But Ukraine changed their stance on claiming this was swine flu a while ago, trying to cover it up as normal flu. People there had never even heard of H1N1 practically before this epidemic hit. They are trying to stop panic at this point by claiming its seasonal flu.

W.H.O. has played part in the cover-up, yet claiming its H1N1, but covering up for a mutation (which could have been man-made and planted).

[edit on 16-11-2009 by seattletruth]



posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 02:21 PM
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Not sure if this update from RSOE has been posted but I'm presuming it hasn't as this last page doesn't mention it.


Situation Update No. 39 On 16.11.2009 at 04:22 GMT+2

Ukrainian News Agency "Fraza" reported that, according to informed sources, "it has been confirmed 100 % Pneumonic Plague in Ukraine". The Agency asserts that "the head physician of the medical institutions has sent out an informal disposal - not to sow panic, to refute the information about the plague, and to speak only of swine influenza".

It is also required to distribute masks at health facilities with 8 levels of protection and anti-plague protection costumes. There is also an informal order not to allow any visitors to see the patients.

According to the "Fraza" agency, "today in Ukraine pneumonic plague is going in parallel with swine flu. The plague has killed over 60 people, and about 14 from the flu. Meanwhile, the press service of the Ministry of Health of Ukraine reported that there is only one death from "California" virus A/N1N1 in Ukraine. "In Ukraine there are 22 cases recorded of the virus A/N1N1 disease and there is only one fatal consequence as a result. All other cases of death from influenza has only a speculative attitude to "California" virus," press service reports.

The situation with the epidemic of influenza is a complex and unpredictable because of the propensity of influenza A/H1N1 virus to mutation, said First Deputy Minister of Health Mr. Lazoryshynets on Monday, November 2.


The update continues with more information RSOE EDIS

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