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Number of victims to unknown virus growing! State of emergency to be imposed in Ukraine?

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posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 07:37 AM

Originally posted by Vitchilo
Yeah, so many coincidences... just like 9/11...

And you forgot one...and one big. A LOT of people predicted this one a few months beforehand because of all the ``coincidences`` happening...

And then, BOOM! ``Pandemic`` + GRAB OF POWER + UN saving us all + pushing of the vaccine + this whole used as a cover up for everything else going on, especially the bankers pulling the biggest scam in history.

Yeah...all a coincidence...

Yeah, I believe the powerplay. But is it limited to Ukraine and about the upcoming election?

posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 08:09 AM
Youtube video: Doctor changes his mind on vaccine:

posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 08:42 AM
reply to post by EDteach

Yeah, that's a pretty powerful video. Who'd of thought of reading the insert to the vaccine?

What's that ? Sterilization? Affect the reproductive cycle?
Bottom line, highly toxic, may not work, not fully tested.

posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 08:50 AM

Originally posted by squiz
reply to post by EDteach

Yeah, that's a pretty powerful video. Who'd of thought of reading the insert to the vaccine?

What's that ? Sterilization? Affect the reproductive cycle?
Bottom line, highly toxic, may not work, not fully tested.

I got the swine flu shot in 1976 and I'm fine. Well except for my insatiable thirst for the blood of newborn babies... and goat milk.

The side effects for most prescriptions cover as much as possible to avoid lawsuit. But yeah, drugs suck. They took all the good drugs off the market because people were abusing them. Now what's left is an industry making billions.

What really sucks is that we don't have access to self medicate. Regulation has made it impossible for people to have access to Gods green earth and her abundance. I have St Johns Wort in the garden. But even the demand for garlic in the Ukraine has caused a run on the market.

Lessons learned. Independence is the way to go. Dependence on the government isn't going to provide for our wishes all the time.

posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 09:24 AM
reply to post by mopusvindictus

No, its not interesting. It is diabolical. Who's side are you on?

I personally have no argument with the notion that there may be too many people on this earth; however, I would never even remotely associate myself with those who would resort to draconian measures to achieve a population reduction. Surely there has to be some other way.

Then again, I don't think the PTB give a rats @ss about people outside their own circles.

posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 10:05 AM

Originally posted by squiz
reply to post by EDteach

Yeah, that's a pretty powerful video. Who'd of thought of reading the insert to the vaccine?

What's that ? Sterilization? Affect the reproductive cycle?
Bottom line, highly toxic, may not work, not fully tested.

The vaccines were tested just like every other vaccine.

The Dr in the video acts like he's never read a product insert before, they all list lot's of scary possible side effects. If that's an issue you should probably avoid all medicine completely.

I noticed the Dr sells pentosan sulfate on his website for the treatment of arthritis. Besides being a prion the product insert for pentosan sulfate lists some pretty horrendous side effects.

rectal bleeding, tumors and it hasn't been tested for reproductive effects.

What? The Dr is selling prions that haven't been fully tested???

How long has the good Dr been giving people vaccines without reading the product inserts?

He also claims Fluvirin has sqaulene in it according to the product insert. Please go to and check the product insert for yourself. They haven't used it in the US yet. Why is he lying about that?

It's not that hard to do some rudimentary checking on people who appear in these videos. I personally like to see if they have any reason for bias, like financial reasons because of products they sell....

posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 10:35 AM
Don't know if this update's been posted yet

complete story at link

But the organization said on November 12 that as medical workers have gained experience with swine flu, they have learned that waiting for lab tests can be a fatal delay. "People in at-risk groups need to be treated with antivirals as soon as possible when they have flu symptoms," Dr. Nikki Shindo, a medical officer with the WHO’s global influenza program, told reporters in Geneva. "This includes pregnant women, children under 2 years old, and people with underlying conditions such as respiratory problems.” She said that people who are not in high-risk groups can wait a little longer. “People who are not from at-risk groups but who have persistent or rapidly worsening symptoms should also be treated with antivirals," she said. "These symptoms include difficulty breathing and a high fever that last beyond three days.” But Shindo said the vast majority of patients who contract swine flu will not have symptoms lasting long enough to require antivirals. "I want to stress that people who are not from the at-risk group and have only a typical cold need not take antivirals," Shindo said. "We are not recommending taking antivirals if otherwise healthy people are experiencing only mild illness, or as a preventive in healthy people." Rapid Deterioration The change in the WHO’s guidelines comes as doctors in pandemic areas find that the H1N1 virus can cause a very rapid deterioration of health in some patients, usually on the fifth or sixth day following the onset of symptoms. The deterioration is characterized by primary viral pneumonia, which destroys the lung tissue and does not respond to antibiotics. Even when such patients are placed under intensive care in hospitals, it can be too late to prevent death.

Teachers shocked: Half of schoolchildren absent from schools 74 9:57, — society Minsk schools stay half empty after two-week quarantine. As “Nasha Niva” newspaper reminds, school holidays started on October 25, children were to return to school on November 2. On October 31, the Ministry of Health imposed quarantine in Minsk schools, so the holidays were extended till November 6. It was caused by the increased number of respiratory virus infection cases in Minsk, which “became apparent since November 2”, the city sanitary service reported. The quarantine period was extended from November 6 to 11. On Wednesday morning, Minsk epidemiologists recommended the city executive committee that holidays should be prolonged. The city center of hygiene and epidemiology prepared motivation of extension of holidays for some days. Specialists say prolonged holidays till November 11 allowed preventing 15,000 ARVI and flu cases among schoolchildren. The number of ARVI and flu cases among adults has grown 2.5 times for the recent period while the flu rate remains the same. The ideologists decided that longer holidays would unsettle the schoolchildren. Moreover, the chief sanitary officer of Belarus states the epidemic peak has been overcome. However, classrooms stay half empty on November 12 after the two-week quarantine. Many children are still ill and those, whose parents are very careful, stay at home.

[edit on 14-11-2009 by apacheman]

posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 10:38 AM
[edit on 14-11-2009 by Cloudsinthesky]

posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 11:15 AM

Its perfectly rational to understand why parents should be keeping their kids away from School in Belarus,when there is so much uncertainty.
Teachers should not be shocked,its a foregone conclusion.

posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 11:21 AM
Well it would be very interesting if indeed H2N2 was circulating, it's not supposed to be around and it's a real killer. I have no idea how they could possibly know though. So it may just be hearsay.

BUT a few years ago the WHO sent out samples of H2N2 to several countries by "accident" of course.

They tried to recover them, but SOME WENT MISSING.
Had to edit to add that they were apparently recovered, the scale of this one is even larger than the Baxter scandal. The deadly virus was shipped all over the world.

Hey it's still a conspiracy site right?

And lighten up Eco the right to poison is an individual one.

[edit on 14-11-2009 by squiz]

posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 12:41 PM

Was it not CAP and not the WHO who sent out the samples by mistake ?

[edit on 14-11-2009 by martin3030]

posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 01:01 PM
Looks like it made the mainstream " New York Times " article from Nov. 13th 2009

Fragile Care Worsened Swine Flu in Ukraine Sign in to Recommend

Published: November 13, 2009
LVIV, Ukraine — When patients began arriving in Vyacheslav Bonder’s intensive care unit two weeks ago, their lungs so saturated with blood that they could barely gasp, the only thing he could compare it to was a field hospital in wartime. As soon as he hooked one patient up to a ventilator, a second and third would appear in the doorway.

James Hill for "The New York Times"
Some people wore protective masks in the Ukrainian city of Lviv even after concern over swine flu began to subside.

W.H.O. Rushes Drugs to Nations Hit by Swine Flu (November 13, 2009)
Times Topics: Swine Flu (H1N1 Virus)
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Alexander Prokopenko/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images
Ukraine's prime minister, Yulia V. Tymoshenko, talked to a mother and her child during a visit to a hospital in Chernivtsi on Nov. 5 amid an outbreak of swine flu.

James Hill for The New York Times
Doctors and nurses at the Regional Pulmonary Center in Lviv, Ukraine, tended to swine flu patients in the intensive care unit.
By that time, hospitals were clearing wards to make room for a wave of pneumonia cases, and people were crowding into drugstores to buy whatever they could get their hands on. Rumors were circulating that the government had ordered the city aerially sprayed with chemicals, to cure Lviv (pronounced luh-VEEVE) of disease or, in a grimmer version, to exterminate its carriers.

The panic lifted almost as quickly as it had arrived, and the World Health Organization announced Friday that the swine flu illnesses and deaths so far in Ukraine — 265 fatalities nationwide, with 87 in the Lviv region — were statistically no worse than those in other countries. But what happened here has drawn rapt attention from experts bracing for the epidemic to hit Europe, and especially the fragile health care systems of countries of the former Soviet Union.

posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 01:29 PM
reply to post by nikiano

I thank you for your post you are absolutely right in what you say because as many have pointed out and I believe is a female called ecoparity, but after revelations of good solid evidence she or he still denies even in front of evidence. what p===== me off is that these pharacuetical b--------- and evil money grubers kill innocent people with this type of agenda along with misleading people, women, and innocent children. I cannot post what I think re[[all this but i am sure you can understand; I totally believe she works for one of the agendas too. many questions asked. too much total denial and also not very educated on the subject matter!!

posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 01:39 PM
reply to post by ecoparity

how many questions have YOU answered re; your work and why you defend this deadly cocktail called swine flu vaccine? not to mentioned the one and only dr. niman?

posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 01:52 PM
reply to post by ecoparity

eco, have you taken the swine flu vaccine? and are you going to have your 3 yr. old also vaccinated?

posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 02:55 PM
reply to post by wayno

I can't remain anymore emotionally attached to this than I could watching a Tsunami come at me...

There is observation and survival

Anything else is inaction and a waste of time, there is nothing I can do about it so I observe and I speculate and I think and plan if need be.

But "who's side am I on?"

My own of course, opposing them will get me and mine killed, not paying attention would also perhaps get me killed.

My outlook on all Doomsday scenarios is always the same... survival, it will be a nice world again for along time when the madness is over, worth living through given the results.

I can't see this as anything more than.... for example a Comet heading at the Earth, if I take time to grieve I have no chance and there is no individual to look for to blame... It's like weather, this is the results of Millions of doctors and scientists work over time having accumulated, reaction perhaps by some to genuine conflict between Billions of people of varying cultures... If this is a "Plan" to depopulate because we will not survive the other way what can I do, either direction there is a disaster...

So do i side with those who choose to kill in order to survive and prosper to a better day...


But there is also if those events aren't theory but rather real absolutely no place to begin to stop the process and even if I could what is the solution for the scenarios they fear if they would go this far?

I am removed from it, my concerns have to revolve around my survival through events, that is my only interest in attempting to predict or decipher these things, my continuation, I am but one of 6 Billion Human organisms, helpless to do anything beyond survive.

You either fight a wave and drown or you attempt to surf it...I simply choose the later, I can not stop a wave.

posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 03:22 PM
An article posted earlier has been updated today. It looks like they are starting to make progress on those WHO samples . . .

Doctors learned why Ukrainians dying! (updated at 06:25 pm)

All victims of the virus in Bukovyna (22 people at the age of 20-40) died not from bilateral pneumonia, as was previously thought, but as a result of viral distress syndrome, i.e the total destruction of the lungs.

At first the cardio-pulmonary insufficiency comes, and consequently cardiogenic shock is developed, which causes cardiac standstill and death, told the chief of bureau of the Chernivtsi regional forensic examination, doctor of science, Professor Viktor Bachynsky, UNIAN reports.

"During a bilateral pneumonia some morphological picture is observed. As of data of deaths, there is no such morphological picture. The virus, which causes death, is very aggressive, it does not strike the trachea, but immediately gets into the lungs and causes heavy swelling and solid hemorrhage. Mixed types of parainfluenza and influenza A/N1N1 lead to this state. This is a very toxic strain, which has not yet answered to the treatment of the Ministry of Health", - said Viktor Bachinsky.

According to him, there is a need to change the treatment standards, because those which were used earlier, resulted in nothing – doctors failed to save all people infected with the virus in the reanimation. The belt ventilators did not help also.

For this reason a group of professors of Chernivtsi Medical University appealed to the Ministry of Health and National Security and Defense Council with a demand to review the standards of treatment of patients in Bukovyna. Scientists-morphologists sent to Kyiv reports, studies and analysis of critically ill patients and people who died of virus.

Viktor Bachinsky noted that the virus is extremely toxic, it is able to penetrate not only through respiratory apparatus but also through the eyes. Chernovtsy scientists recommend in any case use masks and even wear protective spectacles. An important condition to prevent deterioration of the situation is also the observance of quarantine regime.

06:19 p.m. Ministry of Health does not consider it is necessary to publish data on the number of confirmed cases of influenza pandemic in the laboratory. "Ukraine is in the A/N1N1 influenza pandemic, and now it does not matter how many of these cases will be detected, we should treat everybody equally," - said Deputy Minister of Health Vasyl Lazoryshynets at a briefing on Friday.

Vasyl Lazoryshynets also reminded that in Ukraine since the beginning of the epidemic 1,25 mn people became ill with pandemic influenza, influenza and acute respiratory diseases, including 61,000 people - over the past day, which is by 8,500 less than the previous day. 65,615 people are treated in hospital, including 392 - in the reanimation, 60 have artificial pulmonary ventilation.

Since the beginning of the epidemic in Ukraine 239 people died, including 26 people during the last day, most of them are in the Ivano-Frankivsk, Chernivtsi, Lviv and Ternopil Regions. He also said that according to the laboratory data, 14 people died of pandemic influenza, Interfax-Ukraine reports.

06:25 p.m. To date, swine flu in Ukraine is dominant, but not the only strain, said the head of mission of the World Health Organization in Ukraine Yukka Pukkila.

Yukka Pukkila said that the strain of pandemic virus is detected in 22 cases of 34 samples sent to the control laboratory, which collaborates with WHO in London.

At the same time, Yukka Pukkila stressed that, besides Californian flu in Ukraine there is a large number of varieties of acute respiratory viral diseases and many other viruses that infect the respiratory system, reports Liga.

posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 03:27 PM
reply to post by BLUESHADOW747

You really need to learn how to use ATS.....

I'm still waiting for you to post that proof that the vaccine has killed people. Until then you're just a troll posting lies as far as I'm concerned.

Just keep focusing on me and attacking me, I'm sure people are distracted by it.

posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 03:32 PM
My understanding is that the "new" vaccines have not been tested outside of the lab, (i'm talking about Pandemrix and Celvapan) before being released/rushed to the various health authorities. The patents too, at least in the case of Pandemrix, seem to have been fast-tracked although Pandemrix appears to be the more conventional, and less worrying vaccine. The available treatment for those with the 'flu, (Tamiflu) needs to be updated unless new batches have been recently released. Tamiflu was bought in huge quantities by most countries around 2004 because of the bird 'flu scare, (sounds familiar) and will be out of date, or expired for some by February next year and probably for all by October next year. Talking about bird 'flu here is a link about it in Russia from 2005, interesting in the light of current events,

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posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 03:41 PM
reply to post by ecoparity

you are truly amazing; still you are the one that doesn,t answer specific questions. and as far as your opinion of me>? think i care? it is strange that i am not the only one on here who sees you and recognizes YOUR LIES AND DECEPTION, nd also eco I think most people on here realize what the vaccine has in it and the agenda that goes with it again " have you taken the vaccine? and is your child to be vaccinated? and along with several other posters here that has seen your playing your part it is not an attack simple FACTS; AS FOR THE INFO I WILL TRY TO DO your home work for you but what good will it do? YOU deny everything anyways!

[edit on 14-11-2009 by BLUESHADOW747]

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