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Number of victims to unknown virus growing! State of emergency to be imposed in Ukraine?

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posted on Nov, 7 2009 @ 04:57 PM
you know it is very un-nerving and ------up to say this is ONLY ABOUT UKRAINE excuse the==== out of me this involves the world! unless you think the u.s, doesn't have a place in all this!

posted on Nov, 7 2009 @ 05:01 PM
Poland is currently analysing 92 samples sent from Ukraine.
Also records death of 2 year old boy from Swine Flu;

posted on Nov, 7 2009 @ 05:13 PM
reply to post by JustMike

hey yeah I am just blown away by the significant facts coming forward and greatly feel for anyone involved in this hell you know what is happening my appeal is to see if there is more resources or ways to get people aware hey you need to get in survival mode because as one thread said this could crash around everyone by christmas if not before i am no where near this panic mode some nut was throwing out there but have experienced serious political and other tragedies and when it hits and you haven't set groundwork it really accomplishes it's goals

posted on Nov, 7 2009 @ 05:30 PM
Mass vaccination in sweden against swine flu. Everybody including hospital employees fear there is not enough vaccine and people wait for hours to get the shot, guards are placed at the vaccination centres to prevent chaos...

posted on Nov, 7 2009 @ 05:36 PM
I have a question about the alleged Mossad Agent, Joseph Moshe, who had warned of this happening at this time in the Ukraine. Does anyone know what he believed was supposed to happen or what the desired outcome was to be?

Thank you.

posted on Nov, 7 2009 @ 05:41 PM
reply to post by really

"Someone" called into the Dr Ott radio show talking about having evidence of the Baxter contamination incident and wanting to give it to the Feds.

People assume it was this Moshe character but there's been no real proof of that.

I'm not taking a position either way, just trying to separate fact from fiction as a lot of the posts I've seen claim he is the caller as a proven fact.

I didn't hear the original call so I don't want to speculate on what was said. I don't trust any of the reports about it as they've all mostly already gotten the most important part wrong.

If I thought I could study and confirm it all I would but if he really went with Mossad back home that story is finished. We'll never know what the real deal is.

posted on Nov, 7 2009 @ 05:51 PM
reply to post by ecoparity

Yeah, that's basically what I know. I was just wondering if anyone knew what was said, whether it's purely conjecture or not.

posted on Nov, 7 2009 @ 06:32 PM
I know the FDA and the CDC frowns of people recommending anything any than "approved medicnes" to treat the swine flu....but if this thing gets out of hand, medical care will be very hard to come by, and we'll most likely be left on our own with friends and family to care for well as our selves.

Since I started studying homeopathy and using remedies, I haven't needed to see a doctor in years for any acute illness. I just treat myself nowadays if I get sick, and it works great.

I know earlier this thread, I posted a list of the top 10 remedies used in flu, but I thought I'd make a quick suggestion as to two of homeopathic remedies you guys might like to consider stocking up on, if this thing really starts to get out of hand:

Gelsemium was the main remedy used in the 1918 flu, according to some articles I've read. The 1918 flu also killed mostly young, healthy, adults.

Also, I found one homeopath who has done some research and thinks that "calcarea sulphurica" would be a good choice for a hemorrhagic pneumonia caused by influenza A.

Here is the write up of that:

Following the dictates of classical homeopathy, applicable also to animals, and by crossing the listing rubrics in the Repertories which consider influenza, pneumonia and pulmonary hemorrhage caused by the latter, it is clear that there are only two remedies which could be “highly suggestive” for the treatment of hemorrhagic pneumonia caused by the virus H3N8 in dogs. These two remedies are: Calcarea Sulphurica and Sulphuricum Acidum. Reading the proving of the single remedies in the medical book of Doctor Clark, only one remedy appears which could be “highly suggestive” and specific for the treatment of hemorrhagic pneumonia caused by the virus H3N8: Sulphuricum Acidum.

Doctor Clark describes in his “Materia Medica” the proving of Sulphuricum Acidum which for similarity can treat: ecchymosis, hemorrhage, influenza, pneumonia, prolonged hemoptysis, cough with hemoptysis, profuse pulmonary hemorrhage and the subsequent collapse. In the Repertories influenza, pneumonia, pulmonary hemorrhage during pneumonia, etc. can be found in the rubrics.

Not wishing to re-write a book of homeopathy only in order to indicate the “highly suggestive” homeopathic remedy for the treatment of hemorrhagic pneumonia caused by the influenza virus A which infects human beings dogs also, I would advise anyone who wishes to understand how I identified the remedy, to read the book “SARS, a proposition for its treatment” in which the modus operandi of classic homeopathic medicine is described.


**Both "gelsemium" and "calcarea sulphuricum" can be found in any homeopathic section in any of the health food stores, such as whole foods, wild oats, sprouts, etc...

**Homeopathy can be used on animals and people, as long as the symptoms match. I occasionally give my dog remedies, too.

**Homeopathic remedies should NOT be taken preventatively, but used only if symptoms begin.

[edit on 7-11-2009 by nikiano]

posted on Nov, 7 2009 @ 06:56 PM
I throw out this link from an opinion piece. Dissect it as you wish:

posted on Nov, 7 2009 @ 09:56 PM
Infected: 936804

Deaths: 144

Hospitalized: 43762

Ukraine Government Chart (translated)

Currently the average number of dead is steady at 10 per day. If we had any sort of accuracy in the statistics that might be optimistic vs. the alternative. Don't take it as gospel that 10 per day are dying in reality.

[edit on 7-11-2009 by ecoparity]

posted on Nov, 7 2009 @ 10:29 PM

Originally posted by EDteach
I throw out this link from an opinion piece. Dissect it as you wish:

Thanks for the link EDteach!!

A lot to chew on there and a lot of assumptions can be made? What is it and did that Moshe guy actualy say that a phnemonic plauge was going to be released in the Ukraine when he called in to that radio show? That is what the rumor is that is floating around, but I take those rumors with a grain of salt as that stuff can easily get turned around by the time it gets to new people that say they heard it from a friend... blah blah blah

watching it very closely though. As I always say time will tell, I just hope we have time left.


posted on Nov, 7 2009 @ 10:47 PM
reply to post by nikiano

Every agency of the USAmerican government is utterly corrupt. The FDA and CDC definitely belong to someone other than the USAmerican people.

I first thought in terms of 15,000 IU of Vitamin D3 and then massive doses of Vitamin C (in an ester - my preference) a 1000mg ever three to four hours -- or think of it as 5000mg for an average person spreading the doses out through the day at 1000mg. For myself, now that this has sprung in Ukraine, I am taking more and saturating my system.

I also have Gelsemium on hand with enough for myself and any family that might show up and for my neighbours.

I hadn't thought of calcarea sulphurica with regard to this --and so I thank you very much for that insight.

posted on Nov, 7 2009 @ 10:54 PM
reply to post by pcgeek

I'm pasting this -- a comment by toddly -- at the Huffington Post that addresses your question about Joseph Moishe or Moshe:

The would-be bomber, Joseph Moshe, called into the Dr True Ott Show on Republic Broadcasting and said he was a microbiologist who wanted to hand over evidence to a States Attorney regarding tainted H1N1 vaccines being produced by Baxter pharmaceutical. He claimed that that Baxter’s lab in the Ukraine was in fact preparing a bioweapon disguised as a vaccine. He maintained that the vaccine contained both adjuvants designed to weaken the immune system, and replicated RNA from the virus responsible for the 1918 global pandemic. That’s it. He made no threat against Obama, nor said anything about bombs or any attack. The following day he was hauled out of his red VW beetle by a SWAT team and arrested. He was immediately extradited to Israel, where he has dual-citizenship, and hasn’t been heard from since. All this talk portraying him as being a right-wing nutcase is disinformation designed to keep his disturbing comments from alarming the public.

And again, here is the URL to the Huffington Post article and commentary.

Baxter have previously produced and released HIV tainted blood. Not such a great record for Baxter.

[edit on 7/11/09 by Pellevoisin]

posted on Nov, 7 2009 @ 11:01 PM
reply to post by Pellevoisin

Thanks for that link... had anyone else heard that he said it would be released in the Ukraine or is that something after the fact?

been trying to find some info on that as well.

posted on Nov, 7 2009 @ 11:51 PM
I was forwarded to a website today, where a man gave his personal opinion on this whole scenario. Initially I was highly dubious, but the more I read, the more this all makes sense... This put all the pieces of the puzzle together for me.

The puzzle they cannot solve is why western governments are so adamant about getting people to actually take the shots. Most of us understand that these big vaccine campaigns are simply money-making programs for Big Pharma, third in the pantheon of corporate players that own and operate virtually all western governments. But does it make sense this time? After all, these vaccines are already paid for. They could be dumped in a landfill and the manufacturers wouldn’t care at all.

The secret purpose of the swine flu vaccine is not obvious until you fully understand what the vaccine does. And you must combine that information with the understanding that the real Pandemic is just around the corner.

I don’t want to seem omniscient here, so I’ll have to confess the real secret of the swine flu vaccine just came across my desk on Wednesday. Someone sent me a couple paragraphs attributed to Dr. Russell Blaylock, the MD that produces the Blaylock Wellness Report, a subscription newsletter. Here’s the paragraph that says it all:

No one should take the swine flu vaccine – it is one of the most dangerous vaccines ever devised. It contains an immune adjuvant called squalene MF-59 which has been shown to cause severe autoimmune disorders such as MS, rheumatoid arthritis and Lupus. This is the vaccine adjuvant that is strongly linked to the Gulf War syndrome, which killed over 10,000 soldiers and caused a 200% increase in the fatal disease ALS (Lou Gehreg disease). This [swine flu] virus kills by causing a cytokine storm, which means that it causes the body's immune system to overreact and that is why it is killing young people and is a mild disease in the elderly. (The elderly have weakened immune systems.) This vaccine is a very powerful immune stimulator and carries the real possibility of making the lethality of the virus much greater.

What Dr. Blaylock is saying, is that the vaccine will greatly boost the Cytokine Storm, increasing the chance that people will die from the silly swine flu virus before the vaccine can kill it off. He doesn't realize that a disease with twenty times the Cytokine effect is just around the corner.

In our newsletters I’ve been talking about the Cytokine Storm for almost three years. It is the quick-kill factor in the original 1918 virus that killed several hundred million people around the globe. In simple terms it is a form of rapid inflammation, similar to an allergic reaction to the toxins produced by the virus as it multiplies in your gut. The inflammation takes place in the lungs, and if it is too strong, or lasts too long, it will kill you. Often within a single day. A popular saying in 1918 and 1919 was, "Healthy in the morning, dead by nightfall."

Populations of all western nations practicing socialized welfare systems have already had their ability to shut down the Cytokine Storm greatly impaired by six to ten years of chemtrail spraying. Now, if the part of your immune system that produces the Cytokine Storm is put on hyperdrive by the swine flu shot, when the real H1N1 virus comes along in December or January, your chances of survival are going to be very poor. No wonder Homeland Security has spent thousands of man-hours trying to locate sites for mass burials! Those folks are not stupid, and they know what is coming. You, on the other hand, are assumed to be both stupid and powerless.

Here's the link... I'm sure you all can separate the wheat from the chaff, he might be a little throwed-off mentally with the "reversed speech analysis", but some of his analysis is DEAD ON in my opinion.

posted on Nov, 7 2009 @ 11:52 PM
Didn't somebody post something that said that the Ukraine had a pneumonic plague drill in September?

Take a look at this article:

Pneumonic Plague Drill Held in Illinois
Kurt Nimmo
November 7, 2009
In Lake in the Hills, Illinois, police will conduct a drill to combat a fictitious pneumonic plague on Saturday. “The Lake in the Hills Police Department is carrying out the test as part of a grant from the McHenry County Department of Health for its emergency health plan. In case of a biological terrorist attack or widespread disease outbreak, the site would be able get medicine to the community, Lake in the Hills Chief of Patrol Services David Brey said,” reports the Northwest Herald. Brey said officials picked pneumonic plague for the scenario “so it would have nothing to do with the swine flu.”
Some believe the “mystery illsness” afflicting Ukraine is pneumonic plague.

In Ukraine, the pneumonic plague is not fictional, although officials in that country insist the disease is a mutated version of the H1N1 virus, not pneumonic plague. Over the period of six days, the mystery disease has afflicted more than 500,000 people. The plague or virus in the Ukraine has 10 times the mortality rate than the normal swine flu. In late October, officials in Ivano-Frankivsk, a city located in southwestern Ukraine, characterized the outbreak as pneumonic plague. Pneumonic plague is caused by bacterium and is more virulent and less common than bubonic plague.

Official Ukranian sources place the number of death at 33 (as of November 5) and the news website ZIK claims a total of 97 deaths. Deutsche Presse-Agentur put the number at 95 and reported on November 5 that 633,877 Ukrainians nationwide have registered with health authorities as suffering from the flu. Doctors in the region, however, dispute this and say thousands have died.

Residents of Kiev claim light aircraft sprayed a mysterious substance on residents of the city, according to Radio Netherlands Worldwide. The spraying was denied by the country’s Office of Emergency Response.


posted on Nov, 8 2009 @ 12:06 AM
Also his theory on WHY the illuminati is doing this makes sense to me...

It wasn't until 2004 that I understood why the "illuminati" were interested in creating a killer pandemic. That was the year I ran across an article in a magazine devoted to real estate that talked about the massive shift of wealth that would be happening in the future. The author was writing about the retirement of the Baby Boomers. Later I would learn that this would be the greatest financial threat our western governments have ever faced.

As I’ve told our newsletter readers many times, the Pandemic has nothing to do with imaginary overpopulation, Satanic goals, or any other strangeness. It’s strictly about money. All the welfare states, including Russia, are going broke. In the U.S. retiring Baby Boomers are about to suck away the government’s last penny. Unless something is done, the Illuminati-run North American Union designed to replace the current circuses in Washington and Ottawa will quickly bleed to death if it must pick up the same welfare burden. Socialism has only one answer for problems like this: mass murder. And it simply can’t be put off any longer.

Also he ties the Chem-trails and False Flag nuclear attack they have been planning into his unified theory...

Why have Obama, Gordon Brown and others been told that this is the last chance for Gambit [nuclear false flag in US or Israel]? Because the “Bird Flu” Pandemic simply cannot be postponed for another year. Once it begins, large scale military operations will become impossible, and the U.S. will need it’s military here at home, perhaps for a very long time. Ready to go at least three years ago, the pandemic has been postponed each time a previous Gambit attempt failed. Everyone is being told that this is not going to happen this year.

Postponements have been a nuisance for our Illuminati masters, because each time has meant another billion dollars for the chemtrail program in North America, and a similar amount in Europe. Chemtrails and the Pandemic are two parts of the same operation. We didn't understand why until we learned that pesticide poisoning distorts hormonal functions, and reduces adrenal availability. The invisible part of chemtrails, the pesticide Ethylene Dibromide that falls to earth immediately and blows through your neighborhood, is reducing your ability to fight off the Cytokine Storm, the fast-kill mechanism of the recently recreated 1918 virus.

So.. they are doing this because ANY economy couldn't support all the retiring Baby Boomers, and the Chem-trails reduce your body's ability to fight off a cykotine storm. The H1N1 vaccine will practically ensure a cytokine storm, but he believes the real danger isn't H1N1, but an unknown virus that causes high rates of cytokine storms.. Maybe the an H1N1 mutation is good enough for this effect, maybe it doesn't need to be H5N1 or a different virus altogether.

What do you guys think?

posted on Nov, 8 2009 @ 12:12 AM
India 35 deaths not swine flu

posted on Nov, 8 2009 @ 01:13 AM

Originally posted by nikiano
Didn't somebody post something that said that the Ukraine had a pneumonic plague drill in September?

Yes, I think a couple of people have. One person I remember said that it was like 9/11 or 7/7 where they had drills of the exact thing that happened either when it was happening or before.
The cycle continues....

posted on Nov, 8 2009 @ 01:19 AM

Originally posted by seattletruth
What do you guys think?

Well, obviously, I don't know if it is true or not but I like the reasoning. The theories that involve satanism or some other far out there theory usually lose me. Money and the ability to keep their system which keeps them at the top, I understand. As they say, K.I.S.S. - Keep It Simple Stupid. This is a simple answer. I think it's one of the best explanations I've heard.

By the way, thanks for the link. Good stuff.

[edit on 8-11-2009 by really]

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