Number of victims to unknown virus growing! State of emergency to be imposed in Ukraine?

Is there any new numbers from Ukraine today? Sorry if I have missed, haven't really got the time to read this today.

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I've just posted them.

Check the final post of the previous thread

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Oh, you just updated this, thanks!

Dr H Niman - Latest Update

Clusters of Hemorrhagic H1N1 Pneumonia in Ukraine

Recombinomics Commentary 11:54 November 4, 2009
Ivano-Frankivsk Oblast
All the six dead young people had symptoms of severe hemmorhagic pneumonia. The disease starts slowly, with temperature rising to 37.2 - 37.3 degrees, slight cough and pain in joints. Nasal catarrh developed at the end of the second or third day. Autopsy revealed that the lungs were soaked with blood, the oblast chief specialist said.

The above comments are from an early story describing cases in Ukraine. The clustering of hemorrhagic cases raised concerns. The concern was increased by anecdotal reports citing a high frequency of such cases in Lviv (see map).

The recent WHO announcement that they were initially focusing of severe acute respiratory illness in Lviv also increased concerns. Hemorrhagic pneumonia was also observed in the 1918 pandemic and was thought to be linked to cytokine storm.

Consequently, those with robust immune systems (previously health young adults) disproportionately died, which has also been seen in the current outbreak (Mexico, US, and worldwide). However, the cases in Ukraine appear to be clustered, raising concerns that the virus has changed. However, the change may be minor, since the current H1N1 has produced the above symptoms in earlier cases.

More severe cases may be linked to a higher viral load, which could be linked to minor genetic changes, or simply due to concentration of virus in schools.

In the US the spread of the virus has been linked to school openings, which lead to an explosion of cases and subsequent student deaths. However, now there are increases in fatalities in teachers and administrators, increasing concerns worldwide.

In Ukraine, weather changes and heating issues may have led to a surge in cases, and increased concentrations of virus could have produced conditions favoring high viral loads and increased cytokine storms.

Samples have been sent to Mill Hill, and sequence data should be released shortly. Similarly, investigations on hemorrhagic pneumonia in lviv should help resolve the mechanism for the high concentration of such cases in western Ukraine. However, H1N1 spread in Kiev has been noted, and other countries such as Belarus have announced additional H1N1 suspect or confirmed fatalities.

Sequence analysis of these cases and an update on the frequency of hemorrhagic pneumonia in Ukraine and worldwide would be useful.

www.etaiwannews.com...

EU ready to help Ukraine cope with flu outbreak

Associated Press
2009-11-04 06:55 PM Fonts Size:

The European Union says it is coordinating closely with health experts in Ukraine to help it cope with a suspected swine flu outbreak.
EU spokeswoman Nina Papadoulaki says the EU is "following very closely" the spread of the flu virus in Ukraine, which neighbors the 27-nation bloc.

She said Wednesday many EU member states are ready to provide logistical and medical support to Ukrainian authorities. Austria, Hungary, and Slovenia have already said they will send disinfectants, vaccines and respirators to help Ukraine.

The World Health Organization fears most cases in Ukraine are due to the H1N1 swine flu virus.

en.apa.az...

Azerbaijan provides humanitarian aid to Ukraine

[ 04 Nov 2009 11:11 ]
Baku. Nijat Mustafayev-APA-ECONOMICS. Azerbaijan is providing humanitarian aid to Ukraine amid the pandemic A (H1N1) virus-caused influenza reportedly sweeping through the country.

Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev has ordered his government to send 20 tons of humanitarian aid to Ukraine by Boeing-767 aircraft with delivery on November 6, Ukrainian ambassador to Azerbaijan Boris Klimchuk told reporters in Baku.

“This shipment includes medicines, masks and other essential medial supplies,” he added.

Ukrainian President Victor Yushchenko called on the international community to help the country combat the swine flu epidemic after imposing drastic measures to tackle the sudden surge of illness in the country.

Romania, Poland, Georgia and several NATO member states have already dispatched humanitarian aid to Ukraine.

More than 250,000 cases have been reported, according to official Ukrainian figures cited by the WHO.

The World Health Organization sent a team to Kiev on Monday to assist local health officials with the epidemic. It recommended against restricting travel or closing borders, calling such measures ineffective in preventing the spread of the virus.

news.am...

Another swine flu case in Azerbaijan

13:55 / 11/04/2009Azerbaijani resident of Kurdamir region was tested positive for A/H1N1 virus, Azerbaijani APA news agency reports.

According to the source, he was taken to Scientific-Research Pulmonology Institute. Currently he is under medical supervision.

The infected citizen lived in Ivanovo-Frankovsk province of Ukraine and returned in the end of October.

Azerbaijan is among 90 states that World Health Organization (WHO) distributed 300 million vaccination doses against swine flu.

Another person sick with swine flu that just recently left Ukraine.

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Thanks.



It's best to put verbally abusive folks on ignore and continue on Pax. Posts like yours are the reason I keep reading this thread.

Originally posted by ecoparity
Hemorrhagic pneumonia was also observed in the 1918 pandemic and was thought to be linked to cytokine storm.

Quite an interesting and significant remark, made by the WHO.
Are they suggesting the strain is now similar, if not, identical to the 1918 strain?

Originally posted by infinite


Quite an interesting and significant remark, made by the WHO.
Are they suggesting the strain is now similar, if not, identical to the 1918 strain?

I believe the remark was included to explain that the WHO was initially concerned about the blood being found in the lungs of recent casualties. Since they were aware of the happenings in 1918, they wanted to be certain they were not dealing with a similar strain in the Ukraine. They have since stated that they believe strongly this is the H1N1 virus and not something like the 1918 strain.

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Originally posted by infinite

Originally posted by ecoparity
Hemorrhagic pneumonia was also observed in the 1918 pandemic and was thought to be linked to cytokine storm.

Quite an interesting and significant remark, made by the WHO.
Are they suggesting the strain is now similar, if not, identical to the 1918 strain?

Where is the WHO article?? Please can I have a link. This concerns me...

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Hello. I believe the quote was taken from this article.

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Thanks a lot.

I will be leaving Ukraine tomorrow. But my friends did not get any new tickets. They are costing $1100 now. Dunno why they are charging so much. I feel bad for them.
I have been feeling a bit sick since today morning, headache, and cough....hope I don't get quarantined in transit.

DP

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yeah, the best idea is to get out ... if you are already sick, well, lets get the disease to some other place ... lol

Originally posted by asen_y2k
I will be leaving Ukraine tomorrow. But my friends did not get any new tickets. They are costing $1100 now. Dunno why they are charging so much. I feel bad for them.

Could I ask how much of a price increase that is from before and where the destination is? I'm wondering, if the increase in prices for tickets is substantial, whether they have done that on purpose to try and stop some people getting out without causing any panic that perhaps may arise from an all out lock-down of the country?

I have been feeling a bit sick since today morning, headache, and cough....hope I don't get quarantined in transit.

Uh oh! Stay well, sir! Stay well. Hopefully it's just a cold or something! I feel for you being stuck out there, I really do, but if you have actually gotten ill now with whatever it is that's going around; would it be a good idea to travel back with it to your family and friends (if that's where you're going)?

Originally posted by asen_y2k
reply to post by Cadbury

 

Thanks a lot.

I will be leaving Ukraine tomorrow. But my friends did not get any new tickets. They are costing $1100 now. Dunno why they are charging so much. I feel bad for them.
I have been feeling a bit sick since today morning, headache, and cough....hope I don't get quarantined in transit.

asen, can you say what country is the one you are going to fly to?

And... sorry for that question, but what will you do if tomorrow you will feel much worse than now? Postpone your travel, or ignore it and travel even so?

Infinite-

You should watch that video by the Spanish physician/PhD (who is also a catholic nun) that someone posted on this thread yesterday. It was also the number one thread on ATS yesterday. It will answer your questions.

Asen-

You might also be interested in watching that, since you're a medical student, and since she is a physician/PhD.

Here' the link to that thread:

www.abovetopsecret.com...




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REPLY TO THE POSTS ABOVE.

I am worried about the same thing, about spreading it. But I guess its just a minor cough and headache(i am a smoker) and I have no fever or weakness.

Before the ticket was 600 USD, now 1100 USD. The flights from Kiev to Delhi is cancelled, dunno why, they are not flying there anymore. They said they will do so from next year again. Friends who had two way booked on that ticket are now stuck By the way I am flying to my home in India.
No they have not done anything on ground to stop people from panicking. All flights are fully booked for the next 1 week, I had to get 1st class tickets.

If I feel worse I will take some paracetamol and fly home and directly to the best hospital with the best quarantine facilities. And I will wear masks and gloves so I donot infect others. If you were in my shoes I bet you would have done that. Its better dieing with family there than to die in a foreign land where you body will not even reach your family....My frank opinion, won't hide it...


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Originally posted by asen_y2k
REPLY TO THE POSTS ABOVE.

I am worried about the same thing, about spreading it. But I guess its just a minor cough and headache(i am a smoker) and I have no fever or weakness.

Before the ticket was 600 USD, now 1100 USD. The flights from Kiev to Delhi is cancelled, dunno why, they are not flying there anymore. They said they will do so from next year again. Friends who had two way booked on that ticket are now stuck

By the way I am flying to my home in India.
No they have not done anything on ground to stop people from panicking. All flights are fully booked for the next 1 week, I had to get 1st class tickets.

If I feel worse I will take some paracetamol and fly home and directly to the best hospital with the best quarantine facilities. And I will wear masks and gloves so I donot infect others. If you were in my shoes I bet you would have done that. Its better dieing with family there than to die in a foreign land where you body will not even reach your family....My frank opinion, won't hide it...


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Whether anyone else may agree or not, I don't fault you. Good fortune, friend, I pray you get home safe, and well.