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Age of Aquarius is hundreds of years away-

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posted on Oct, 29 2009 @ 11:41 PM
Well I was looking at Stellarium tonight and I advanced in the years to see how long the sun would still be rising in Pisces at the Spring Equinox, trying to see why people think we are entering the age of Aquarius.

From what I is a long way off...hundreds of years in fact.

I tried to save my Stellarium pages to show where the sun will rise in the years 2300, 2600, and 2800....but I cant get it to save the image for me. Could someone with Stellarium do this for me and posts the images. If so...use the date March 20 with all of the years, for this is the time around the Spring Equinox, which will show where the sun rises at this time of year. The age is determined by this and has been determined by this for a long time.

The sun moves 1 degree ever 72 years or so (well actually Im not sure if its the sun or the backdrop of the sun that moves)....someone can clear that up for me to. But I do know that the ages are determined by the rising of the sun in a particular constellation on the spring equinox, which changes over time. They say each age last about 2000 years....but many ages last longer then that for the constellations cover more of the sky then other constellations.

In year 2300, we are just finally reaching the boarder line of Aquarius. Then the sun teeter totters around the boarder of Pisces and Aquarius for another couple hundred years after that. Even in year 2600 we are still boarding the two constellations. It wasnt really till 2700-2800 that we are clearly seeing the sun rising at the spring equinox clearly not in Pisces at all.

So I would love thoughts on this...and help with posting images of the sun with background images of the constellations.....around the years I listed and the time of the year I listed. (And please correct my mistakes, but I nice).

From what I see.....we are clearly in Pisces still and will be in it for still a long time. We are not entering the age of Aquarius for a long while yet.

posted on Oct, 30 2009 @ 12:27 AM
Interesting.....will follow this closely as this kind of stuff interests me..

I wonder If I get some sweet special life bonus for being a Pisces while in the age of Pisces...That would be kind of cool..

anyways...s&F...good thread.

posted on Oct, 30 2009 @ 12:40 AM
reply to post by LucidDreamer85

Another thing I find interesting is that I thought I was a Virgo with traditional astrology....but with using astronomy, the sun actually rose in Leo on my birth. I cant tell you the amount of strange revelations that began in my life when I discovered this...its never been the same.

So we have traditional signs...which follow where the sun rose at certain times a couple thousand years ago....and then we have the sidereal or solar zodiac, which shows the true sign the sun is now rising in...changing many signs of many people.

My mother is what would be a true Taurus either way. Her tropical zodiac says she is Taurus and her sidereal zodiac says she is Taurus.

But what gets me with the ages is there are prophecies and predictions for the changing of ages. So many are saying we are entering Aquarius....and I think they are jumping the gun.

I hope I can get someone to post the images I want from Stellarium, so people can really see what I am saying.

posted on Oct, 30 2009 @ 12:49 AM
We can also look back through history and religions and see how important the symbology of each time reflects the age they were in.

Its late and time for bed...but I really hope others will join in this thread giving their thoughts.

[edit on 30-10-2009 by LeoVirgo]

posted on Oct, 30 2009 @ 01:19 AM
I was just thinking about the Age of Aquarius today after reading something in another thread about it.

I believe the Mayan calendar 'ending' in 2012 is said to have some correlation to the Age of Aquarius.

Heres some other opinions on when the Age of Aquarius begins from wiki.

David Williams
David Williams claims that the Age of Aquarius arrived about 1844, with the harbinger of the Siyyid `Alí Muḥammad (1819–1850), also known as the Báb, founder of Bábism. Williams adopts a sub-period approach to the ages whereby each age is divided into three decans. The three age-decans of the Aquarian Age in chronological order are Libra, Gemini and Aquarius. Williams states that the world is currently in the Libran decan of the Age of Aquarius which is why the world has been so affected by wars (due to Libra) and revolutions (due to Aquarius). He relates ideologies such as Socialism, Communism and Fascism to the arrival of the Age of Aquarius.

Though he acknowledges great progress since the Aquarian Age arrived about 1844, the world will have to wait for the Aquarian decan of the Aquarian Age before the true fellowship of humankind is experienced in the world.[6] (According to Williams’s calculations, the Aquarian decan of the Age of Aquarius will arrive in about 3284, lasting until about 4004).

[edit] Marcia Moore and Mark Douglas
Marcia Moore and Mark Douglas promoted the view that though no one knows when the Aquarian Age begins, the American Revolution, the Industrial Revolution, and the discovery of electricity are all attributable to the Aquarian Age.[7] Moore and Douglas make a number of predictions about the trends that they believe will develop in the Aquarian Age. These include people becoming more impersonal (detached), yet more altruistic and humane. Developments involving flight and space travel will result in decentralization. Inner cities will shrink and burgeoning outer suburbs and industrial areas will reduce congestion.[8]

[edit] Vera Reid
Vera Reid takes a common position expressed by many astrologers and New Agers about the Age of Aquarius. Reid sees the Age of Aquarius as that time when humankind takes control of the Earth and its own destiny as its rightful heritage. As such, humankind will become the "Son of God". Reid believed that the keyword for Aquarius is 'enlightenment'. The destiny of humankind in the Age of Aquarius is the revelation of truth and the expansion of consciousness.[9]

Reid also believed that the many crises the world is experiencing are attributable to the waning days of the Age of Pisces meeting the incoming tide of Aquarius, with the transition between ages lasting approximately 280 years. Reid also promoted the idea that some people will experience mental enlightenment in advance of others and therefore be recognized as the new leaders in the world[10].

[edit] Robert Zoller
Robert Zoller is a proponent of medieval astrology. Zoller’s bleak predictions for the Age of Aquarius suggest that the Pisces world where religion is the opiate of the masses will be replaced in the Aquarian Age by a world ruled by secretive power-hungry elites seeking absolute power over others. Families will dissolve completely, or family ties will be hidden. Zoller also believes that knowledge in the Aquarian Age will only be valued for its ability to win wars; scientists may even be able to precipitate earthquakes for military means, and the danger in the Aquarian Age is that knowledge and science will be abused, not industry and trade. Zoller sees the Aquarian Age as a Dark Age wherein religion will be seen as offensive.[11]

[edit] Albert Amao
Amao states that the transition period between any two ages is based on two degrees' leeway at the point of intersection of two adjoining zodiacal constellations.[12] Based on this transitional structure, Amao has the Age of Aquarius commencing in 1948 with the transitional period from the Pisces age to Aquarian age covering the period 1876 to 2020. Amao follows the causative approach to the ages and believes that the energy from the arriving constellation of Aquarius is actually creating the changes on Earth that many astrologers associate with the Age of Aquarius.[13] The key characteristics of the Aquarian age according to Amao are: science will explain the mysteries of religion; knowledge and reason; freedom and equality, equality of the sexes and of religion; space exploration, supremacy of the United States over the former Pisces supremacy of Europe; and finally revelation of the Mystery.[clarification needed][14]

Amao also states that the Mayan Long Count calendar, that has an end-date of December 21, 2012, is associated with precession of the equinoxes and therefore can provide an important demarcation for the Age of Aquarius. Another technique used by Amao is the longterm conjunction cycle of the planets Saturn and Jupiter that will have a conjunction of these two planets at the very beginning of the sign Aquarius in 2020. Combined with the closing transition date of 2020 derived from the one degree cusp method, Amao is convinced that we lie at the threshold of the Aquarian age.[15]

[edit] Neil Spencer
Neil Spencer provides another sobering overview of the Age of Aquarius stating that the rise of scientific rationalism combined with the fall of religious influence is possibly an indication of the Age of Aquarius. The growth in demands of human rights since the 1780s, though remaining unfulfilled, is another indication of Aquarius. Spencer points to the exponential growth of technology, especially of computers and the Internet, plus the growth in flight and space travel as examples of the dawning of the Age of Aquarius.

Spencer also questions the New Age utopian view of the Age of Aquarius with the modern astrological perspective that each sign is different but equal. Possible negative examples of Aquarius include dumbed-down media and consumerism and rapacious international corporations. Finally, Spencer states that nuclear power must be a manifestation of the Aquarian Age and comments on the parallel between the 25,000 years it takes for uranium to decay with the 26,000 cycle of the astrological ages.[16] No isotopes of uranium have a half-life of 25,000 years though, naturally occurring forms have half-lives of 4.46 billion years(U-238), 700 million years(U-235), and 245,000 years(U-234).

posted on Oct, 30 2009 @ 06:51 AM
reply to post by ThaLoccster

Thanks for posting that info. The thing it anything to go by?

One of the reasons I started looking into this was the idea that people thing 2012 is the start of the age of Aquarius. But if we really look at the true place of the sun in 2012, the sun is CLEARLY in Pisces, very very much so. (This is why I need someone to post the pages from Stellarium).

I agree with the idea that the transition between ages can take a couple hundred years, being like your post said, it is a cusp of time for this to happen. But still looking at the true placement of the sun and stars, this cusp doesnt even seem to begin till about 2300 at the earliest (to me, I still see it totally in Pisces at this time)....but the time I would rather bank on as being the cusp is actually between 2600-2800. During that time, the sun rides the border between the two ages for a couple hundred years, clearly not being in either one really. Even in this cusp of time, the sun is still under the fish and has a long way to go before ever crossing a true star of Aquarius.

Why would there be misunderstanding? Pisces is HUGE...taking the sun alot longer then 2000 yrs to transits through Pisces.

I defiantly think the ages of our time really effect us. We can look back through history and it seems as if new religions arise during the transition of the ages.

What is more interesting about the age of Aquarius is that many people believe the clock of the zodiac would of started in the age of Leo. Some think this is why the Sphinx faced the direction it did, showing the age of Leo some around 10,000BC (12,000 yrs ago). If this is true....then Aquarius marks a half way point being the opposite sign of Leo. So we would be reaching half way around the clock. Some look at it as the first half of the ages is the descending time.....humans descending in their ways. Then the other half would be the ascending time...humans ascending in higher and better ways.

I look for hope, with the half way point, with the true age of Aquarius.

posted on Oct, 30 2009 @ 07:23 AM
So let me give the theory of why people would thing the age of Aquarius is starting. Well....we have been in Pisces for at least 2000 yrs. If we take the 12 zodiac signs the sun seems to travel through (it doesnt really, its actually due to the Earths wobble that this seems to occur).....and we divide 24,000 (this would give each sign 2000 years a piece) by 12....we see the assumption that each age should last 2000 yrs.

But when we sit and watch the rising sun in lets just say, 2400 ad.....the sun will still clearly be in Pisces. Should we ignore that fact, even though its been 2000 years in the age of Pisces? Should we stick with a time line that divides the sky into equal segments even if that division is not accurate if we want to say that the sun is rising in a certain sign at a certain time? I would think that the true background sign of the sun would be more important then the equal division of the zodiac.

An example of this again is that each signs covers different amounts of the sky. For example, Scorpio is a small sign. We think that during our regular year, the sun is in each sign for 30 days at a time right?? This is not so. For Scorpio, the sun is only rising in that sign for about 8 days....NOT 30 (or even close).

Something else to think about is that the sun rises in a 13 sign during December which is the sign of Ophiuchus, the Serpent handler, the healer. A tropical zodiac (which does not follow the true placement of the sun and signs) would tell me my son was Sagittarius. But if I look at where the sun really rose on his birth, it clearly rose in the sign of Ophiuchus.

When Moses threw out the golden calf, he knew it was the end of the Taurus Age or the fourth age in our present great year. He instructed his followers to get rid of the bull, put lambs' blood on the doors, and place Rams' horns in the temples. By looking at the Master Calendar, the Mazzaroth, or the Zodiac in the heavens, anyone could see that it was the dawning of the Age of Aries the ram or lamb. It was the start of the fifth age in our current great year

The precession of the equinoxes has to do with more than just the two different zodiac systems. As the equinoxes precess, they relate to the Great Ages of Man. These Ages mark different periods where significant evolutionary changes occurred. The Ages are defined by the Sidereal Sign that is the current location of the Vernal Point. Currently, the Spring Equinox (0° of Aries in the Tropical Zodiac) occurs at about 7° of the Sidereal Sign of Pisces and we will be in the Sign of Pisces until the Spring Equinox precesses into the Sidereal Sign of Aquarius, which will mark the beginning of the Age of Aquarius. (Even agreeing on this definition of the "Ages" there is much dispute as to the actual year that the "Age of Aquarius" will begin.

Our astrological birth signs no longer coincide with the sun's location in the constellations of the Zodiac because of precession. Even the Tropic of Cancer and the Tropic of Capricorn are now the Tropic of Taurus and the Tropic of Scorpio when we observe the sun on the solstices? Our astrologers and map makers neglected to update our present position in the cosmos for over 2,000 years. We are not the astrological birth signs the newspapers and a majority of the astrologers proclaim we are! The North star (pole star) also changes with the precession of the equinoxes. The North star was Thuban (Alpha Draconis) when the Great Pyramid was constructed to align with true North. The descending passage of the Great Pyramid points to Thuban, the most accurately aligned pole star of all the North stars in the 25,800 (26920) -year cycle of our Earth.

Comprehend that the word sphinx means to bind or close a circle tightly, and that the Great Sphinx binds Virgo and Leo in the Zodiac on the ceiling of the Portico — at Esna's Khnum Temple. The Great Sphinx marks the "Happy New Year" of our present Platonic year, and Leo was the first age in this great year.

Every culture had their own personal system to begin the new year and all nations, except for the Essenes, used a lunar calender consisting of 13 months and between 354 and 364 days.

Some say the start of the great year was in the age of Aries....I lean towards Leo being a start of the great year.

The four seasons of the great year are marked by Egypt’s four minor sphinxes, Ezekiel's four heads of the beast, Revelation’s four cherubim, and astronomy’s Taurus, Leo, Aquarius, and Scorpio (Abraham's Eagle) constellations. . Our Current Position in the Great Year

Comprehend that the word sphinx means to bind or close a circle tightly, and that the Great Sphinx binds Virgo and Leo in the Zodiac on the ceiling of the Portico — at Esna's Khnum Temple. The Great Sphinx marks the "Happy New Year" of our present Platonic year, and Leo was the first age in this great year. Listen when the Vatican informs us every Christmas Eve, when it reads the ancient Calens (calendar) from Rome, that it was the sixth age or the Piscean Age when Jesus, the fisherman, was born 2,000 years ago. Even the ancient Persians called Polaris the "turning point star" 5,000 years before it became our current pole star between the sixth and seventh ages.

And this is very interesting....about the age of Gemini-

It was the third age, or the Age of Gemini 6,000 to 8,000 years ago, when some people on the Earth believe Adam and Eve lived. Gemini is also known as the twins or Adam and Eve in the ancient Zodiacs.

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posted on Oct, 30 2009 @ 08:40 AM
Some say the great year is 26,000 years. Even with this number, divided by 12...each age (if to be separated by equal time) would be 2,166 years a piece. The issue still remains....

Do we say we are in a certain age....if when we look at where the sun rose at Spring clearly shows a different sign?

If we divide the 26,000 years (1 great year) by 13 constellations (houses/separations)...then we get an equal 2000 yrs a piece for each age.

Why could a half way point or the opposite sign be of any importance worth noting? Well some of the ancient found it more important of the sign that the sun would of been facing towards (opposite side of the sky) instead of the sign behind the sun.

The important point to be remembered is that when the sun was said to be in a certain sign of the zodiac, the ancients really meant that the sun occupied the opposite sign and cast its long ray into the house in which they enthroned it. Therefore, when it is said that the sun is in Taurus, it means (astronomically) that the sun is in the sign opposite to Taurus, which is Scorpio. This resulted in two distinct schools of philosophy: one geocentric and exoteric, the other heliocentric and esoteric. While the ignorant multitudes worshiped the house of the sun's reflection, which in the case described would be the Bull, the wise revered the house of the sun's actual dwelling, which would be the Scorpion, or the Serpent, the symbol of the concealed spiritual mystery. This sign has three different symbols. The most common is that of a Scorpion, who was called by the ancients the backbiter, being the symbol of deceit and perversion; the second (and less common) form of the sign is a Serpent, often used by the ancients to symbolize wisdom.

Leo (the opposite of Aquarius) has been important to many cultures.

The sun is often symbolized with its rays in the form of a shaggy mane. Concerning the Masonic significance of Leo, Robert Hewitt Brown, 32°, has written: "On the 21st of June, when the sun arrives at the summer solstice, the constellation Leo--being but 30° in advance of the sun--appears to be leading the way, and to aid by his powerful paw in lifting the sun up to the summit of the zodiacal arch. * * * This visible connection between the constellation Leo and the return of the sun to his place of power and glory, at the summit of the Royal Arch of heaven, was the principal reason why that constellation was held in such high esteem and reverence by the ancients. The astrologers distinguished Leo as the 'sole house of the sun,' and taught that the world was created when the sun was in that sign. 'The lion was adored in the East and the West by the Egyptians and the Mexicans. The chief Druid of Britain was styled a lion.'" (Stellar Theology and Masonic Astronomy.) When the Aquarian Age is thoroughly established, the sun will be in Leo, as will be noted from the explanation previously given in this chapter regarding the distinction between geocentric and heliocentric astrology. Then, indeed, will the secret religions of the world include once more the raising to initiation by the Grip of the Lion's Paw. (Lazarus will come forth.)

The Magi were star gazers....were they awaiting a 'solar' born babe for the new age of Pisces? One to lead the 'fisher of men'? Did they seek a conjunction for this beginning? For this birth?

Does 'as above, so below' hold more truth then we know?

posted on Oct, 30 2009 @ 09:15 AM
So just for fun, lets look at some rough observations.

This is what I see on Stellerium when advancing the date and time.

Around 2400, we are still in Pisces.

Around 2600, the sun rises on the border pretty much equally of both Pisces and Aquarius...not being more in one then the other.

Around 2800 the sun is more in Aquarius.

Lets jump ahead now....

Around 3400 the sun in clearly very much in Aquarius and will rise in the path of the pouring water from the Aquarian man holding the pitcher.

Around 8500 the sun will be rising in Sagittarius, right at the place that some call the center of the galaxy (the idea of 2012 really revolves around this spot in the sky).

Around 8800 the sun rises in the 13th sign, Ophiuchus (some of you may be an Ophiuchus and not even know it).

In the year 9999 the sun starts to enter Scorpio....some cultures saw Scorpio as a bird. The age of Scorpio will be short for the sign is small.

When discussing the 'age' of time....I always use the month of March and the date of the 21 since this is the time of Spring Equinox, which is how we determine the changing of the ages.

For more kicks and giggles....lets jump again.

year 17,300 on the spring equinox, march 21....the sun will rise and conjunct Regulus, the heart of the Lion, during the ago of Leo.

In that same year, look at how much the signs (birth signs would have changed by now)....

6-21, summer solstice-sun will rise in Libra
9-21, fall Equinox-sun will be rising in Aquarius
12-21, winter solstice-sun will rise in Taurus

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posted on Jan, 29 2010 @ 09:16 AM


Many astrologers consider the entrance into a new astrological age is not a single moment of time but a process commonly referred to as `the cusp' by which one age initiates its influences, in a slowly increasing way, before the end of the previous age. For example Ray Grasse states that an astrological age neither begins at an exact day or year.[17] Paul Wright states that cusps do not exist in horoscopic astrology (a planet is either in one zodiacal sign or the next) but a cuspal effect does occur at the border of the astrological ages. Consequently the beginning of any age cannot be defined to a single year or a decade but blend its influences with the previous age for a period of time until the new age can stand in its own right. [18] However there is no consensus on this point. Basically those that follow the cusp approach believe that there is a merging of influence between each adjoining ages. Many astrologers believe that the world is currently on the cusp of the Pisces and Aquarian ages explaining why so many developments in the world today can be aligned to Pisces (i.e. continuing strong religious influences especially from Christianity) and Aquarius (traditional archetypes associated with Aquarius include electricity, computers and democracy). A few astrologers consider the last ca. 10 degrees of a given age (ca. 720 years) as the time period during which the new age starts to make visible its influences, also called "orb of influence". In Nicholas Campion's The Book of World Horoscopes there are six pages listing researchers and their proposed dates for the start of the Age of Aquarius indicating that many researchers believe that each age commences at an exact date.[19] Robert Hand[20] adds another point of view about cusps in that the stars of the constellation of Pisces overlap the stars of the constellation of Aquarius. Technically the vernal equinox enters the constellation of Aquarius in 2691 but does not leave the constellation of Pisces until 2817. Therefore between 2691 and 2817 the vernal equinox is pointing towards both the constellation of Pisces and the constellation of Aquarius.[21] This approach has no effect upon those astrologers that utilize twelve equal sized ages based on the sidereal zodiac.

As an example of a typical contemporary approach to precession, in Max Heindel's astrology writings,[27] it is described that last time the starting-point of the sidereal zodiac agreed with the tropical zodiac occurred in 498. A year after these points were in exact agreement, the Sun crossed the equator about fifty seconds of space into the constellation Pisces. The year following it was one minute and forty seconds into Pisces, and so it has been creeping backwards ever since, until at the present time the Sun crosses the equator in about nine degrees in the constellation Pisces. Based on this approach, it will thus be about 600 years before it actually crosses the celestial equator in the constellation Aquarius. However this is only one of many approaches and so this must remain speculation at this point of time.

The zodiacal signs: * the vernal equinox (northern hemisphere) is occurring in Aquarius; Timeframes In 1928, at the Conference of the International Astronomical Union (IAU) in Leiden, the Netherlands, the edges of the 88 official constellations became defined in astronomical terms. The edge established between Pisces and Aquarius locates the beginning of the Aquarian Age around the year 2600.

Does a transition period of 600-700 years resonate with anyone for a 'cusp' of time and transition.

ORB OF INFLUENCE or 'dawning of an age'

From this viewpoint, the orb of influence (10th degree of Pisces entered in the 1930s) coincides with the discovery of Pluto, technological advancements including nuclear fission, the invention of radar, the invention of SSB and FM in radio transmission, the first television broadcasts with a modern level of definition (1936), computers and other digital equipment (binary high and low levels) and the Internet; but also with the times of Great Depression in the economic and social of worldwide structures. The 9th degree occurs in the 2000s decade which has been dominated by several wide-ranging topics, including the explosion in telecommunications through the spread of instant communications through broadband Internet and email and mobile phones, the development of internet commerce and social networking websites, which have given people the opportunity to easily keep in touch with others from anywhere around the globe; computers continue to advance rapidly and to be applied to the majority of the areas of human activity and other technological equipment as digital cameras, digital data storage, and digital audio players became widespread; the international trade and a growing concern over energy supplies as well as concerns with international terrorism and war, an escalation of the social issues of the 1990s, the debate over global warming and the recent world's financial and economical crisis. Ages are believed by some to affect mankind. For Aquarius (also called "the Water Bearer"), it is reported we have already been feeling influences - titled orb of influence (the last ten degrees backwards of the Age of Pisces) - in the accelerated individual, social, cultural, scientific and technological development and globalization through the 20th century. This view is consistent with the popular notion of the New Age movement that regards current times as the "dawning of the Aquarian Age".

For anyone interested, the Law of One material talks of a transition time between 3d and 4d of 100-700 years. It also mentions that the time time certain entities started to incarnate to help the Earths transition (incarnated here by choice) was about 45 years ago...according to when the channeling was taking place....this could go back to 1940's, give or take a bit, for certain incarnations to of started. This all fits very nicely with the astronomical positions for the sun moving (really meaning the Earth is moving) into the age of Aquarius at a very slow to and fro. Coincidence?

posted on Jan, 29 2010 @ 09:25 AM
Its simple. The Age of Aquarius will have no effect on us in a couple of hundred years. infact if it doenst happen soon and humanity embrace a spiritual change across the planet, no one will be around to enter the age of aquarius.

Look at the current state of the world and tell me something isnt happening?

Something global.

Its obvious we are waking up, be it to the reality of life or to the missconceptions of the conspiracy. One way or another we are ready to take that leap and discover the truth.

That leap is a leap of faith and a leap in consciosness and once humanity get through that spiritual evolution or transition only then will the age of aquarius dawn on us.

There is no saying if it will be now or in 200 years time, it will happen when the people need it to or will it to happen. Not before or after.

posted on Jan, 29 2010 @ 09:33 AM
reply to post by Icecoldfm

I dont think the Earth is going to wait on the people. I think for the next 600 years we will have a opportunity of catalysts and choice. I think the ages tell us of the Earths cycles, and that Earth is ready to move on even if man doesnt like it.

There is not an end for those that still need to learn from 3d experience...all entities will move on for what suits their needs. I dont think though that the true Aquarian age is going to wait on anyone.

Just giving back thoughts, this is all speculation at best. But we are seeing a great time of choice right now. People are reacting to it and dont even know it.

posted on Jan, 29 2010 @ 03:27 PM
If these computer models are accurate, then how do we get the ''sun's age'' story wrong? 360 degrees, divided by 12, gives us 30 degrees per Zodiac sign. So this should not be difficult to pin down.

What happens if you look ahead 26,000 years in that computer program?
Do you see a sky that looks identical to the sky for today's date?

Somebody advance the date on their program until they find the omega for today's alpha, please, and then report back. We need to know how long it takes for the computer model to bring us back around to start.

Are we being misled by the stories of BC and AD year counting?
Is the zero year the problem?
Was it all a hoax to make Caesar popular?
When did the sun rise in Pisces according to these computer models?

Can I ask any more questions?

posted on Jan, 29 2010 @ 11:15 PM

Originally posted by Cabaret Voltaire
If these computer models are accurate, then how do we get the ''sun's age'' story wrong? 360 degrees, divided by 12, gives us 30 degrees per Zodiac sign. So this should not be difficult to pin down.

What happens if you look ahead 26,000 years in that computer program?
Do you see a sky that looks identical to the sky for today's date?

Somebody advance the date on their program until they find the omega for today's alpha, please, and then report back. We need to know how long it takes for the computer model to bring us back around to start.

Are we being misled by the stories of BC and AD year counting?
Is the zero year the problem?
Was it all a hoax to make Caesar popular?
When did the sun rise in Pisces according to these computer models?

Can I ask any more questions?

Those are all great questions and deserve to be observed. If the ancients and modern day man put so much account into the changing of ages...then many questions need to be asked. I wish I knew more precise answers!

Here is the problem with the circle of animals. The zodiac first began as a equally divided circle, with no animals. The animals were later added and they seemed to be based on a general segment for each division of the circle, hence, 12 signs.

We can either divide it into equal segments and throw out the animals (since the animals is what is making each segment not equal...or we can assume that there is more to the animals, even though they were added some sort of hidden knowledge or cycle yet to be understood.

The reason I had trouble just dumping on the animals and not just going for a equal segmented sky was because so many ancient markers of time were based on the changing of the age and the animals were directly connected. Another marker that I hold dear, even though it may have no ground to stand on at the tale of the one carrying the pitcher of water, which seems to be Aquarius being warned of in the Bible.

So what I present is IF we go by the constellations, their amount of space in the sky, their true positions to the sun from Earths perspective, we will still be in Pisces for some time.

Yes, 26,000 years from today, you would see the same pattern for the sun, north star, and constellations to the sun. Today, our North Star is Polaris....the north star changes several times in a great year. But 26,000 from today, we would be back at having Polaris as our North Star, we should again be in the age of Pisces, transiting into the age of Aquarius.

What I find amazing is that the ancients were obsessed about leaving information about the cosmos. I personally think the sphinx was built in the age of Leo after a huge downfall of man. I think we are half way around the clock of the great year. Half way points are important (if this is right anyways). Its like the starting marker is looking its own self in the mirror, at its half way point.

Another real problem when considering all of this is we dont know for sure when the ancients thought of the zodiacal year to of started. Materials like the Bible seem to suggest Aries as a starting point, but history seems to show times being marked by man of ages before Aries.

I wish I knew more about the whole bc and ad thing. When considering such large amounts of time though, such as a couple thousand years, Im not sure if a few years would make much account. There would be such a long time for the 'cusp' of the changing of the ages.

What gets me, bottom so many sites and astrologist claim we are in the age of Aquarius now. BUT...according to the rising of the sun on the spring equinox, the sun still rises in Pisces for the spring equinox and still will be rising there for at least a couple hundred more years without touching the borders of Aquarius.

Then of course, the whole 13 signs of the rising sun throwing the whole special 12 number out the window yes, another problem, when dealing with the circle of animals.

Lets just say, the clock started at the beginning of Leo. 26,000 years after this beginning, the clock would set right back where it began, and journey again through out the great year. Course the Universe is always slowly moving to and fro so Im not sure how many times the cycle would go without any changes. There are stories that seem to support the idea that the sun once rose where it set and set where it rose. I cant begin to imagine the things that could throw a loop hole in this idea of thinking.

Ill compare a few different ideas of the start of Pisces this weekend and then check the software and see what I can come up with.

posted on Jun, 5 2010 @ 08:20 PM
Hey this is a older thread, but have you found any knew info regarding this topic?

I think something an above poster mentioned is a very viable question, is our current Gregorian calendar system misdirecting our understanding of these ages? Using more ancient calendar systems such as the Mayan one, does that give credit to the idea that we are either already in or soon to be headed into the Aquarius Age? Thanks!

posted on Jun, 6 2010 @ 12:29 PM

Originally posted by LifeIsEnergy
Hey this is a older thread, but have you found any knew info regarding this topic?

I think something an above poster mentioned is a very viable question, is our current Gregorian calendar system misdirecting our understanding of these ages? Using more ancient calendar systems such as the Mayan one, does that give credit to the idea that we are either already in or soon to be headed into the Aquarius Age? Thanks!

Hello there!

The Gregorian calendar has nothing to do with 'ages' so it would not error the 'age of Aquarius' at all. The only way it could was if it did not keep track of the spring equinox accurately, but it does this to a 't'. The equinox's and solstices are not the exact same day every year. An example of this...and I would of not know it myself with our some really wild experience on a solstice in 2008....was that in June of that year...I discovered that the solstice was going to be on the 20th instead of the normal/average 21st. The calendars did account for that day difference that year...I checked it myself.

The age of Aquarius is tracked by when the sun rises on the spring equinox, and to see what sign the sun is rising in on the equinox. Generally, people have adapted to the idea that each age last 2000 years. If we are going to yes the signs as the markers for when a new age starts...then 2000 years for each age wont work.

I personally think it must be observed, not fixed. There is a part within the Bible that talks about observing the 'new moon' and to not ever 'fix' this cycle to a calendar of prediction. I have also learned that its best to observe the true signs the sun rises in as time changes...this is how I learned that the sun really rose in Leo on my birth and not Virgo like astrology says (they use a fixed wheel).

ALl I know, is when I truly observed for the first time, where the sun rose on my birth....and went out and sought that place in the sky....great and amazing things happened to me. Ever sense then, through observing true placements in the sky, I get awesome synchronizations. Ive been saying sense 2008....people need to observe the cosmos, discover them, let them awake WITH your awakening. I ask truly observe can feel the Universe smile at you. It can be very spiritual. Anything of personal seeking....and just not following and believing....will be spiritual. The Universe needs us to be aware...our of our own will...of it all.

The sun will continue to rise in the sign of Pisces for a few hundred more years on our spring equinox. Then it will ride the cusp for a couple hundred years between the Pisces and Aquarius. It will fully rise in the sin of Aquarius in about 500 years, mabey even 600....somewhere around there.

Now people are going to use the general fixed wheel because its convenient, and they dont want to be let down that the age of Aquarius is not coming in their life time like they have been told. But there is no way at all...through true observance of the sky....that in the next 300 years....someone would be able to observe the Sun in Aquarius on the Spring Equinox. They can go to any sun viewing technical tool they need to...they will only observe to find it in Pisces still.

posted on Jun, 6 2010 @ 12:55 PM
ok thanks! can you give me any links that verify what your saying? and also where can I learn about how to find out my real sign if the 'wheel' method is wrong? I agree, staring into the stars at night can be very powerful, but how do I find out what area corresponds with my birth?

posted on Jun, 6 2010 @ 01:31 PM
reply to post by LifeIsEnergy

Most defiantly I can show you how....Im gald someone is interested in seeking what I say out for themselves!

I think I have posted some links earlier in this thread...but I will show you places that helped me as I went along. It was something I tested for about a year...comparing what astrologist would say...then using astronomy for true placements.

The most helpful tool is a program called Stellarium. If you are able to add a download to your computer (and if you are a star lover) you will love love love this program and play with it for hours! If you are unable to download it...there are other ways, they just take a little more time.

On stellarium, you can look up the exact positions within the constellations at any time from your view point. You can also (this is the cool part) go back in time for positions and forward in watch HOW IT ALL CHANGES.

You can go to the date of the Spring Equinox of this year....look up the sun on that day...pull up your constellations signs (lower left corner on the program) and see where the sun sits to the background of the cosmos...and see what sign the sun is in on the Spring Equinox. There are alot of tools that can help you and if you DO download stellarium....write back to me and I can guide you step by step and show you some neat things. Like going back 2000 years and seeing where the sun rise on the Spring Equinox....and then also going forward, to watch WHEN it will start moving from Pisces to Aquarius. If you play around iwth will figure out alot of things.

You can type in your b-day on the 'time tool' (left hand side)....and see where the sun rose on your b-day. Then on the time tool....type in the month and day...but type in a year of 2000 years before today....and see where the sun rose then on your b-day. What this will show you is the difference...of the suns position, due to our wobble...and it is forever changing...taking about 26,000 years to get back to where it began (a great year). You will LOVE stellarium.

A site that you can find out what sign the sun, moon, and any planets are in is below...

Go down to the astronomy section...try clicking on the date for the sun..then try the moon...then try the Planet summary data. This will show you every day what sign they are in....if you check it daily for a long will see exactly the days that the sun and moon changes signs. If you are interested, you can compare this daily with what astrology sites say and you will see....the 'fixed' wheel is very off.

Also on the above site...try clicking on the data for the sun....notice at the top of that gives you options of 'previous or next' and this allows you to go back through the year or forward in the year (even to your b-day if you want to sit and click over and over) to see all through the year the days for when the sun changes signs. If you have the patients, go back to our spring equinox day.....and see where the sun was on that day, in what sign.

To back up some of may check into 'Earthsky tonight' now and then. They dont post daily updates to where the sun, moon, and all the planets are...but they do posts now and then, depending on what they are
pointing out for that day....true positions of the cosmos.

This is a good one to look at TODAY> shows you Mars is in Leo (real positions) and its very close to the star Regulus, the heart of the lion (which was my awakener to all of this). You can actually go out tonight and OBSERVE THIS FOR YOURSELF....that is the cool part. I wouldnt be surprised if through your observing you wil get some really neat peaceful feelings with the cosmos and you.

Im going to quote what Earthsky says for today's page they have up because it shows people how cool sky watching will be with mars over the next while....astrology sites will not agree wot what is said below!!!!

The planet Mars and the star Regulus, the brightest star in the constellation Leo, showcase their conjunction this evening. Two heavenly bodies are said to be in conjunction whenever they stand north and south of one another. Tonight, Mars and Regulus shine about a pinky-width apart. By all means, look at the evening couple through binoculars or low power on a telescope. The contrast of color makes their partner’s coloration all the more conspicuous. Note how ruddy Mars brings out the sparkling blue-white hue of Regulus. View the evening couple while the time is at hand, for Mars won’t be hanging out in this part of the starry sky for long. By the end of June 2010, Mars will have moved more than one fist-width away from Regulus, on its way toward the planet Saturn. Mars and Saturn will be in conjunction on August 1, 2010. Of course, there’s a way brighter planet in tonight’s evening sky, near the stars Castor and Pollux. That’s Venus, outshining Mars by a hundredfold. This world ranks as the third most brilliant body in all the heavens, after the sun and the moon. Venus will be in conjunction with Regulus on July 9, 2010.

If you want to know why they dont agree....go to Stellarium....go back 2000 years in will see that they are using the positions of the cosmos of years and years ago....not the true positions which change over time.

You would not know such a thing, without observing the cosmos for yourself.

Ah...and for our b-day...

You can read this for further understanding, cause I dont explain it really good...

Here is a lnk that you can compute any date...

ANd here is the copy and paste from that site...

Capricorn - Jan 20 to Feb 16
Aquarius - Feb 16 to Mar 11
Pisces - Mar 11 to Apr 18
Aries - Apr 18 to May 13
Taurus - May 13 to Jun 21
Gemini - Jun 21 to Jul 20
Cancer - Jul 20 to Aug 10
Leo - Aug 10 to Sep 16
Virgo - Sep 16 to Oct 30
Libra - Oct 30 to Nov 23
Scorpius - Nov 23 to Nov 29
Ophiuchus - Nov 29 to Dec 17
Sagittarius - Dec 17 to Jan 20

You can check those dates through stellarium or through

If you notice above...the dates of March 20th/21st are in Pisces...this is the days of Spring Equinox. I say days...because it can fall on either or or those days. Just like I stated about the summer solstice, sometimes its on the 20th, sometimes its on the 21st.

Let me know what you discover!!! And what you think about it all!!

Much love

posted on Jun, 6 2010 @ 03:03 PM
reply to post by LeoVirgo

Wow, great! I will respond later after I take some time to look through all this stuff. Thanks!

posted on Jun, 6 2010 @ 11:15 PM
reply to post by LifeIsEnergy

You are welcome. Take your own take on it all...take your time...things like this take observations for your own self to weigh it and see what YOU think about it all. Ask questions to yourself...and seek the answers.

Even if its months later, or even later next year...that you gain a personal thought about this all....I would love for you to return and share what you think.

I think I am to the point of throwing the animals out of the circle...and just deal with the mathematical divisions of the circle, in equal parts. Can a circle be divided evenly 13 times
If so there could be something to that...being the lunar 13 months. I think when men first started using the circle in the sky, the path of the sun, it was divided equally into 4 parts...then later grew in numbers, reaching the 12 part division. Then much later in time, the animals were added. As time goes by, man always seems to just keep adding and adding things...when some things might of been perfectly fine as they were, even if boring.

I hope you are able to get stellarium...if you really want to check things will be the best of help to you.

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