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Topic started on 29-10-2009 @ 10:51 PM by benrl
Detroit, Michigan (CNN) -- Six men appeared in federal court Thursday, a day after they were arrested in raids targeting an African-American Muslim group that the FBI said sought to establish an Islamic state in the United States.



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I know, not all muslims are like this, I know Islam is a religion of "peace", I know all that, but the more i read about the subject the more appalled I am. For a religion of peace this seems to happen an awful lot around the world, areas where muslims move into and grow and eventually take over by any means. Look at the situation in Australia and Britain, how long before we are faced with it here in the US?


reply posted on 29-10-2009 @ 11:07 PM by oozyism
Originally posted by benrl
Detroit, Michigan (CNN) -- Six men appeared in federal court Thursday, a day after they were arrested in raids targeting an African-American Muslim group that the FBI said sought to establish an Islamic state in the United States.



edition.cnn.com...


I know, not all muslims are like this, I know Islam is a religion of "peace", I know all that, but the more i read about the subject the more appalled I am. For a religion of peace this seems to happen an awful lot around the world, areas where muslims move into and grow and eventually take over by any means. Look at the situation in Australia and Britain, how long before we are faced with it here in the US?

There are groups which want Western systems implemented on Islamic nations, you guys already did it forcefully.

It is the same, they think Islam is right, some think Communism is right, some think Democracy ... bla bla bla... waste of time discussing these issues, look at it from a universal perspective, not narrowly.



reply posted on 29-10-2009 @ 11:25 PM by benrl
Originally posted by oozyism
Originally posted by benrl
Detroit, Michigan (CNN) -- Six men appeared in federal court Thursday, a day after they were arrested in raids targeting an African-American Muslim group that the FBI said sought to establish an Islamic state in the United States.



edition.cnn.com...


I know, not all muslims are like this, I know Islam is a religion of "peace", I know all that, but the more i read about the subject the more appalled I am. For a religion of peace this seems to happen an awful lot around the world, areas where muslims move into and grow and eventually take over by any means. Look at the situation in Australia and Britain, how long before we are faced with it here in the US?

There are groups which want Western systems implemented on Islamic nations, you guys already did it forcefully.

It is the same, they think Islam is right, some think Communism is right, some think Democracy ... bla bla bla... waste of time discussing these issues, look at it from a universal perspective, not narrowly.


Really? Universally? I have no problem admitting to the faults of western government when it comes to imperialism and wars abroad, and I have no problem agreeing that crimes have been committed by the government in pursuit of unjust wars.

What I do have a problem with is a spread of any belief system that makes statements like.

"If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats or the uncovered meat?"

Sheik Hilali made this statement in reference to the conviction of muslims in a rape case in australia.


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reply posted on 29-10-2009 @ 11:36 PM by dooper
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No such thing as an unjust war. One side or the other has it right.

And that analogy about uncovered food.

Our Western women are not to be equated with Kibbles and Bits. That covering thing is a Muslim excuse to engage in raping the **** out of unbelievers.

Muhammed was great at it.

Thus Muslim justification.

Try that crap in my town. We'll show you some good-'ol-boy justification.


reply posted on 29-10-2009 @ 11:46 PM by oozyism
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"If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats or the uncovered meat?"
Everyone has a personal opinion, how is this different from mine or yours?
And how did you relate his opinion to Islam?

Once again read what I said:



There are groups which want Western systems implemented on Islamic nations, you guys already did it forcefully.

It is the same, they think Islam is right, some think Communism is right, some think Democracy ... bla bla bla... waste of time discussing these issues, look at it from a universal perspective, not narrowly.

Yes I can bring a personal opinion of a Democrat, or a Republican, or a Democracy advocate, or a Communist advocate or a Capitalist advocate, put it on the table and let you defend it.

I'm not going to defend someone's personal opinion, are you? If I bring a quote from Cheney would you defend it? Because he is an American? Or a supporter of Democracy, or a Nationalist? Or Capitalist?


Just 53% Say Capitalism Better Than Socialism

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reply posted on 29-10-2009 @ 11:49 PM by oozyism
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Police: Gang rape outside school dance lasted over two hours

Investigators said as many as 15 people, all males, stood around watching the assault, but did not call police or help the victim, a 15-year-old student at Richmond High School in suburban San Francisco.

"As people announced over time that this was going on, more people came to see, and some actually participated," Gagan said.

"This just gets worse and worse the more you dig into it," Gagan said. "It was like a horror movie after looking at t

Go for it, show those guys your justification


reply posted on 29-10-2009 @ 11:53 PM by benrl
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How does it relate? how is it different? he is Australia's most senior Muslim cleric thats how.

YOU and I don't have thousands of followers listening to our advice, thats the difference, this guy is a spokesperson for Islam.


reply posted on 29-10-2009 @ 11:53 PM by dooper
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Don't go changing up on me.

I specifically was responding to the words of that turd-Sheik.

That is some twisted logic.

But then again, exactly what his twisted prophet engaged in.


reply posted on 29-10-2009 @ 11:58 PM by benrl
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Id say you would be justified in including that post about the rape in San Fran, if then the pastor or rabbi or what ever of those kids Church came out and said it was the victims fault, until that happens it does not relate.


reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 12:13 AM by oozyism
Originally posted by benrl
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post by oozyism



How does it relate? how is it different? he is Australia's most senior Muslim cleric thats how.

YOU and I don't have thousands of followers listening to our advice, thats the difference, this guy is a spokesperson for Islam.


Read again


I'm not going to defend someone's personal opinion, are you? If I bring a quote from Cheney would you defend it? Because he is an American? Or a supporter of Democracy, or a Nationalist? Or Capitalist?


I guess I have to repeat myself many times in this thread lol

Advice? My personal opinion is not an advice, my personal views are my personal views and is not universal which is always open to discussion. I'm once again not going to defend his personal views, he can say what ever he want it is up to him.

He is a Muslim with lots of followers, doesn't mean anything. His followers make the decision themselves, he is not forcing them to go around and rape people. He has his views, if people disagree they can go and refute his arguments, therefore reduce the number of his followers.

He is not a spokesperson for Islam, he is a spokesperson for the Arabian culture, Islam can defend itself through the Quran, the Quran doesn't condone rape, and condemns them to death in this life, and condemns them to hell in the next.

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reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 12:16 AM by oozyism
Originally posted by benrl
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post by oozyism



Id say you would be justified in including that post about the rape in San Fran, if then the pastor or rabbi or what ever of those kids Church came out and said it was the victims fault, until that happens it does not relate.

No it was in relation to Dooper post, at least make the effort in reading who I have responded to. Read his post:


Try that crap in my town. We'll show you some good-'ol-boy justification.


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