Author of Pledge of Allegiance was a Liberal Socialist , page 1
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Topic started on 29-10-2009 @ 02:35 PM by HunkaHunka
I'm interested in what the general thought about this is here on ATS.

Seems to be me the people who are staunch supporters of the Pledge of Allegiance are also Staunch Anti-Socialists...

But did you ever stop to think who wrote the Pledge?


Francis Bellamy (1855 - 1931), a Baptist minister, wrote the original Pledge in August 1892. He was a Christian Socialist. In his Pledge, he is expressing the ideas of his first cousin, Edward Bellamy, author of the American socialist utopian novels, Looking Backward (1888) and Equality (1897).

Francis Bellamy in his sermons and lectures and Edward Bellamy in his novels and articles described in detail how the middle class could create a planned economy with political, social and economic equality for all. The government would run a peace time economy similar to our present military industrial complex.

The Pledge was published in the September 8th issue of The Youth's Companion, the leading family magazine and the Reader's Digest of its day. Its owner and editor, Daniel Ford, had hired Francis in 1891 as his assistant when Francis was pressured into leaving his baptist church in Boston because of his socialist sermons. As a member of his congregation, Ford had enjoyed Francis's sermons. Ford later founded the liberal and often controversial Ford Hall Forum, located in downtown Boston.

In 1892 Francis Bellamy was also a chairman of a committee of state superintendents of education in the National Education Association. As its chairman, he prepared the program for the public schools' quadricentennial celebration for Columbus Day in 1892. He structured this public school program around a flag raising ceremony and a flag salute - his 'Pledge of Allegiance.'


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reply posted on 29-10-2009 @ 02:42 PM by TheWalkingFox
reply to post by HunkaHunka


Most "supporters of the pledge" actually only support the two words "under god" written into it in 1954. You can tell them all the facts you've got all day long, and they'll still believe this nation was founded in the late 1940's by Joe mcCarthy and Beaver Cleaver.



reply posted on 29-10-2009 @ 04:38 PM by TheWalkingFox
reply to post by captaintyinknots


So pretty much you're agreeing with him. it really doesn't look like you have the faintest clue what socialism is, other than it's something the TeeVee tells you is bad.


reply posted on 29-10-2009 @ 04:49 PM by johnny2127
reply to post by HunkaHunka


Well people completely disregard the intention and intent of the founding fathers and framers of the Constitution. So why should this matter? Start talking about how important this is, then start talking about how far we have all strayed from the Constitution, and how warped people have made the intent of the Founding Fathers of the US.


reply posted on 29-10-2009 @ 04:51 PM by captaintyinknots
Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
reply to post by captaintyinknots


So pretty much you're agreeing with him. it really doesn't look like you have the faintest clue what socialism is, other than it's something the TeeVee tells you is bad.


Thats quite the leap. But apparently after reading one post, you know all about me.

As I said, you all are right, it is more nationalism than socialism. Do I need to keep repeating that?

But, again, read some history, see how those two go hand in hand.
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