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[Jesus] stretched forth his hand and raised him, seizing his hand. But the youth, looking upon him, loved him and began to beseech him that he might be with him. And going out of the tomb they came into the house of the youth, for he was rich. And after six days Jesus told him what to do and in the evening the youth comes to him, wearing a linen cloth over his naked body. And he remained with him that night, for Jesus taught him the mystery of the kingdom of God.
This is, of course, dynamite. It suggests that Jesus partook of a homosexual relationship or ritual act.
The author of the gospel of John IS the beloved disciple
Originally posted by eight bits
Well, saint, when you feel like taking a break from cataloging all you've noticed, please consider reading Smith's find.
Originally posted by eight bits
You'll see that Clement writes in opposition to the lifestyle that bothers you.
Originally posted by eight bits
Personally, I hope Jesus got some while he was here. If he didn't, then he missed out on something wonderful about being human.
Originally posted by eight bits
Whether he liked boys or girls doesn't much matter to me.
Originally posted by eight bits
I do not see how anyone could be discredited by being called gay.
Originally posted by eight bits
Regarding conformity with the Law, last I heard, Jesus was the Law, or at least that's the theory of the case.
Originally posted by eight bits
As to previous discussions of Secret Mark in ATS, I gave the URLs that turn up in the site's search function. Those discussions were about many things. This cannot be a surprise, given the many questions that the incident raises.
Originally posted by eight bits
Coverage of the matter in the current issue of Biblical Archaeology Review is a reasonable and timely occasion for posting a thread here. You may be sure that BAR is not a gay-baiting publication.
I still haven't heard you mention the religious affiliation that would benefit from such a claim, but am sure you'll soon discover it if you haven't already.
"Originally posted by saint4God[/ It's already been addressed before as a "shock and awe" to discredit Christianity (as here it is said that Christ breaks one of the laws set forth by God in the Old and New Testament) as well as promote and alternative agenda of an alternative lifestyle."
Alternative lifestyle? I always thought it was the Christians who are "in but not of the world", and therefore promoting an alternative lifestyle? How peculier.
Just reading "The Gnostics" (Andrew Phillip Smith). It makes sense in a non-sexual context in this setting of Gnosticism. The Gnostics believed that knowledge, rather than blind faith led to salvation.
It is rather suspicious that the modern family unit occurs rarely in the Bible. Old Testament tribes looted for women, and had several wives and concubines (with the blessing of the Lord). Jesus and the apostles were a homosocial brotherhood (how alternative). In fact in Matt 10:34-39 Jesus announces that he comes to tear families asunder with a holy sword.
In this context I still wonder how anyone can point out "alternative lifestyles"?
Alternative lifestyle? I always thought it was the Christians who are "in but not of the world", and therefore promoting an alternative lifestyle? How peculier.
Just reading "The Gnostics" (Andrew Phillip Smith). It makes sense in a non-sexual context in this setting of Gnosticism. The Gnostics believed that knowledge, rather than blind faith led to salvation.
Originally posted by eight bits
Why not help the rest of us out with that, saint?
Originally posted by eight bits
My own view is that all Christian denominations might benefit from a credible glimpse into an early, pre-establishment Christianity that was both orthodox and also tolerant of step-by-step, progressive enrichment of personal involvement leading to a climactic revelation.
Originally posted by eight bits
Secret Mark is a lively maybe as a vehicle for providing that credible glimpse. The current state of scholarly opinion about Smith's find is divided. That is real scholarly opinion, not a plurality of Youtube videos and Wiki articles.
Originally posted by eight bits
Suppose for a moment that Clement did write that letter, and that what he had to say was truthful about how Christianity was practiced before its imperial establishment. What happened to the rest of Mark? What happened to the progressive revelation of Jesus' message?
Originally posted by eight bits
Christian churches surely could use some marketing advice. Maybe Secret Mark can help fill the pews.
Originally posted by halfoldman
Alternative lifestyle?
Originally posted by halfoldman
I always thought it was the Christians who are "in but not of the world", and therefore promoting an alternative lifestyle?
Originally posted by halfoldman
Just reading "The Gnostics" (Andrew Phillip Smith).
Originally posted by halfoldman
In this context I still wonder how anyone can point out "alternative lifestyles"?
Originally posted by eight bits
I think saint's antennae were all atwitter because he interpreted Smith's work as being a slur on Jesus' gender preference.
Originally posted by eight bits
At the end of the day, you are visibly more concerned than I am with the possibility that Jesus was gay.
Originally posted by eight bits
Perhaps your impression about the mix would carry more weight, or possibly even be different, if you had read the conspicuously fact-oriented article linked to in the OP, rather than relying on your sense of already knowing what it says.
Originally posted by saint4God
Originally posted by halfoldman
Alternative lifestyle?
Not my phrase nor the Bible's. If you prefer another, I could use it to better relate.
Originally posted by halfoldman
I always thought it was the Christians who are "in but not of the world", and therefore promoting an alternative lifestyle?
Pardon my attempt at communicating with a modern crowd. I'll keep saying homosexual then for clarity. Though to read homosexual in every sentence may be accurate, it certainly makes for a boring read but so be it.
Originally posted by halfoldman
Just reading "The Gnostics" (Andrew Phillip Smith).
Thanks for answering eight bits question for me.
Originally posted by halfoldman
In this context I still wonder how anyone can point out "alternative lifestyles"?
Hit the dead horse a few more times, I think I saw it twitch last time you did.
One contentious point at a time. Notice how we're still discussing this singular notion?