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reply posted on 29-10-2009 @ 10:46 PM by ElectricUniverse

reply to post by TriggerFish

The hindus say the same in the Vedas. They even mention the atom, and it's structure as well as other knowledge which was imparted to them by a race that lives for thousands of years and live in another planet.

There is also the spiritual side of the Hindu texts in which we experience the different manifestations of matter/energy depending of the knowledge we have and the closer we get to the spark of the "God" that is inside everything.

reply posted on 29-10-2009 @ 10:53 PM by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by Blackmarketeer

The Sumerians said that the Anunnaki gave them this knowledge

Did they? Or is it that Sitchin says that the Sumerians say they received this knowledge from the Annunaki?

1976 was a strange year, Sitchin and Von Daniken must have been engaged in a literary arms race to see who could credit ET's with founding ancient civilizations first.

Sitchin is not the only one that has found this link.

I often wonder how some people cannot see the parallels of the stories, and even the paintings from ancient times which depict UFOs, as well as for example the Vedic scriptures themselves which state that the Gods gave knowledge to men, and also even showed them how to make some vimanas, or UFOs.

But of course some people claim "these texts don't exist and there is no such stories" when there are.

i have seen some people who are supposedly "archeologists" and have claimed that "the vedic texts don't exist and they don't say anything about vimanas etc" when these Hindu texts do exist and have existed orally for at least 5,000 years, and in written form for several hundred years.

reply posted on 29-10-2009 @ 10:57 PM by Blackmarketeer

I read (years ago) a series from Samuel Kramer, a noted Assyriologist, that tribes of people hovered on the brink of civilization in that region for many hundreds, if not thousands, of years before finally achieving it.

One of the greatest mysteries about the Sumerians is their kings list alluding to a pre-diluvian counterpart to their civilization.

reply posted on 29-10-2009 @ 11:49 PM by serbsta

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

i have seen some people who are supposedly "archeologists" and have claimed that "the vedic texts don't exist and they don't say anything about vimanas etc" when these Hindu texts do exist and have existed orally for at least 5,000 years, and in written form for several hundred years.

How can they say that they don't exist if they do? I find that perplexing. But i suppose there is always suspicion and confusion when recording previously oral tales into written form, some bias comes into it surely.

P.S: Check your U2U.

reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 12:25 AM by mcrom901

Originally posted by serbsta

Figure 3: The Annunaki God's(outisde) pass knowledge to the King's(inside) standing around the Tree of Knowledge.

cheers buddy... thanks, great thread.... S&F

just one question.... isn't that pine cone representation of the pineal gland?

YouTube Link

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reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 12:28 AM by mcrom901

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
reply to post by TriggerFish

The hindus say the same in the Vedas. They even mention the atom, and it's structure as well as other knowledge which was imparted to them by a race that lives for thousands of years and live in another planet.

cherio.... also check this....

YouTube Link

reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 12:41 AM by serbsta

reply to post by mcrom901

Well that's one interesting interpretation of it. I didn't actually know that that's how it got it's name. Here's the opening paragraph from the Wikipedia entry for the Pineal gland:

The pineal gland (also called the pineal body, epiphysis cerebri, epiphysis or the "third eye") is a small endocrine gland in the vertebrate brain. It produces melatonin, a hormone that affects the modulation of wake/sleep patterns and photoperiodic (seasonal) functions.[1][2] It is shaped like a tiny pine cone (hence its name), and is located near to the center of the brain, between the two hemispheres, tucked in a groove where the two rounded thalamic bodies join.

en.wikipedia.org...

Well what you're certainly saying hold's some water. Me personally though, i don't believe in all the pineal gland tales that are going around, seat of the soul, eye of the soul, etc.

But good point there none the less.

reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 01:32 AM by sylvrshadow

Hi All,

This is a thread was awesome to read as it reminded me of when, a few years ago, I first started reading about histories that I did not know existed. Indeed it was facinating to read so many similarities shared between so many different cultures and religions. It actually made me laugh as I thought of the old saying "Nothing new under the sun".

I get very excited when some new artifact or structure is found that yet again pre-dates anything before it. Its like finding another clue to something we humans have lost. I often think that because we dont like not knowing a definitive answer to the "how and why" of something, we either discard it as not important or we invent something that makes sense. At least it will make sense for the current standards.

I wish I could add to what the OP has written, but I cannot remember all of the links and books that I read, although some have already been listed. I will give a link to a site that has some wonderful pictures of Sumerian artifacts, called XFACTS. The rest of the site is about support of Sitchens theories, however, please dont let that deter you from looking at the Sumerian artifacts that are pictured.

There are some amazing images there. I am excited about the next series in this thread, as I am sure to find something new!

I would like to know if there are any good books, or writings about the Vedas that are written in a way so as to help a "beginner" read and understand them. I have yet to find anything like that. I have found a few translated texts of the Vedas into english, but I must admit my ignorance as to comprehending what is being said.

This is mainly because I am sure I am missing important definitions of key names and terms. If anyone can recommend a good book or site for me I would very much appreciate it.

reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 01:46 AM by undo

i'm having a bit of a problem with the ENKI and ENLIL thing.
as i mentioned earlier, i've been studying the sumerian subject
for awhile now.

Enki's akkadian name was EA, which i do believe is pronounced AAA-AHH.
Jehovah is from the root "HAY-YAH".......i think these two words may be the same.

reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 03:41 AM by Matyas

reply to post by undo

How in the hecknhell have you been undo, I have missed you!

Well, I have to admit I agree with Rockpuck's assessment, but that still doesn't make me a Mason.

I'll use the ol' Zorgon sign:

Oh, and recall EA were the aliens wossname, you know, Dr. Wilhelm Reich was fighting. Some Universe, ain't it?

reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 04:33 AM by serbsta

Originally posted by undo
i'm having a bit of a problem with the ENKI and ENLIL thing.
as i mentioned earlier, i've been studying the sumerian subject
for awhile now.

Enki's akkadian name was EA, which i do believe is pronounced AAA-AHH.
Jehovah is from the root "HAY-YAH".......i think these two words may be the same.

Yes, Ea is Enki's Akkadian form. I wasn't too sure about the pronunciations, but i did a little bit of reading.

The Hebrew for soul is nephesh, so when it says that Yahweh created a living soul, it is called nephesh hayyah, living soul. So HAY-YAH means 'the living, or live'.

I failed to find anything on the pronunciations of EA as being AAA-AHH and or the definitions of. I only know that EA was the God of creation among other things, hence life.

You have anything more?

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reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 05:41 AM by undo

reply to post by serbsta

also to exist, or to be, so i'm going with the whole I AM thing. that it means this particular individual is an eternally existing being, which would also be true about the spirit but not the flesh. i think of the I AM thing as an example of omnipresence -- a time traveller or rather time lord, if you will. time is irrevelant for an eternal construct.

reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 05:44 AM by undo

i think ea and enlil or enki and enlil if you prefer, are both in the bible as God. in fact, read this:
thedivinecouncil.com...

reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 06:08 AM by serbsta

Originally posted by undo
i think ea and enlil or enki and enlil if you prefer, are both in the bible as God. in fact, read this:
thedivinecouncil.com...

Thanks for that, interesting read, I've saved it for future reference. I think it's quite apparent that the Old Testament itself is polytheistic in its construct, to think otherwise would be to ridicule the literary ability of the writers, which appears to be just fine in my opinion, despite small inconsistencies.

Anyway, back to EA. I'm interested in this pronunciation and definition issue. Where have you found that it is pronounced AAA-AHH, and why do you think that it is the same as HAY-YAH (Yahweh)?

Cheers.

reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 06:22 AM by Maslo

Originally posted by xizd1
Great post! Very informative and will hopefully lead others to do more research on their own. One slight update. I think the latest info on DNA is the shape is a torus not a double helix.
reference: nar.oxfordjournals.org...

This is about how some short strands of double helix DNA curl up, not about the structure of DNA itself.

reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 06:32 AM by Voxxrocks

With reference to the statement made in the OP: "Again I stress the importance of names and their purpose."

What are we supposed to make of the fact that current Egyptians use Masr as the common name for their land. Masr, Misr or Mars, depending on which language you're speaking means, yeah you guessed it. It refers to The Planet Mars.

Of course, we're told it's because Mars was the ascending planet at the time Cairo was settled, but I doubt it.

Think about it... the new comers to this land chose to name places like "New York" based on their longing for places like "Old York". It perhaps gave them a sense of familiarity to use the place name from their former home as their present.

Tie that back into the fun stuff found on Mars at Cydonia and we've got the making of a similarity party!

reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 06:36 AM by undo

reply to post by serbsta

it isn't just yahweh, it's also jehovah, since yahweh is a variant spelling of jehovah. i can't remember now where i got the reference for pronunciation of it, but i believe it was a cross reference, i.e. if this E is pronounced A (as in Apple), and this A is pronounced A (as in Automobile) in the same time frame, then this E and A must also be pronounced A-AH.

remember the AMEN etymology i posted a couple pages back? there's another very interesting thing.

and what about UR-ANU (s)
all the divine councils are interlinked. it's all the same banana including the hindu divine council, egyptian, mesopotamian, chinese and inevitably, nordic.

reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 06:51 AM by undo

This is what i like to call the etymology of the "god" word in mesopotamia

EN.LIL
LIL
ILU
IL
ILAH
EL
AL

the god word goes from being applied to enlil only, to being applied to
any elohiym (divine council member, i guess you could call it).
as heiser points out in this paper:

what is an elohim?
thedivinecouncil.com...

an elohim is referred to in the bible as god, gods, the angels and the dearly departed. he believes it is more of an example of state of being -- et. al, spiritual beings, since it includes the dearly departed and angels, this makes sense.

that's an example where the god word LIL, ended up referring to any spirit being.

reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 08:24 AM by Devino

reply to post by serbsta

Wonderful Post!
I am interested in astronomy and I am intrigued by how I find myself so often reading about ancient civilizations through the links I have taken. They are definitely related in more ways then we are aware of at present.
One example is how the ancient gods were also depicted as planets and their actions, celestial events. Some of these myths can be read as a historical account of astronomical events. I find all of this very fascinating.

Originally posted by serbsta

[size=1]Figure 3: The Annunaki God's(outisde) pass knowledge to the King's(inside) standing around the Tree of Knowledge. [/size]

Might I add that the "unidentified item" in your image appears to resemble a pine cone, or what is thought to mean the pineal gland.
Quiki Wiki.

The pineal gland (also called the pineal body, epiphysis cerebri, epiphysis or the "third eye")...
It is shaped like a tiny pine cone (hence its name)...

The pineal gland or "third eye" is said to be the point of "Enlightenment" or eternal life represented by the "Understanding of the Light", or Truth (i.e. Enlightenment).

Although I have read about this connection in one form or another from several different sources over the years it is mostly due to documentaries from David Wilcocks. There are many truths in his presentations but the overall implications are difficult to believe to say the least.

Add:
reply to post by mcrom901

Sorry mcrom901, I posted in haste.

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reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 09:05 AM by HappilyEverAfter

Thank you for an awesome brief.
I look forward to parts to come.
There is so much, that is not unknown,
some know, and they hide it.
once again great job.