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posted on Oct, 29 2009 @ 08:39 AM
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Bravo ! Thanks for sharing your perspectives ! As a self sufficient multi-media artist of 25 yrs. I get it ! I know I will never starve ! As I look at my reality
from as many different perspectives as I can ! I have made a living and support my family practicing this ! The jump into higher awareness that you have made often includes a sincere need to "share". This beautiful healing
awareness and higher consciousness is often meet with all sorts of random criticism ! Embrace them as you would a loved one ! Your path opens up in front of you and every moment allows for another expression !
Clarity is non-judgemental awareness !




posted on Oct, 29 2009 @ 08:42 AM
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Welcome.

I should start by congratulating you on an interesting read, simple and easy to follow, outlining the main worries of most of the population.

But I will add that although you seemed to have researched these issues, so have a great deal of the members of the community here at ATS, and there are some very detailed discussions already ongoing on every aspect of your thread.

I would advise you, rather than arguing your point with some of the more verbal members here over a simple breakdown of these issues, to start a separate and comprehensive thread for each individual issue, providing links to reliable sources to back up your evidence and clearly stating where fact and opinion are separated.

You should use the ATS search facility at the top of the page to find existing threads on these individual subjects because I believe your research and input will be thankfully received and you will find like minded members to draw in to sensible and enlightening discussion.

On a final note I can see that you believe this information should be available to everyone, well the fact is; It already is! Myself along with a few million others are aware of it.

The real problem is that people are not interested, most are just ignorant but some just cannot be convinced, and you cant save them all, my friend.

So my second piece of advise for you would be to try and find outlets for your research away from the obvious, where there are people who have never heard about these issues, maybe you could make some of them open their minds.

Share your knowledge and keep a cool head and you will do well at ATS, just dont forget to bring your proof to the table with you.

Kind regards and good luck in your quest.

S_G

Edit to S&F

[edit on 29-10-2009 by xSMOKING_GUNx]



posted on Oct, 29 2009 @ 08:50 AM
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I must say this thread was well written and very informative. I understand where you are comming from with this 100% and am thankful to see a spirit share such intelligence with the masses S&F friend take it easy.


[edit on 10/29/09 by Ophiuchus 13]



posted on Oct, 29 2009 @ 09:07 AM
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I agree 100% with the OP.

To cut the OP's long story short, people need to REALISE they can take care of themselves and that they have EVERY RIGHT to do so.



posted on Oct, 29 2009 @ 09:22 AM
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great post...seems like some peole are more interested in negatives and doom and gloom than positives and what CAN be done...

I stopped coming here because of some of the BS that is considered to be real and how one persons opinion is so much more valid because they can argue the best or they other can't be bothered to respond any more.

Food is virtually free in a very short amount of time I have grown my own in the backyard, and the excess yes excess I either gave away or froze it.

Next I will have chooks and free eggs...and if needed ever - meat.

The only part I struggle with is the land issue. I have no problems in building a house out of mud/straw and logs and rocks or what ever but the land is the only problem.

herbs and proper food will keep you healthy simple fact.
Salt isnt bad for you...fat is good for you...etc the list goes on.
Man made salt - fat etc is bad for you...

I will live to 120, people think crazy when I say this..but so what other want or will themselves to be cruel and nasty leaders that only cherish money and or power..and no one thinks thats crazy.

I read in another post today some people praising how a lab and man can now produce life with out the need of a man or woman...my goodness..I'll take real food and real people and less science and GM food, drugs, and Gov recommendations any second of any day of the week.

I think I will go and come back again in a few months and see if this place and some of the people here have changed any...



posted on Oct, 29 2009 @ 09:34 AM
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Originally posted by xSMOKING_GUNx
reply to post by Colopatiron
 




Share your knowledge and keep a cool head and you will do well at ATS, just dont forget to bring your proof to the table with you.

Kind regards and good luck in your quest.

S_G

Edit to S&F

[edit on 29-10-2009 by xSMOKING_GUNx]


have to be the funnest thing I have ever read here at ats....
Proof!!!!
Like the other 50,000 posts of aliens, chem trails, obama, nwo, and every other topic.
i am not being an donkey and some of the topics here are real and great but 'proof' hardly is a pre-requisite to post any nonsense topic or theory about any thing here. And to top it off your condescending tone in regards to older members here some how automatically having more knowledge than a newer member is just laughable...
So maybe rethink your whole attitude and maybe others including myself will find our time here at ats is more enjoyable.



posted on Oct, 29 2009 @ 10:16 AM
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warrenb?

This is not a single line post

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posted on Oct, 29 2009 @ 10:45 AM
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Originally posted by 297GT And to top it off your condescending tone in regards to older members here some how automatically having more knowledge than a newer member is just laughable...
So maybe rethink your whole attitude and maybe others including myself will find our time here at ats is more enjoyable.


Here to stir the pot a little are we?

That's OK, I see you brought nothing more to the table of any worth.

Just to correct my new friend, there was nothing condescending intended, in fact, entirely the opposite! a hearty welcome, encouragement and attempted guidance is all I offered the OP, and hopefully he can avoid the derailments and diversify his own knowledge.

As for proof, if an individual offers an opinion, then an opinion is all that is needed, however if an individual offers substance as fact then unfortunately they will be bombarded by others desperate to believe but remaining unfulfilled without proof.

The answer?

Provide a few links to your research material, simple.


Let me throw in a few:

10 tips on becoming a wild food forager

How to build a debris hut shelter

Build your own wind turbine

Lost technology: Egyptian mysteries

Could people live 120 years?

Wealth from creativity

Natural benefits of fruit

Now, I doubt that these are the exact sources that the OP has used, but if you google search any of the above there is an abundance of factual information to be aquired.

And an ATS search will bring up existing discussions and interested parties on all of these subjects.

As I have already offered the OP good luck with your quest


Kind regards S_G



posted on Oct, 29 2009 @ 11:25 AM
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Well, this is certainly the work of an optimist, who lives in the land of plenty!!

I am not knocking the thread, because the intro is highly important. A lot of people get caught up in doom and gloom and forget to plan for their future, or live their lives in a productive way. They expect every day to be their last, and 20 or 50 years later they are left wondering why they didn't prepare better!!

But, Food is NOT Free for the most part! You have to buy seeds, soil, pots, or land. You have to water it, and keep bugs off of it, and you have to nurture it until it grows ripe. Then you have to preserve it to be useful for some time period! This is not a simple thing, and it requires skill, patience, and most of all room!

Shelter is certainly not free! The OP needs to try living homeless for awhile. Sure, you can crash under a bridge, or homestead some land for awhile, but eventually the authorities, or the land owner is going to come along and trash your shelter, and force you to move on!!

The "whole world" is certainly not equal! Deserts are very tough landscapes, and food and especially water are not plentiful, and just up and moving to another area is not feasible for people because of borders!!

The OP should take some time to visit Somalia, or Zimbabwe, or the West Bank, and then see how optimistic he feels!! Even a visit to Ciudad Juarez would probably be an eye opener!!

In conclusion:
I like the idea of warning people against the negative side effects of immersing themselves in Conspiracy Theory!!


But, the OP should really widen his/her horizons and take a look at how other people live, before espouting his rainbow filled opinions.



posted on Oct, 29 2009 @ 11:41 AM
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First Off .. Welcome to ATS.

S&F for your post Colopatiron.

I understand what you're saying and where you're coming from. To quote the late great Waylon Jennings, "Maybe it's time we got back to the basic of life."

I don't know where these people live that are arguing against some of your points, but I'm thinking that it's in a big city or somewhere close by in a fairly large metro area. Hence the reasons that they can not fathom what you are saying here. Or maybe they're not city dwellers and they've just lost touch with common life.

I think you would have had more success and support if you would have posted this in the Survival section, because the majority of the people that post in there are of the same mind as us.

oneclickaway - There are farmers, ranchers, and landowners that would GLADLY accept a barter with someone. Free Labor for Room & Board. Help them work their farm/livestock/land and many will give you a small section of land. All the trees you want to cut down. Help them grow food and they will give you some for free. Help them tend to their herds and they will provide you with free meat.

Where I am from, we have a big problem with wild boars and hogs. MANY MANY people will pay $100+ for hunting them down. The bigger they are the more they pay. Best thing is that there is no hunting season, or licenses, or tags necessary for you to hunt them. Keep in mind that you don't necessarily want to eat them, atleast not me, but that's not the point.

I live in a small town in west Texas of about 14,000 +-. When you see a homeless person holding a sign next to the interstate, you won't see him for long because someone will stop and offer him/her/them a place to live and eat in return for labor. Some of you may think that that's wrong, but that's the way it should be.

No one is going to give you everything you need for free. Most of these farmers around here have an excess of amount of vehicles on their properties. I know of a few farmers that have given homeless people a job, food, shelter, and in some cases transportation. How fantastic is that? Strangers helping Strangers. People helping People. Humans helping Humans.

I know of one homeless family, husband/wife/two kids, that were taken in. The husband went to work for the Farmer. The wife went to work for the farmers wife at her hair salon. They bought the kids school clothes and supplies and got them back into public schools for an education. I see them around town and if you didn't know their story, then you would no idea that they were homeless and begging for food 6 months ago.

You speak of people as if they are the embodiment of Ebineezer Scrooge. Some people may in fact be that way, however, there are 1,000's more that are not.

Land is not expensive where I am. Tools are not expensive, anywhere. Seeds to grow you own food can be bought at Wal-Mart for less than .25 cents a package. Water is in the ground and can be accessed for nothing more than the cost of a drill and pump, but most people around here already have that and will help you do it for nothing in most cases.

Most of the U.S. still believe in helping one another. You're just going to have to get away from the big cities and metro areas in order to find these people. And yes, you're going to have to be willing to work for what you want.



posted on Oct, 29 2009 @ 11:50 AM
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Hi colopatiron and welcome to ATS. Great first post! I have to agree so much is available just for the taking. i live in the city but I keep a small garden and eat weeds from my yard. I get hazlenuts, pawapaws and persimmons from my trees and every once in a while I get a taste for squirrel with gravy. Bad! bad! what can I say? I like meat.

Now if I could just replace my pain medications with something natural. Any tips?



posted on Oct, 29 2009 @ 11:53 AM
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Food is free? Shelter is always there?

Try telling the Palestinians that.







posted on Oct, 29 2009 @ 11:59 AM
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Originally posted by Asktheanimals
Hi colopatiron and welcome to ATS. Great first post! I have to agree so much is available just for the taking. i live in the city but I keep a small garden and eat weeds from my yard. I get hazlenuts, pawapaws and persimmons from my trees and every once in a while I get a taste for squirrel with gravy. Bad! bad! what can I say? I like meat.

Now if I could just replace my pain medications with something natural. Any tips?


Exercise, acupuncture, massage, white willow bark, capsacin (sp?), hmmmm, I can probably come up with some more!

Now, how do you get away with hunting squirrel in the city?

Also, what about pigeon? I hear it tastes like dove!



posted on Oct, 29 2009 @ 12:15 PM
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posted on Oct, 29 2009 @ 12:40 PM
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oneclickaway - There are farmers, ranchers, and landowners that would GLADLY accept a barter with someone. Free Labor for Room & Board. Help them work their farm/livestock/land and many will give you a small section of land. All the trees you want to cut down. Help them grow food and they will give you some for free. Help them tend to their herds and they will provide you with free meat.


Well, that is one place in America. The OP was talking about everyone. Everyone does not live in America. Everyone does not live in a small town in Texas. Everyone is not fit, young and healthy enough to be doing farm labouring, in fact I don't think the OP mentioned anything much about hard labour, just that food was free, shelter was free, wealth was easy, food can be grown by all and that free food can be found everywhere.
Everyone does not have the money for tools and equipment to grow food, or the skills to erect shelters, even if allowed.
There are whole countries where you can hardly even go for a walk as you would be illegally on someone's land, let alone buy land. And even if you had enough money to buy land, you would not be allowed to erect a single thing on that land without permission of the authorities. If you then erected a wooden hut that did not match up to expectations it would be razed to the ground and you would be charged lots of money for the joy of watching them do this; not that you would have got permission in the first place.
Good to hear this is all possible in America, although none of this would be remotely possible in cities. However, maybe the OP needs to change this to the specifics of which countries this would be even remotely possible in, which small tracts of land this would be possible on...and how any of this could be achieved without money having to be used, if everything is free. And as not everyone lives in a place that would allow any of what the OP claims to be true, then one would need a lot of money to be able to relocate to somewhere one could do this. That is without working out how to relocate to a country that one would not be allowed entry into.
If one bases one's thoughts only on one's own experience, then that has to be said in the post. I.E. I am ignorant of the rest of the world, but in my experience, and in my place of abode, I have found this to be true. Not to post that this is all possible for everyone, as it clearly is not.



posted on Oct, 29 2009 @ 01:30 PM
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Originally posted by qwiksilva
I agree 100% with the OP.

To cut the OP's long story short, people need to REALISE they can take care of themselves and that they have EVERY RIGHT to do so.



Ditto!

I've known this since my first day on this planet. And I've received the same exact responses from the folks who just don't get it. Instead of realizing the many instances they have witnessed the truth for themselves, they laugh and find such things offensive.
All I can say is that it has always worked for me and the others who see things the same way.



posted on Oct, 29 2009 @ 01:33 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

Hello colopatiron, and welcome to ATS!

I really wasn't planning to post in this; I just thought the title looked interesting and wanted to see what it was all about. But after reading some of the replies, I changed my mind.

You see, I understand the OP. I know what he is trying to say. It just was said very quickly, thanks to the character limit (next time I would suggest starting separate threads, each one focusing on one aspect). But in essence, what he said was true.

Food is free! At least, it is if you know where to look for it. That knowledge is free as well; it's splattered all over the pages of ATS. And yes, you can always grow it. Oh, wait, you do need land. So where are you living now? Is that dirt under your feet? Even if it isn't, can you go where there is dirt? Oh, you need seeds... yes, you do. Once. Every harvest produces more seeds for next year; all you have to do is save them. Oh, right, some of the plants are hybrids and you can't save seeds. So why grow those plants? Grow heirloom plants.

Oh, you need cultivation tools, fertilizer, pesticides... those things aren't free, are they? Well, yes and no. You can dig a hole with your hands. You can pull weeds with your hands. So yes, a cultivator will cost you, but you don't have to have one! It can be replaced with work.

Fertilizer, though... that's expensive! Of course, you don't need to buy it by the bag, either. Fertilizer comes in many shapes and sizes. Animal manure makes an excellent fertilizer! Right now there is a compost pile under my rabbit hutch, comprised of leftover hay and grasses, rabbit whizz, and rabbit droppings, that is so rich you could plant a spark plug and grow a car.
Chicken droppings as well make an excellent fertilizer. Believe it or not, human waste is a fertilizer!

Pesticides are another problem. They're very expensive and absolutely necessary to growing food. Well, maybe not. Most people use pesticides whether they have pests or not. And even if you do, there are natural pesticides. Some plants repel bugs, and insectivores are very efficient. The good thing about these little bugs is they really can be free. They're all around me, and I never bought a single one. There are also common chemicals that can be used, and bought for literally pennies.

So food can be grown for free, if you have dirt, water, and are willing to work at it. Now the price of land has been mentioned. Yes, land is expensive. But not all land is expensive! I can, right now, buy 20 acres near me for under $5000.00! Not $5000.00 per acre, $5000.00 total. that's right, $250 per acre. What's the catch? It's unimproved land. There are no electric lines, no city water or sewer, no Pizza Hut on the corner, no anything except trees and brush and dirt. Now, I have been called everything except a miracle worker because I stated on another thread that I feed a family of 4 with $100 a week. Most people spend more, much more. So 1 year of food costs me $5200.00, and most people more. That pays for 20 acres of land to grow your own food on.

Oh, I should mention... that chicken manure I mentioned that is such a great fertilizer? Where do I expect someone to get that stuff? By raising chickens! It's easy; you feed them and try to keep other critters from eating them first, and in return you get eggs, chicken, and more little chicks. What do you feed them? Corn. Where do you get the corn? You grow it (and crack it, but that's pretty simple). What do you grow it in? Chicken manure! See how that works?

The fact is, the OP is absolutely correct. Everything one needs is there for the taking. The drawback, the reason we as a society seem bent on spending money on things that are actually free for the taking, is that we don't want them to be free. For us to live as our forefathers did, off the land, we would have to give up all those little gadgets and luxuries that we have come to know and love. And that's OK! To each his own! But don't ever forget there is another way... someday you might need another way...

Again, colopatiron, welcome to ATS!

TheRedneck

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Oct, 29 2009 @ 01:48 PM
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Look, there is a reason why every nation that built pyramids is not big today(with the exception of China). Those pyramids were built to worship the stars. You may know the as Isis, Osiris, and Horus, but they are also know as Satan, Lucifer, and the Devil. I may be talking like a person who is paranoid, but just bear with me for a second.

Where do you think Aleister Crowley wrote his satanic book "The Book of the Law". That's right, in the pharaohs tomb, in the pyramids.

Everything else you stated, I will agree to a certain extent. If you can't find food you migrate, unless your surrounded(Palestine), or if your nation is mostly hot and a desert(N. Africa). They will die looking for food and water, unless the heat kills them first.



posted on Oct, 29 2009 @ 02:06 PM
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Originally posted by oneclickaway
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Well, that is one place in America. The OP was talking about everyone. Everyone does not live in America. Everyone does not live in a small town in Texas. Everyone is not fit, young and healthy enough to be doing farm labouring, in fact I don't think the OP mentioned anything much about hard labour, just that food was free, shelter was free, wealth was easy, food can be grown by all and that free food can be found everywhere.
Everyone does not have the money for tools and equipment to grow food, or the skills to erect shelters, even if allowed.

You don't have to be young, fit and healthy to do farm work. Anyone can feed animals, collect eggs, drive a tractor, plant a garden, etc. And if you're too old or too sick, then other people will help you - That's the WHOLE idea of helping one another.
The OP's statements are STILL true .. Food is free is you grow your own. Shelter is free if you clear the land of trees and build your own. Free does not mean walk up and take it from some one else.
What tools and equipment do you need to plant a garden? A shovel or hoe. Which can be purchased for less than $15. And it's not very difficult to build a shelter. Four walls and a roof doesn't take an architectur degree to figure out.

There are whole countries where you can hardly even go for a walk as you would be illegally on someone's land, let alone buy land. And even if you had enough money to buy land, you would not be allowed to erect a single thing on that land without permission of the authorities. If you then erected a wooden hut that did not match up to expectations it would be razed to the ground and you would be charged lots of money for the joy of watching them do this; not that you would have got permission in the first place.

What whole countries are referring to here? Where in the world is SO crowded that one would commit trespassing by going for a walk? Unless you plan on building a complex house, you do not need any kind of permit. Unless you're talking about trying to build a shelter in the middle of town, then yes, you will run in to problems. But I don't think that the OP was referring to this scenario, and left it open enough for readers to use common sense to realize it.

Good to hear this is all possible in America, although none of this would be remotely possible in cities.

Read in my post where I said "You will have to leave the city and metro areas." I didn't imply that it was possible. EVERY state has rural areas.


However, maybe the OP needs to change this to the specifics of which countries this would be even remotely possible in, which small tracts of land this would be possible on...and how any of this could be achieved without money having to be used, if everything is free.

That's not up to the OP to provide you with all of this information. He's merely telling you what is possible. It's up to YOU, the reader, to find out what it would take for you to do it in your own area or to make the decision yourself to try to relocate. YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING OTHER THAN SITTING ON YOUR ASS AND EXPECTING SOMEONE ELSE TO GIVE IT TO YOU!!

And as not everyone lives in a place that would allow any of what the OP claims to be true, then one would need a lot of money to be able to relocate to somewhere one could do this. That is without working out how to relocate to a country that one would not be allowed entry into.

No one needs to relocate to another country. Every country, every continent, every nation, and every state has farmland and land owners. Find those people and talk to those people.
You may have to live with out some luxuries like internet, video games, movies, fancy cars and new clothes ... I think that's what's so hard for most people.



posted on Oct, 29 2009 @ 02:10 PM
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