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posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 04:38 PM
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Originally posted by Blaine91555
I'm not a Republican.


And yet who do you think is the alternative to assume those 2010 seats? Folks say they are not for the republicans, but they sure as heck aint saying who they are pushing for to take on those pesky DC dems! I can tell ya right now there is only one alternative party to the Dems that has a good chance.

I mean your either pushing for the republican party or not. Theres not way around it in my opinion.... unless theres a third party the tea-party protesters have in mind? We just need clarification as to whos going to assume all those Dem seats... if ya'll aint republicans??

SG




posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 04:44 PM
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Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by Rhetoric
 


I'm not a Republican. I am equally upset at both Bush and Obama.


Even if you were a republican that doesn't mean I would hate you.


Originally posted by Blaine91555
I do think the Democrats who let the Party do their thinking for them are in denial. This man lied to get in office. He is a bad man. He is no Messiah. He has surrounded himself with horrible people who are doing a terrible job.


Show me one candidate that hasn't lied to get in office. Perhaps on mars the campaign process and voting credentials are different but us humans on earth haven't evolved enough to make wise decisions.


Originally posted by Blaine91555
I'm not a Birther either. My problems are to do with the bankrupting of our country and the attempt to fundamentally change us to a system like the one that is failing in Europe.


The primary reason a country becomes bankrupt is because they mismanage and misallocate public funds. Wether it is intentional or not is not my decision but I would think this happens over a long period of time.

Having a private central bank, called THE FEDERAL RESERVE, goes a long way to increasing debt. It should be abolished and a state bank should take its place; much like the communist soviet union before it turned to capitalism. The money belongs to everyone via the government who are(or more correctly should be) our caretakers.

The problem in america is that everything is private, even the US Government. Its called corporate america and our "laws" reflect that!


Originally posted by Blaine91555
I believe in Freedom of Speech and Freedom of the Press and think the government should never interfere with these freedoms. This Administration scares me because it is clear they want to control the media. Everyone should be terrified of the Fairness Doctrine and what they want to do to the Internet.


I agree! Freedom of speach is too important to censor, regardless if your a hardline fascist, a bohemian socialist or something in the middle.



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 05:06 PM
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Originally posted by Artephius Abraxas Helios
Ok, let's see here:
"Cash for clunkers went "broke" because it was successful beyond their imagining. "

--Giving away free money is always successful, just ask the banks. It was a failure for the U.S.!


"Medicare and Medicaid help have helped literally hundreds of millions of Americans over the years and continue to do so today. They are in financial holes, but saying they are broke is a sweeping oversimplification used for your political ends and is not a factual analysis."

--The only reason Medicare and Medicaid work today is because the U.S. government continues to poor our money into it to keep it going. Your undersimplification of a failed system by saying "they are in financial holes, but" is a desperate attempt to avoid the conversation by making it about anything other than the fact it is a failed system.


"The "war on __blank__" mentality is one that comes from the right....does the war on .....terror, drugs, crime, etc ring any bells, and you are correct, it has been a failure."

--Which is why Obama immediately ended the war once in office!


"Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have helped millions of Americans to buy homes, the private market is one that lead to the bubble and its ultimate bursting."

--The likes of ACORN and people like Barney Frank campaigned and insisted that people who couldnt afford it had the "right" to own a home. Your acusation that the private market caused the bubble is a joke your statement "is a sweeping oversimplification used for your political ends and is not a factual analysis."


"The USPS is one of the most efficient examples of mail delivery the world has ever seen. You drop a letter in your mailbox with a 44 cent stamp on it, and by tomorrow afternoon its across the country, wow, that sure is an example of a failure!?!"

--Have you ever heard of UPS and Fedex?


"Social Security: Come on now, are you really saying you want you or your parents or grandparents to be denied Social Security because it's a failure as well, or are you just playing partisan politics?"

--Are you really..... "you, your parents or grandparents?" .... No no thats not political! Lets not argue the facts......Lets make it about poor old granny!!


"Oh wait, don't answer, that was a rhetorical question.

Your facts are wrong, your arguments weak, your conclusions questionable, and your methods are patronizing to those of us who think for ourselves. Might I suggest you come back and try again after a little nap?"

--People like you can afford naps because you dont think you need to work! Everything should be free. All those rich people should have to pay for it.


--Your facts are wrong, your arguments weak, your conclusions questionable, and your methods are patronizing to those of us who work for a living. Might I suggest you quit thinking its everyone elses responsability to wipe your butt and try doing it for yourself!


-Peace
AAH


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posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 05:19 PM
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Wow, I wish I could give you a thousand stars for that post (Thanks for the OP, but I'm referring to your 2nd one).

Honestly, this administration isn't to blame for the failures that were mentioned in the OP. HOWEVER, they will most definitely take the blame for putting the nails in the coffin.

and for the posters who are having trouble understanding the concept of failure, I offer this. In a world where customers use currency for goods and services success is measured by revenue covering all expenses and thensome.

Financial insolvency equals FAIL. It really doesn't matter if a 44-cent stamp gets your mail to any GPS coordinate on earth. If you have no money, your business is a big giant fail.

As far as Obama goes, its disgraceful that he removed his mask so fast after he was annointed. Thanks Barry for lying through your teeth.




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posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 05:21 PM
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sorry..double post

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posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 05:24 PM
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originally posted by Blaine91555

This is not even really about Obama. It is about the government in general.


Really, I read your OP to say...




In original post by Blaine91555

-All Bills posted on the Internet for 5 days for comments before he would sign any Bill.
-He would sign no Bill containing earmarks and would veto them out of hand.
-No Lobbyists in his Administration.


So tell me then, Who is He?..

You continued.....




In original post by Blaine91555

I'm terrified of a President and his intentions for us. By the end of Obama's first four years there will be nothing left to save. I honestly believe his plan is to destroy us so he can remake us in his own image. I believe we have a genuine megalomaniac on our hands who has very bad intentions for us. Politicians lie and we all know that. This man though is more than just a chronic liar. He want's to bring us down.


So, do you really expect us to believe that "This is not even really about Obama"...?


Come on, you're smarter than that, you had to know we would see through that lie.



[edit on 28-10-2009 by Rhetoric]



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 05:47 PM
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Sorry but I don't waste my vote. I vote for who I want in office even if it is a Third Party Candidate. Most people waste their vote in the mistaken idea that they have to vote for one of the big two. That is how we are controled.

The majority of voters are now Independents and if we all voted our hearts and used common sense the big two would fall and we might get some good people in office. If the DNC or the RNC endorses somebody you can be sure you are about to get screwed, so why do people keep voting for them.

Their biggest fear is that we will wake up because no government can stand up to their citizens and win. That is why they brainwash people into thinking they only have two choices. It has worked so far but we need to be smarter than that. So far our collective political IQ is very low and they take advantage of our stupidity.

Why do you think the Party system was put in place to begin with? It is a ruse to make you believe you have a vote when in fact they control who we elect. We have the power but have been to stupid to use it. I refuse to play their game and if who I vote for looses at least I did the right thing and did not waste a vote on one of the hand picked nightmares they offer us.



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 05:50 PM
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First of all you need to learn how to quote



Originally posted by liveandletlive
--The only reason Medicare and Medicaid work today is because the U.S. government continues to poor our money into it to keep it going. Your undersimplification of a failed system by saying "they are in financial holes, but" is a desperate attempt to avoid the conversation by making it about anything other than the fact it is a failed system.


And why do you think it failed? Could it be because money that should be going to medicare/medicaid is actually going elsewhere? Hmmm

Or is it because AMA(american medical association) wants all social programs to fail so people will be forced to buy private insurance and pay whatever money is demanded of them?!

On the same note, who and why is blocking national healthcare?!

By the way I already know the answers...just want you to think a little!



Originally posted by liveandletlive
--People like you can afford naps because you dont think you need to work! Everything should be free. All those rich people should have to pay for it.


Haaha...thats almost funny!

I don't see many rich people sweating for a $7 living nor having to say "I am sorry for being 5 minutes late boss. I promise to be half an hour early next time"...

They just sit on ats making fun of everyone else that does. And then the corporate government of america steps in to rip them off even more, while all the spoiled rich brats get to send their money to switzerland, bahamas, lichenstein, etc untaxed!


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posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 05:50 PM
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Please learn to use the quotes correctly...it's really not that difficult [ quote ] to start....then [ /quote ] to end; it's difficult for me to tell where my quote ends and your whining begins. I would engage you in a debate here, but you showed your hand when you said this

--People like you can afford naps because you dont think you need to work! Everything should be free. All those rich people should have to pay for it.

Son, I put myself through college, 4 years of the military, and law school. I get up every morning before 6am and stay at the office until after 6pm and work most weekends. I work damn hard for my money and I guarantee I make more in a year than you do, yet I still have no problem helping those less fortunate when it comes to things like health care and other basic human needs. If you think your redneck rhetoric about the rich people having to give handouts to the poor effects me in the slightest your wrong. It's always you low class, low education, low tolerance for anyone not just like you, supposedly good christian folks that scream the loudest when anyone tries to help those less fortunate. For *snip*, no one is going to come and take the money away from your barely above minimum wage check and give it some minority (or worse yet an illegal immigrant) so they can have an abortion. So quit crying and grab a shovel.

*snip*

-AAH

 


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posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 05:53 PM
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I agree with everything except the last paragraph

That gives him too much credit.



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 06:01 PM
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Since Obama is in office, I used his lies as they are the current problem. I'm registered undeclared and refuse to continue to vote for these scum.

I'm not naive enough to use the two wrongs make a right arguement we we see from Partisans all of the time. The right say's yeah but the left did so and so and the left uses the same childish arguments.

Why are we even here arguing anyway? Because they have programed us to do this. No more for me. I'm not going to be played for a fool anymore. I've seen through their game and they are dealing off the bottom of the deck. I'd be an idiot to continue to follow either Party.

I started as a Democrat, switched to Republican and then I woke the hell up. Both are nothing more than organized crime mobs, led by some of the worst criminals on the planet. If it walks like a duck


Our whole system is about to fail and people still sit around arguing over which monster is right. Amazing how dumb the American Public has become. All they have to do is give people a few crumbs and they follow along like good little slaves to the system.

The elections are rigged, the courts are rigged and anyone with a D or R after their names are part of the problem.

Look at health care. We ALL want good health care. Will we get it? Hell no we won't. To even think so is so naive as to be comical. Neither side has a plan that will work. If I talk about Obama it is because he is the Team Captain at the moment of this loosing team. Bush is gone so saying yeah but Bush did so and so is insane.

We are still in Iraq. Why are the D's not screaming about that. Brainwashed you bet. Same reason Bush got away with his nonsense.

Straight up, anyone who is a groupie to a Party Line from either Party is a victim.



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 06:28 PM
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posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 06:46 PM
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One issue: Social Security
It is a line item in the budget because what is in the fund are IOU's from the left, right, left right.
How can you tell if a politician is lying?
His lips are moving.
in 2010 there is a chance to elect 1/3 of the senate - essentially control.
Term limits. Lower taxes.
Shoot everyone at the FDA & FTC.
Can you run in your state?



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 06:54 PM
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Social security, medicaire, and the post office are not broke they all currently sit in large surpluses. They are forecast to be broke at sometime in the future if some fairly simple steps are not taken.

I would agree that Fannie and Freddie are broke, but the truth of the matter is without Fannie or Freddie (and FHA) there would be no home loans being made in the USA at all. I have any easier time accepting their failure because of this.

The rest of the stuff is debatable if it will end up working. Given the situation we were in, anything result less than total economic failure would have to be claimed as an success. If nothing else it held it failure off a bit longer. The alternatives would have meant everyone would lose everything. We still might, but at least we now have a fighting chance.

I think the govenment doesn't do as poor of a job as people think. I would much rather have the government run things a bit more inefficiently, rather than continue to let large corporations take us to the cleaners so their higher ups can live the life of kings. The people that live the life of kings are the ones that crow about the government inefficiencies. They only have their own interest in mind and somehow brainwash a nice slice of the population to go along with them.



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 06:57 PM
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You have mentioned several times that you put yourself through college, spent time in the military and law school. Of course you’re a lawyer, it shows. You also point out how generous you are. That’s sweet, I’m sure the low class and uneducated rednecks appreciate your generosity. The fact that you like to think you make more than anyone else shows a lot about you as well. But after reading through your insults though, I was unable to find where you kept with the topic being discussed.

If you would like to reply to something I said, perhaps you could use some of the education you claim to have rather than resorting to baseless attacks.

I will fix the quotes to make it easier for you.
Have a nice day!

edit to add: did what "ya'll" said but it dont work!

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posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 08:11 PM
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Originally posted by Blaine91555
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Sorry but I don't waste my vote. I vote for who I want in office even if it is a Third Party Candidate.


How many third party candidates are going to supposedly gain those 2010 seats Blaine? I really do commend you for going alternative, choosing who you want, not just between the two parties, my issue is that this 2010 tea party movement doesnt see it that way. We have folks now on the rightwing gettin' ready to rally for 2010 states elections, the issue is these folks are steadfast on the democrats. These folks dont quiet frankly care about the republicans getting those seats, and to be frank for the most part are rallying republican senators.

My issue here, and this is the consensus among the vast majority of conservative ATSers, it that theres this constant assurance that this movement is against the the two party system, and yet we folks howling at only one party? How does that work? You say your for third party blaine, do you suppose thats the consensus of that OP of yours? Do you think thats the consensus of those tea party protestors? It seems to me this as all to do about the Dems, and while I fully understand your ideological differences, I dont buy the talk of supporting "third parties" for 2010.

There are many here on ATS like to reassure everybody that these rallies are about the anti-two party system, but when we get down to the arguments, its about one party, the Democrats. Folks were less concerned about the two party "threat" during the republican party and quiet frankly would promote the republicans to get in if it go the best of the Dems. This has nothing to do with third party promotions, if it did, there would be less talk about those pesky dems and more talk about their favour third party candidates, and I see little of that.

Your OP is a clear example of this rally from the rightwing. This anti-re democrat stance, but this reluctance to be upfront about the secret support for the republican party, and this is what this really is. If this movement was about going alternative, in your disagreement with both parties, your OP would be promoting third parties with pictures and references of both the R's and the D's as the ones you thing should go. Instead its just Dems, and liberals and thats it.


Most people waste their vote in the mistaken idea that they have to vote for one of the big two.


And how are you helping Blaine? Your OP only talks about the big bad dems and voting them out? Infact the vast majority of anger here, 90% is towards dems. Folks like to say they are for neither party, but it doesnt take much to realise that folks are prepared to make way for the republicans just to be closer to their prefferred ideological views, regardless of "the big two" or the "NWO" and so forth. Theres alot of talk about the big bad two party system, and yet all Im hearing are Dems.

Maybe folks should make these rallies center around third parties and not allow republican hacks to walk with them, not this half witted anti-democrat movement that claims to be anti-two party but is nothing of the sort.


The majority of voters are now Independents


Majority of folks will claim they are independents but behind the voting polls they will go different I assure you. Maybe you'll feel alittle better with a republican majority if that does happen come 2010, but that certainly isnt going to solve the issue of the two dominant parties.

Blaine you claim to be third parties, but this movement has been hijacked by republican hacks for months along with the republican mouthpieced media outlet we call fox. You are more than welcome to tell me about your frustrations and differences with the Dems and liberals, but dont tell me this is a third party movement, because from where I can see it, sounds to be like its an anti-liberal democrat movement. Nothing of the sort of a third party promotion.

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posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 08:35 PM
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The problem with the OP is that he doesn't understand that socialism isn't intended to succeed, just to control.


Sorry OP
You failed to simply realize that success to a socialist is simply the ability to take from the productive members of society and use that money to buy votes and create an ever greater dependence on government.

It's the ultimate ponzi scheme.

Just ask the USSR.

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posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 10:37 PM
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Originally posted by sligtlyskeptical
Social security, medicaire, and the post office are not broke they all currently sit in large surpluses. They are forecast to be broke at sometime in the future if some fairly simple steps are not taken.


2009

Link one.

The U.S. Postal Service is taking drastic steps to close a multibillion-dollar budget deficit, but experts and postal officials say even those actions might not keep the Postal Service solvent through what could be a long recession.
The Postal Service plans to cut 100 million work hours this fiscal year. It wants Congress to change the way it pays for its retirees’ health benefits, a move that could save about $2 billion this year. And it asked Congress for permission to switch to five-day delivery if its financial condition doesn’t improve.
Those steps would help to plug a deficit that will almost certainly hit $3 billion this year, and could reach as high as $6 billion,


Now 2008

Link two.


Postmaster General John E. Potter informed the unions and the Postal Regulatory Commission this month that the Postal Service has experienced a 12 percent reduction in mail volume and that in Fiscal Year 2008 (ending Sept. 30), expenses will exceed revenue by approximately $2.3 billion.


The reason they survive is they are subsidized by taxpayer money.

I think the point of the email I posted is also the poor management any government run operation suffers under. It is like a person on welfare. They have no reason to be productive when they can just pick our pockets as they have done for decades.

Social Security is technically bankrupt. They give fake numbers by assuming the money stolen by Congress will be paid back. To fund it they borrow the money. There is no Social Security surplus. That is a huge lie they are feeding us. You can not find an account were the money resides as it does not exist. Now that the government is broke and only three years away from loosing its credit rating; how are they going to replace the money they looted from us. If an Insurance Company did the same their Exec's would be in prison.

It is all smoke and mirrors.

Debt Clock for the uninformed.




posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 10:40 PM
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You need to reread my posts. You misunderstood for some reason.

The whole point is that the government is completely incompetent and that to socialize anything is a road-map to failure.

Please read and you will understand.



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 10:49 PM
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Originally posted by Blaine91555

Originally posted by sligtlyskeptical
Social security, medicaire, and the post office are not broke they all currently sit in large surpluses. They are forecast to be broke at sometime in the future if some fairly simple steps are not taken.


2009


The reason they survive is they are subsidized by taxpayer money.

I think the point of the email I posted is also the poor management any government run operation suffers under. It is like a person on welfare. They have no reason to be productive when they can just pick our pockets as they have done for decades.



Do you have a source to back up the claim that the post office survives only on taxpayer money?

It sounds to me like you're describing a business model designed to cut back in the face of decreased revenue.



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