Fla. man says Home Depot fired him over God button

Not than anyone cares but the founding fathers set up the nation in the Declaration of Independence to be under 'Nature's God'.

This is commonly assumed to be the Christian God even though the founders are primarily known to have been diests and athiests.

Technically the statement should be One Nation Under Nature's God.

That God would naturually be which ever one you worship, not necessarily the one someone else worships.

References to the Christian God did not make any inroads into Government until the Civil War and then as partial concessions by the tyrant Lincoln to gain Northern support for the war by offering Christian Religious Groups something that they had long wanted and been denied.

Denied because the Republic was set up under Nature's God.

It was not until the 1900's God showed up in the Pledge of Alegiance. It was not until the 1950's that In God We Trust showed up on all of our currency. This was done in part because of McCarthyism and the battle against Communism with the biggest difference the Government propoganda could differntiate being the Communists are Godless so they started playing up Religious fervor to support the cost of the Cold War and growing the enslaving and bankrupting Military Industrial Complex.

Note how our theiving corrupt Government is not so blind nor stupid to claim "In government we trust".

Instead they implore you to take on faith something else people have been taught to believe in by faith and by extension of that faith in their God to grant equal faith in the Government.

This is the real danger of why the Founders did not want to mix religious and government insititutions they tend to corrupt one another.

They tend to pervert one another.

Regardless a dress code is a dress code. Nature's God is what ever God you want to make it!

Sorry Christians...cheer up, I am still lobbying to bring back the Lions and they keep saying no at the Health Department!

reply to post by alyosha1981


it's quite simple and i believe TOO MANY PEOPLE don't realize this


the constitution protects you from our government.

It does not say your employer has to honor your religion by letting you wear whatever the hell you want to wear, regardless of what your religion states.

It's a business, they have rights too. Like rights to a dress code, ya know, so they can create their own ideal environment.

Its just like employee's in a business who take additional breaks so they can "smoke"

hell, i'd be willing to take up smoking too if it mean i'd be allowed 10 additional 5 minute breaks during the day...if there weren't all those side effects like emphasize and cancer...among many others.


Everyone has become so incredibly stupid and narcissistic in this society today.

"My rights"
"My Rights"

pfft. Nothing. What about everyone else rights? Why should what you conceive to be your "right" to do something infringe on someone elses right to not have it done?

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Not than anyone cares but the founding fathers set up the nation in the Declaration of Independence to be under 'Nature's God'.

This is commonly assumed to be the Christian God even though the founders are primarily known to have been diests and athiests.

Technically the statement should be One Nation Under Nature's God.

You do know that the founding fathers didn't write the pledge right?

Do you know who did?

A socialist....

oldtimeislands.org...

Francis Bellamy (1855 - 1931), a Baptist minister, wrote the original Pledge in August 1892. He was a Christian Socialist. In his Pledge, he is expressing the ideas of his first cousin, Edward Bellamy, author of the American socialist utopian novels, Looking Backward (1888) and Equality (1897).

Francis Bellamy in his sermons and lectures and Edward Bellamy in his novels and articles described in detail how the middle class could create a planned economy with political, social and economic equality for all. The government would run a peace time economy similar to our present military industrial complex.

The Pledge was published in the September 8th issue of The Youth's Companion, the leading family magazine and the Reader's Digest of its day. Its owner and editor, Daniel Ford, had hired Francis in 1891 as his assistant when Francis was pressured into leaving his baptist church in Boston because of his socialist sermons. As a member of his congregation, Ford had enjoyed Francis's sermons. Ford later founded the liberal and often controversial Ford Hall Forum, located in downtown Boston.

In 1892 Francis Bellamy was also a chairman of a committee of state superintendents of education in the National Education Association. As its chairman, he prepared the program for the public schools' quadricentennial celebration for Columbus Day in 1892. He structured this public school program around a flag raising ceremony and a flag salute - his 'Pledge of Allegiance.'

reply to post by alyosha1981

This quote "under God" was added to the pledge in 1954.

The original pledge contained no such quote.

edit; sorry missed the second page somehow, my point was already made. Apologies for the repeat.


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Why yes Hunka I do know the founding fathers did not write the pledge.

They did though write the Decleration of Independence outlining our most cherished principals (well mine anyway) and founded the nation under Natures God.

Now of course I am being very presumptious that the founders perhaps had never heard of Christianity or didn't know how to spell the word, or were going to say the Christian God but it didn't fit on the page so they went with Natures God because it was fewer letters.

I tend to think though that had they meant the Christian God they would have said the Christian God or the Christian God's name as they were both educated and literate people.

My point being Hunka is that the founders did not found us under any specific named god but Nature's God. That Christians are being presumptuous even though they enjoy a majority of the population, opinion does not over come fact.



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He diffinately got what he deserved. For one, if your employer has a dress code and you refuse to follow it, then they can let you go and hire people who do.

I don't go to work wearing my beliefs on my shirt. I certainly don't defend my right to do so in the work place as I have plenty of time for that outside the work place.

If he wasn't happy with the dress code, he could have quit. They gave him a chance to comply, he refused and got fired. I see no crime in that.

It's work, not church so get over it.

Religion has no place in the workplace, he can do his evangelizing elsewhere. I am sure people wouldn't have a problem with some Muslim being fired for wearing a button saying "Allah is great down with all you infidels!"

So if this was a Muslim or some one from the Jewish community whom was sacked over, being religious, I would guarantee you, there would be an outcry, over religious discrimination, and there would be those on ATS who would be calling this religious discrimination.

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About 2 years ago I saw some of the new UN rules to be implemented in the future.

One new rule was no prostelytizing in public or in the public square.

This would include wearing religious jewelry and religious paraphenalia in the workplace.

It would also mean no religious displays in or on government properties.

I assume it would also do away with those who pass out religious flyers on street corners as well, or moonies who try to sell you peppermint sticks and carnations at stop lights.

Originally posted by alyosha1981
It's a shame when the policy of a company goes to this length to avoid legal liability, this quote is in the pledge and last I checked The Home Depot is an American company.

Please go look up the history of the pledge.

And the core of what America is based on is E Pluribus Unum - - nothing to do with any god or under god.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Not than anyone cares but the founding fathers set up the nation in the Declaration of Independence to be under 'Nature's God'.

This is commonly assumed to be the Christian God even though the founders are primarily known to have been diests and athiests.

How did you discern that?

From everything I've read - - they simply believed something/one created all things. Nature's God.

Of course a few were Christian pushing for the Christian god.

I hate and I mean I really hate to agree with Home Depot on this but I will. They are a business with rules that have been in place for employees to follow.

So the guy got away with it for a year. Maybe no one was offended until now. Being that no one was offended maybe none of the managers bothered to really read all of the rules in place about “trivial” things such as this, God knows our elected officials do not read most of the garbage laws they sign into being.

That being said I will agree with AshleyD on this and say it is great they can keep buttons such as this off of their employee’s aprons; I will keep my money from their store. I like Lowes better anyway, at least for the time being.

As another poster mentioned it would be interesting to see their regulations on jewelry employees are allowed to wear. I can say from personal experience of the past Wal-Mart is pretty lenient on jewelry that is worn and visible when it comes to employees. The jewelry in question was not Christian either so we can leave that argument out by saying they would have felt pressured by a large number of Christians.

Raist

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Hi Annee I think if you read my entire post you will see you and I are basically agreeing on this.

When I say it is commonly assumed I mean it is commonly assumed by Christians that they meant the Christian God.

I am an agnostic so Nature's God works for me.

If it's a holiday though in some one religions and that holiday means I get free tasty food and a day off of work, anyone's God works for me! Well as long as the free tasty food is not fish or tofu!

Thanks.

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Do you have text documents to prove this?

I for one would like to have a look!

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by Annee

 

Hi Annee I think if you read my entire post you will see you and I are basically agreeing on this.

When I say it is commonly assumed I mean it is commonly assumed by Christians that they meant the Christian God.

I am an agnostic so Nature's God works for me.

If it's a holiday though in some one religions and that holiday means I get free tasty food and a day off of work, anyone's God works for me! Well as long as the free tasty food is not fish or tofu!

Thanks.

LOL - yes we agree - - even about the food.

Any Greek Orthodox in the house?

Originally posted by Alethea
About 2 years ago I saw some of the new UN rules to be implemented in the future.

One new rule was no prostelytizing in public or in the public square.

This would include wearing religious jewelry and religious paraphenalia in the workplace.

It would also mean no religious displays in or on government properties.

I assume it would also do away with those who pass out religious flyers on street corners as well, or moonies who try to sell you peppermint sticks and carnations at stop lights.

I hope so.

Although - I don't have a problem with proselytizing. Within designated areas as long as when "NO" is indicated - it is immediately accepted.

Any and all areas designated must allow ALL and Any belief - including Scientology & Starseeds.

YAY RIGHT-TO-WORK STATE! Unions and stupidity can't help you here....BUH-BYE

Any and all areas designated must allow ALL and Any belief - including Scientology & Starseeds.

Scientology or what its name has nothing to do with the topic of discussion so why bring it up?

Scientology is not known as a universal religion, so please quit trying to promote it!

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reply to post by Annee


Is this comparable to the free speech zones in the big summits and conventions?

I think confusing the issue of public thoroughfares and private property is confusing to the conversation here. I may not like what others want to say, but I believe strongly in their ability to say it.

Originally posted by Laurauk

Any and all areas designated must allow ALL and Any belief - including Scientology & Starseeds.

Scientology or what its name has nothing to do with the topic of discussion so why bring it up?

Scientology is not known as a universal religion, so please quit trying to promote it!

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Please quit trying to squash those who believe differently.

I am not a Scientologist - I believe every thing is energy - thought creates.

Why do you fear them? Why do you fear my post?

This thread is two fold. 1. company rules. 2. freedom to display your god.

That would be ALL gods or god belief.