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Originally posted by Legion2112
If eating beef or chicken is bad, then why do vegetarians eat meatless products that are shaped and seasoned to look and taste like hamburgers and chicken patties? Just curious...
Originally posted by Lavey2
one thing I cant stand is the vegan and vegetarian right wing movement, which is basically whats happening here.
disinformation regarding a vegetarian diet puts peoples health at risk, if you look at medical history more people have been seriously effected by going vegan there is an average of a shortened lifespan ranging from 5-20 years.
Vegetarians need to take vitamin pills..... my sister is a vegetarian she has anemia and low iron problems wont listen to the doctor wont take her vitamins and has the working IQ of that of an ant.
I suggest if anyone thinks of going on such a diet, speak to your doctor about the health implications first, a dietitian and the health risks regarding soy products and such.
I guarantee you that there is no such thing as a safe vegetarian diet for a human being and that if you were to be on such a diet you would need to supplement it with pills, now how F#CKING natural is that?!?!
NOT AT ALL.
In fact vitamins have been proven to do more harm than good in some cases with high amounts of selenium in them causing nails and hair to fall out.
WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WIH YOU PEOPLE
Look at the hard scientific data speak to your doctor and a dietitian, and they will tell you the same thing.
DO NOT push ideals saying that its 'natural' and we were supposed to only eat green leaves as that is complete rubbish and any archeologist will tell you the same thing from digging up bones from 50,000 years ago.
Our ancestors hunted animals and ate them, and before that our ape predesessor ate meat and hunted in packs.
This is science and history proving that we have and always will be omnivores.
If you want to go on a vegan diet or be a vegetarian I suggest you speak to your doctor and a medical specialist, not a herbalist, not some spiritual guru, not a preist and not your best friend.
Originally posted by Rawhemp
My solution to the problem? Plant mass amount of date trees, they contain every macronutrient and micronutrient in almost perfect proportions and they are the most calorie dense foodstuffs on earth!!!!
Plants do contain all the essential amino acids in adequate quantities to meet human needs, and even those of children (Millward). Vitamin D is not found in milk or meat, unless it is added during manufacturing. Sunlight is the proper source of this vitamin. Plants manufacture beta-carotene, the precursor of vitamin A. The original source of all minerals (including calcium and zinc) is the ground. Plants are abundant in minerals; and they act as the conduit of minerals to animals. The scientific truth is protein, essential amino acid, mineral, and vitamin (except for B12 which is synthesized by bacteria, not animals) deficiencies are never caused by a diet based on whole plant foods when calorie needs are met. Ms. Planck's distortion of nutritional science is a serious matter that needs to be fixed. Reference: Millward DJ. The nutritional value of plant-based diets in relation to human amino acid and protein requirements. Proc Nutr Soc. 1999 May;58(2):249-60.
Yeah but dates are just plum awful tasting!!
Originally posted by Lavey2
Well I hate to break it to you but margarine is boiled down animal scraps from the abotior that would account for the b12
QUOTE FROM EXTERNAL SOURCE
The only reliable vegan sources of B12 are foods fortified with B12 (including some plant milks, some soy products and some breakfast cereals) and B12 supplements.
Vitamin B12, whether in supplements, fortified foods, or animal products, comes from micro-organisms.
Originally posted by inthesticks
reply to post by Tallsorts
Oh yes, animals know they are about to die, and the Animal Kingdom is well aware that they agreed to be food for Humans, that has been their function for a very long time. It doesn't make the whole thing pleasant, but there it is.
Oh please do expound on how you know this for sure. Do you talk animals and they tell you this. Or it this just something you "believe" and want the rest of us to believe.
I am just one person who no longer eats meat, because it was making me ill; but it's nice not to have death on my dinner plate. Some people become more advanced spiritually, and give up meat, and many more don't.
So, you vegans are more spiritually advanced than the meat eaters? Apparently, you are also more arrogant!
I would have no problem picking my fruit and veggies, but would all the meat eaters like to catch, kill and butcher their meat? It would be interesting to see how many would, but we shall never know.
Well, I'd be willing to bet that folks that live in rural areas have hunted, fished, butchered their own cattle, etc. or know someone who does. Hunters come from all walks of life. Those that grew up on family farms learn how to catch, kill and butcher their meat before they even go to school.
There are definitely meat eaters that live in the city, have never had a bit of interest in where their meat comes from and don't have a clue, but most rural folks know where the meat comes from, how it got there and have done it themselves.
Informed folks don't eat crap from factory farms! I live in rural Texas and natural beef, eggs, pork, chicken is easy to come by. Many of the grocery stores sell all natural meats. And a whole lot of folks can bag a deer from their front porch.
Originally posted by yadda333
Seriously, I know people who started craving raw meat and bone marrow as a result of going veg.
Originally posted by ravenshadow13
When I was a veggie, I got sick, because I weigh 92 lbs.
Originally posted by ravenshadow13Anyhow, I'm an omnivore. Humans are omnivores. Like our close relatives.
Originally posted by bigdaddy7ftr
Originally posted by Aggie Man
reply to post by bigdaddy7ftr
Out of curiosity, at what age did you convert to vegetarian? Was it before or after your growth years? Or have you always been?
I became a vegetarian over 3 years ago, so yes I was already full grown by that time.
However, I have not lost any of the muscle mass or size that I gained while I was a meat eater. In other words, I have still maintained everything I built with my omnivorous diet...there has been no change in this respect.