Eating Animals is Making us Sick, page 19

reply to post by Rawhemp

I see this thread has moved along a fair bit since last I looked but before I get round to reading it through, I thought I should address this fruity concern, to a perceived degree.

First I should say that I consider vegans to be highly moral people with ethical concerns, but I don't agree with their position in these moral matters.

Some of the Jains of India carry a brush with which to brush the ground before them, that they should not inadvertently step on an ant or other such small invertebrate, and accidently kill it. Other Jains wear face masks that they do not breath in microbial aerial organisms and thereby kill them.
On that basis I should stop showering regularly and washing the streptococcal bacteria who I host on my skin, down the plug hole, where they could perish.
Where up the chain of being do you say to yourself it is forbidden to kill another biological entity?
Ultimately I would apply that rule only to my own species, although I would try to respect all others as being part and parcel of the great chain of evolving being that is the Earth Biosphere: Ngaigaia: Ngai is the Masai Earth Mother Goddess, as is Gaia the Greek Earth Mother Goddess:
Combining the two has a pleasing poetic ring to my ears as well as being pleasing to my own individual metaphysical sense & sensibilty, so I would ask your indulgence there:
I should add here that whilst I believe it wrong to kill one of your own kind, if under attack thereto, then everybody has a justified right to self defence:

Orang utans ~ meaning 'Gentlemen of the Jungle' in Malay, I read somewhere long ago ~ perhaps just a poetic fancy!
Because of the relative scarcity of fruit in the rain forests of Borneo and Sumatra, I understand that orangs find it necessary to live mostly solitary lives: Although in zoos where we provide them with all the fruit they need they seem happy to coexist side by side.

Another question that pops up into my head when thinking about vegans is a concern as to what the Esquimaux, as some Inuit are called, think about it. I'm sure that if the vegans of the world were to send the Esquimaux baskets of fruit to eat they would enjoy the gift. I also think that they would insist that they need to eat animal flesh & blubber, if they are to stoke up their metabolism to the degree necessary to survive sub zero temperatures for much of the year, in lands of little or no vegetation.

Polarised 'Good & Bad' in a Bonobo primate organism:
The bonobo primate is in behavior, and on the face of it, a saintly creature.
However, it has to be said that I find their rear ends to be something of an embarrassment to adjust one's gaze to.
In terms of polarities I would say that human primates learn to accomodate perceived metaphysical good & bad polarities within their up & down chakra system:
Where bonobo primates are concerned however, this perceived 'good & bad' polarisation is more visually evident seemingly. It is as if being such saitly creatures, all the 'bad' in the bonobo has retreated to the rear end.
If anybody wants an embodied visualisation of a perceptual biological 'devil' then look to the bonobo rear end for a quintessential representation thereto, perhaps:
Like Janus?
We all have what can be perceived to interpretation good & bad instinctual impulses that need accomodation & harnessing within society:

If we are, as I believe, evolving into a cosmic consciousness species of primate humanoid ape, then we require all the past knowledge and modes of understanding, philosophical, theological, scientific, that contribute towards the attainment of stellar plasma fusion generated neutrinosynthesiser 'Holy Ghost' interstellar quantum leaping cosmic consciousness:
I stress the words modes of understanding over a perception as to modes of behavior, within a given environment:
Vegan good?
Vogon good?