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reply posted on 6-11-2009 @ 12:46 AM by STFUPPERCUTTER
Originally posted by DevolutionEvolvd
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post by STFUPPERCUTTER



Yes, I did.

And most of the infromation that you're basing your assumptions on are from about the same time period.

Had you any idea of how studies are conducted, you'd realize that date, especially concerning OBSERVATIONAL studies, has no releveance.


no relevance?
are you suggesting int eh last 43 years weve not gained significant knowledge and made tremendous advances in medicine?
back then they didnt know many many many things we do now.
its clearly an antiquated p.o.v., one form an era gone by, like your dietary choices will be soon enough.


reply posted on 6-11-2009 @ 12:57 AM by DevolutionEvolvd
Originally posted by STFUPPERCUTTER

3. heart disease -
www.npr.org...


My god. You really are just googling. This is the easiest debate I've had on this website. If you don't read your own sources, you'll never win.

The study included some 545,000 adults who were surveyed about their eating habits. The major drawback of the study is that it relies on people's memories, which are not always accurate.


The truth is, this is just another observational study, that proves nothing. It associates red meat consumption with heart disease, that's it.


reply posted on 6-11-2009 @ 01:03 AM by DevolutionEvolvd
Originally posted by STFUPPERCUTTER

6. diabetes -
www.bio-medicine.org...


Ah yes, ANOTHER observational study. Oh...and watch this:

According to researchers, a diet packed with hot dogs, bologna and bacon can increase the risk of type 2 diabetes by about 50 percent in men.


What do people normally eat with bologna and hot dogs......come on....you know the answer. BREAD!!!!!! This study proves nothing.

Type 2 diabtes is a hormonal imbalance. It's caused by an over-exposure to insulin and insulin resistance. Do you know what regulates insulin?????

Carbohydrate, not fat, are the enemy of diabetics.


reply posted on 6-11-2009 @ 01:23 AM by DevolutionEvolvd
Would you like to see my first GOOGLE post? lol

Cancer incidence among California Seventh-Day Adventists, 1976-1982.

Cancer incidence was monitored in a population of 34,000 Seventh-day Adventists in California. By religious belief, Adventists do not consume tobacco, alcohol, or pork and approximately one-half adhere to a lacto-ovovegetarian lifestyle. Only a small percentage are pure vegetarians. Comparisons of cancer-incidence rates in this population with an external reference population were completed by calculating standardized morbidity ratios (SMRs) for all cancer sites. Also, within the population, relative risks were calculated by using data obtained from a detailed lifestyle questionnaire that members of the study population completed. For all cancer sites combined in males, the SMR was lower in the Adventists (SMR = 0.73). The SMR was also lower in males for most individual cancer sites. However, prostate cancer risk was higher. For females, the all-cancer SMR was lower but not significantly so (SMR = 92). Most site-specific SMRs were lower, although not as much as the male SMRs. The SMR for endometrial cancer was significantly higher in female Adventists.


In this particular 1994 study, as pointed out by the Weston A. Price foundation, the Seventh Day Adventists did have lower rates of some cancers but higher rates for several others(including Hodgkin's disease, malignant melanoma, brain, skin, prostate, cervical and ovarian).

So, please do your research before posting nonsense on these boards. You will be called out if you are wrong.

-Dev


reply posted on 7-11-2009 @ 07:20 PM by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by DevolutionEvolvd



And isn't his *or her* argument a logical fallacy besides? This one I believe:

argumentum ad verecundiam


Argument from authority or appeal to authority is a logical fallacy, where it is argued that a statement is correct because the statement is made by a person or source that is commonly regarded as authoritative. The most general structure of this argument is:

Source A says that p.
Source A is authoritative.
Therefore, p is true.

This is a fallacy because the truth or falsity of the claim is not necessarily related to the personal qualities of the claimant, and because the premises can be true, and the conclusion false (an authoritative claim can turn out to be false). It is also known as argumentum ad verecundiam (Latin: argument to respect) or ipse dixit (Latin: he himself said it).

On the other hand, arguments from authority are an important part of informal logic. Since we cannot have expert knowledge of many subjects, we often rely on the judgments of those who do. There is no fallacy involved in simply arguing that the assertion made by an authority is true. The fallacy only arises when it is claimed or implied that the authority is infallible in principle and can hence be

SOURCE:en.wikipedia.org...


reply posted on 7-11-2009 @ 07:27 PM by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by Divinorumus



Maybe if you tell yourself that enough times it will become true. Good day sir.


reply posted on 7-11-2009 @ 08:24 PM by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by Jezus


From wikipedia for ease.
Murder, as defined in common law countries, is the unlawful killing of another human being with intent (or malice aforethought), and generally this state of mind distinguishes murder from other forms of unlawful homicide (such as manslaughter).

SOURCE:en.wikipedia.org...
Keywords here, with Malice aforethought, but that doesn't necessarily mean premeditation, just means with malicious intent, otherwise crimes of passion would not be technically murder. But, you are right, murder doesn't apply to animals. As I was saying before you told me it was.

[edit on 7-11-2009 by Watcher-In-The-Shadows]


reply posted on 7-11-2009 @ 10:07 PM by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
Originally posted by Divinorumus
Excuse me if this was already pointed out,

but I've not the patience to go through 16 pages to verify.

Anyhow, this should make you meat eaters drool, huh:

What's really in that burger? E.coli and chicken feces both allowed by USDA

Yummy. Bon appétit. Ya'll deserve it. And remember, you are what you eat.


Otherwords you don't know if it's true or not. I highlighted the most relevant line. Yet you are accepting it as true since it supports your rather self-rightous stance. Imagine that. Never saw that coming.



reply posted on 7-11-2009 @ 10:25 PM by Divinorumus
reply to post by Watcher-In-The-Shadows



Not sure what you mean? Certainly it is true that feces is in that flesh and blood everyone loves so much. Heck, have to see what the FDA and USDA allows to be qualify as food?

Funny, isn't it, people will wear condoms while having sex, but they will gulp down a big hot dog and not think twice about what they just did. Ya'll might as well be having unprotected sex with your dinner before you eat it, ha.

Anyhow, just trying to help ya out here by warning you about what's in that stuff. No thanks are necessary. And it's no skin off my back if you want to eat that trash. Really, knock yourselves out if feces peppered death is your thang for dinner.


reply posted on 7-11-2009 @ 10:34 PM by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by Divinorumus


but I've not the patience to go through 16 pages to verify.


Just because you think it should be true does not make it in fact true for one. And secondly you are forgetting that lovely tirade you have been going on for a while now. Remember that whole "murderers" silliness? While you may have forgotten that you did it I certainly have not and I cannot be the only one.
Your perception is skewed by your extreme stance so thusly suspect *meaning you better damn well prove it given that you need no evidence for your opinion and it shows*. And trying to pretend you did not make that stance clear does not mean you did not.


[edit on 7-11-2009 by Watcher-In-The-Shadows]


reply posted on 7-11-2009 @ 11:52 PM by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by STFUPPERCUTTER



Allow me to reiterate.
Just because you think it should be true does not make it in fact true.

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