Originally posted by STFUPPERCUTTER
reply to post by DevolutionEvolvd
here you go
www.webmd.com...
from webMD, a health website, nonbiased. Answer is "pretty clear", but you wont accept it.
Of course not. It's an ARTICLE. Maybe I wasn't clear; I want studies.
It's a health website, and it's supposed to be nonbiased, but the author of the article is far from a nutrition expert. She's a freelance
journalist. I'll go over every point in the article.
A: For heart disease, the answer is pretty clear. Some red meats are high in saturated fat, which raises blood cholesterol. High levels of LDL
cholesterol increase the risk of heart disease.
The answer IS clear. Red meat and saturated fats improve blood lipid profiles. The statement above is half true. Red meats, through the effects of
saturated fats, tend to increase total cholesterol. However, it achieves this by increasing HDL(high density lipoprotein). You'll also be happy to
know that red meat also contains oleic acid, the very same fat in olive oil that is touted as being heart healthy and actually lowers LDL.
Let me break it down. Half of the fat in red meat is saturated fat, the other half being monounsatured(oleic acid). The cool thing is, a good
percentage of the saturated fat in red meat is converted to unsaturated fat once consumed.
This something that your webmd article seems to
forgoten.
The one thing that actually increases LDL and decreases HDL(not a good thing) is......carbohydrates, more specifically processed and refined, easily
diegestible carboyhdrates.
Also, total cholesterol and LDL levels aren't great indicators of heart disease risk. HDL and Triglycerides are. A high carbohydrate diet will
lower HDL and increase VLDL and triglycerides.
More over, probably the most important factor in heart disease, is the size of LDL particles. If they are large, fluffy LDL then they flow through
the blood freely. If they are small, dense LDL then they stick between the cells the line the arterial wall, and oxidize, forming plaque and
SIGNIFICANTLY contributing to atherosclerosis. Interstingly enough, high fat, low-carb diets cause LDL to become large and fluffy(good) while high
carb, low-fat diets cause LDL to become small and dense(bad).
When it comes to cancer, the answer is not so clear. Many researchers say they do raise the risk, especially for colorectal cancer.
It's not so clear because the majority of studies that "suggest" red meat cause cancer are epidemiological, a study in which correlation, not
causality, is identified. I can probably conduct a study linking obesity with increased telephone lines. That doesn't mean telephone lines cause
obesity. In fact, every study in the artilce you've provided are simply observational/epidemiological studies.
These studies are great for producing hypotheses, and nothing more. And researchers that conduct these studies with a preconceived notion typically
see what they want. This is why, as I'll show you, there are plenty of studies demonstrating a negative correlation between meat and cancer.
Meta-analysis of animal fat or animal protein intake and colorectal cancer
Conclusion: On the basis of the results of this quantitative assessment, the available epidemiologic evidence does not appear to support an
independent association between animal fat intake or animal protein intake and colorectal cancer.
In case you aren't aware of what a meta analysis is, it combines the results of several studies that address a set of related research hypotheses.
If you would like to know the differences between studies you can also check out my thread here:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
en.wikipedia.org...
coems from prions. good luck arguing this, as its common knolwedge, but you might find some way to completely ignore what thousands of doctors and
peoepl already know.
Sorry, I must have missed the memo. Are humans dying of MCD? And just so you're aware, according to prion researchers, prion diseases in humans are
caused by inherited mutations, contaminations during medical procedures and, in very rare cases, from diet. Even still, are you saying that prions
are causing the diseases of civilization? If so, please provide some evidence, as prions not very well understood and I would love for more research
into this arena of misfolded proteins.
i can compile a list of foodborne illnesses if you would like, but since ive seen you post in every other thread on this topic im sure your
well versed and fully capable of ignoring the facts already mentioned .
Why would you compile a list of foodborne illnesses? If your body is healthy, in most cases, it can protect itself from such infections. I could
compile a list of complications/intolerances caused by carbohydrates. What's your point?
I'm not ignoring facts, I'm questioning where your "facts" are coming from and asking where the evidence is that supports them.
you jsut may be teh most least informed person on this subject ive seen so far, grats.
Typical.
You're losing ground in this discussion, along with Rawhemp, and you both respond by attacking me, instead of providing some form of
substance. See, you're so sure you're right aren't you?
Nutrition, in general, is a very misunderstood subject, even by the proffessionals that make a living giving nutritional/health advice.
How am I so uninformed? Is it because I don't agree with you and your ideology? Why are you SO sure you're right? To sit here and say that I'm
the most uninformed person on this subject is laughable and ignorant. Is that all you can do?
-Dev
