Originally posted by HunkaHunka


Alan Watts mused that we all have to kill to live on this planet... but we it's how that is integrated into our lives which determines the effects on us all.

This is false, meat is not needed in any way shape or form. Humans only need 2-5% of there food intake to be protein based. Over eating of protein is the main cause for just about every disease and sickness out there today. The fact that most meat comes from unsanitary factory farms should really turn you off to this whole meat eating culture.


My solution to the problem? Plant mass amount of date trees, they contain every macronutrient and micronutrient in almost perfect proportions and they are the most calorie dense foodstuffs on earth!!!!

Originally posted by Rawhemp



This is false, meat is not needed in any way shape or form.

bull#.

human are omnivores much like bears. Ever seen a bear only eat leafs and be happy? no you haven't because if they don't get meat they start attacking humans for their meat. Vegetables are good and all but meat is what we need.

Whether you believe in god or evolution, we still have canine teeth which are used to tear through meat. therefore we need meat.

as for the OP yes factory farms are the cause of most of the diseases with their terrible conditions and questionable practices. unfortunately in the modern world its hard to escape their products.

Well, the way I go about it is I buy a head of steer from an Amish guy who only keeps a limited number of steer, grazes them freely, does not inject them with steroids or antibiotics and cares for them as pets. They are given minimal, if any, grain feed and are treated very humanely. When the time is right he slaughters them and burtchers them and vacuum seals the cuts of meat. By buddy and I split the cost and the meat and then we each have beef for the year. I do the same for the chickens and pork I eat as well.

The cost is actually slightly less than buying at a grocery store or butcher shop. The carbon footprint is much smaller. The product is much cleaner, safer and healthier. Screw this vegan crap - I want steak and I'm gonna have it!

Originally posted by Doc Tesla

Originally posted by Rawhemp



This is false, meat is not needed in any way shape or form.

bull#.

human are omnivores much like bears. Ever seen a bear only eat leafs and be happy? no you haven't because if they don't get meat they start attacking humans for their meat. Vegetables are good and all but meat is what we need.

Whether you believe in god or evolution, we still have canine teeth which are used to tear through meat. therefore we need meat.

We don't need meat actually, if you seriously think we do prove it? Our teeth are nothing compared to a carnivore. Humans arn't bears... We're more like monkeys who happen to be primarily frugivores. Meat doesn't fuel our body, carbohydrates do which come from fruit.

I cant beleive someone can be this ignorant.

sure factory farming might have some health implications thats why I eat free range meat.

Did you know our closest relative the chimpanzee hunts for meat and eats smaller monkeys?

did you know that many apes eat meat as part of their diet?

Humans need meat in order to survive we are omnivores.

vegetarians die earlier than people who have a balanced diet... people who eat too much meat die earlier from heart problems if its too much red meat.

if you think plants contain everything, your right, but not in the concentrations that we get from meat. Protein, iron, vitamin B, you get the idea.

Vegans think SOY is the answer to everything, in fact you want to know why vegans and vegetarians have the same look about them? pale white and skinny?!?!

its called Anemia, and a lack of iron and protien, this is caused directly from an ABUSE of SOY products. Soy is healthy in small amounts but replacing an entire diet with nothing but high amounts of soy and beans and vegtables will kill you.

Soy is PROVEN to cause anemia when eaten in high amounts, this is also why babies are not allowed to be given soy. Even though some retarded vegan parents give their babies soy milk think they are doing good, but cause severe brain damage to the child.

then.. we had the birth of sarah palin.

Sounds like something PETA would say.

I think I will stick with my ancestral Hunter/Gatherer roots. You realize that human evolution was largely based upon our eating habits. Far be it from me to try to change the course of evolution.

I simply keep my meat intake to small portions (about 4 oz. per day) and make sure to buy free ranging/grass fed meats...nothing with hormones pumped into it.

I'm healthy as a champ!

Just my 2-cents

EDIT: wanted to also state that the "24-hour stomach flu" is Waaayyyy overstated. People use that excuse to get a day off work or to get out of a social engagement that they do not want to participate in. There is no real medical diagnosis for this illness. It's mentally generated in most cased IMO.

[edit on 28-10-2009 by Aggie Man]

I would like to see you "No-meaters" trying to survive in nature, like our ancestors, without eating meat.

I'll give you three weeks, then it's over.

Veganism, is a luxury trend, look at the remaining ancient tribes, that still live traditionally, for instance in the rain forest, there are no vegans there.

Veganism is an emotional and psychological condition imo, it's not natural.

Factory farming however, ain't either.