GMAC to Receive Third Bailout Package From U.S. Government, page 1
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reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 07:50 AM by Ferris.Bueller.II
Guess 'Cash For Clunkers' and picking up Chrysler as a customer hasn't helped GMAC much. So, how much more taxpayer money has to be given away for Obama/Reid/Pelosi's socio-fascist vision of America before there is the final uprising?


reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 08:01 AM by mythatsabigprobe
reply to post by Ferris.Bueller.II



How did Pelosi, Reid and Obama manage to implement their socio-fascist version of America back in December when Bush was in control and the new congress hadn't been seated yet?



reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 08:02 AM by kozmo
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Simple - the Bush administration gave them a loan - Obama took them over. I couldn't boil it down any further for you. Hopefully that was simple enough!


reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 08:06 AM by poedxsoldiervet
reply to post by DaddyBare



It seems we are rewarding failure in this country, Just like the No Child Left behind garbage, we get continued bailouts of Unioun Ran Companies.


reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 08:12 AM by mythatsabigprobe
reply to post by kozmo



What you mean to say is the Bush administration gave them a loan with no conditions and no possibility of repayment so the following administration was forced to prop them up with more funds and demand equity in the company to safeguard taxpayer dollars. There, fixed it for you.



reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 08:24 AM by lpowell0627
This is exactly the problem with having government own any part of a company -- complete conflict of interests.

Just like the BoA/Merrill Lynch debacle, the government more than likely 'steered' them in the direction of acquisition. The trade-off? Assurance that no matter what, the government won't allow them to go under. Which of course poses a huge problem when the companies involved have not recovered, but instead are still bleeding.

At some point one has to cut the apron strings -- but since it's also the government's apron, it's very unlikely this will happen.

I'm not sure about the rest of you, but I feel very duped by this whole stimulus bill. Perhaps I was just being naive, but I never realized - or thought about - the fact that this would become a never-ending line of credit. At this point, I am not at all comfortable with the government still having this money to simply dole out to whomever they see fit whenever the need arises. All the while collecting the interest on our money while it sits waiting for distribution to the next leech.

I guess I thought there would be some kind of time limit or something. At what point does one say, "OK....enough is enough. There is no saving XYZ company no matter how much money we pump into it.?"

A protest should be in order. A simple message: "We want our money back. No more bailouts!"

All this bailout money does is extend the inevitable. If they haven't managed to recover after all the layoffs, management changes, cut wages, and billions and billions of dollars -- they are not going to recover. Period.

There is way too much winking, nodding, deal-making, and check writing going on at this point. Yes, it always has -- but the fact that it has become SO blatant -- and with OUR money to boot -- shows you the extreme arrogance of this administration.

No more bailouts!


reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 08:25 AM by lpowell0627
reply to post by mythatsabigprobe



It's the difference between the person that has the money and the person actually writing the checks.


reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 08:26 AM by DaddyBare
reply to post by mythatsabigprobe



It's not really about Bush or Obama...
It is about the Fed chairman Ben Bernanke... he's the one who ran to congress and yelled "The Sky is falling! Quick give me 700 billion so I can prop it back up"! it was never Bush or Obama's plan... sure if it works they will be quick to take credit but if it fails its all on Ben Bernanke... the man with the plan...


reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 08:49 AM by marg6043
reply to post by Ferris.Bueller.II



Occur it didn't the cash for clunkers was for the benefits of China investments in foreign car makers coming from the asian Markets, Japan is doing very well after the clunkers program




reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 08:54 AM by DaddyBare
reply to post by marg6043



From the US Auto makers standpoint cash for clunkers was was a huge failure.... 8 of 10 cars purchased under the program were made by foreign makers... 80% of that money went overseas... how did that help our big three??? little wonder they let that program lapse


reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 08:59 AM by kozmo
Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe
reply to
post by kozmo



What you mean to say is the Bush administration gave them a loan with no conditions and no possibility of repayment so the following administration was forced to prop them up with more funds and demand equity in the company to safeguard taxpayer dollars. There, fixed it for you.


What are you laughing about!? If what you wrote were correct then why in the Hell would they need to be coming back for more money!? Neither you, nor Obama have "fixed" anything. Sorry to burst your bubble...



reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 09:02 AM by marg6043
reply to post by DaddyBare



Oh, but don't tell that to the government because the used the numbers to boost retail sales for the month of august, September and even in Oct they still using the same numbers

Because they can not scrape any other numbers to make the economy show recovery.

Now even with with credits for the first time mortgage the foreclosures are still at an all time high.

I tell you how much can you keep a festering wound cover with a simple bandage before the infection spreads.


reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 09:19 AM by DaddyBare
reply to post by marg6043



I know darn well how bad the housing market is... but that also depends on what side of the fence your standing on.... Yes were we had 3.5 million foreclosed homes a full million more than last year at the height of the sub prime deal.... this year a far bigger number then the 600,000 reported new home sales...

Obama's program to keep home owners in their house brags about helping 500,000 get loan mods to keep their homes... Half a million is still far short of 3,5 million and a long ways off the promised 9 million he claimed...

Here's the flip side... at the start of the month the wife and I added to those new sales figures... we found a mini farm on a foreclosed auction web site... nice place too 4,200 sq feet 4 bedrooms 2 baths all on 6 acres... I had the winning bid at $12,500... With closing costs and back taxes I spent just a bit over $14,000...trust me when I say I could have never afforded this house otherwise.... their loss was my gain but I would hardly call that a recovery either...

If your curious that web site is Bid4assets look under bargain homes


reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 01:44 PM by sos37
Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe
reply to
post by kozmo



What you mean to say is the Bush administration gave them a loan with no conditions and no possibility of repayment so the following administration was forced to prop them up with more funds and demand equity in the company to safeguard taxpayer dollars. There, fixed it for you.


Despite whether you're right or wrong - did either way fix the problem? Obviously it didn't if they are asking for more money. So what does that tell you? That the Bush administration was stupid for lending GMAC money in the first place or the Obama administration was too stupid to realize that GMAC was run by a bunch of morons who don't know CRAP about business?

That realization ought to be wiping that laugh off your face because it proves that Obama has surrounded himself with people who don't know CRAP about how to do their jobs. You satisfied?

Someone needs to tell the current administration that the "Too Big to Fail" philosophy DOESN'T EFFING WORK! Let it GO ALREADY!


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reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 01:51 PM by thisguyrighthere
Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe
reply to
post by Ferris.Bueller.II



How did Pelosi, Reid and Obama manage to implement their socio-fascist version of America back in December when Bush was in control and the new congress hadn't been seated yet?


Because Bush and the 'old' congress were pushing the same thing.

Do you really not get it yet? How many Presidents have you lived through? It's one agenda. The same agenda for at least the past 60 years.


reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 02:24 PM by concerned190
I just wanted to ask if Chrysler and GMAC are the same company. My understanding is that they are. If so then They have been getting bailouts since 1979www.heritage.org...
The book The Creature from Jekyll Island explains bailouts very well. And they have been going on since the 70's.
Penn Central now known as Amtrack and conrail recieved a bailout in 1970 Amtrack still operates at a loss. Lockheed received one in 1970 and is now the governments contract company. The city of New york received one in 1975. Unity bank received one in 1971 however eventually closed after getting $4,463,000 in bailout money(thats what the FDIC wrote it off for anyway). Commonwealth bank of Detroit now Comerica got one in 1972 because Chase Manhattan had 39% of its common stock. Without the bailout, Chase would have major losses but since the FDIC intervened the losses were minimal. BTW, the First Arabian Corp. funded by saudi princes is who the FDIC sold the company to.
First Penn Bank received a bailout in 1980. Continetal Illinois got one in 1984.
And as we all know, bailouts are continuing to this day.

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