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reply posted on 29-10-2009 @ 05:59 PM by Aeons
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holy cow, that's a face only a mother could love.

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reply posted on 29-10-2009 @ 10:35 PM by Blackmarketeer
I've recently picked up an interesting book on H. Neanderthalensis which covers newer research that Neanderthals and modern man may have spent a greater length of time interacting with one another, here is a chapter excerpt:

The general framework and the factors behind the demise of the Neanderthals are still fiercely debated, and there remain many uncertainties in the data. While accelerator dating has purged the record of spurious fossils and confirmed the ages of others, it is likely that many of our current “dates” for the last Neanderthals and the earliest moderns in Europe are minimum ages, from the perspectives of both calibration and contamination by more recent radiocarbon. While the Aurignacian probably does reflect a dispersal of modern humans, it may not represent the oldest such dispersal into Europe. And while much new morphological data support a specific distinction for H. neanderthalensis, nevertheless the modern and Neanderthal lineages may be better characterized as allotaxa. Regarding the factors behind Neanderthal extinction, these are likely to have been many and varied, but almost certainly included the unstable climatic context of the period between 25–40,000 years ago. Finally, taking a wider context on the Neanderthal — sapiens relationship, we should remember that these events in western Europe were only the endpoints of hundreds of thousands of years of possible competition and interaction between these evolving lineages.


Neanderthals Revisited: New Approaches and Perspectives

So man may have entered Europe earlier than thought, and both species may have had contact and interaction earlier and longer than previously thought, with the final presence of Neanderthals in Europe occurring later (about 25000 BC). However this book, from what I've gathered, does not indicate any interbreeding, or contributions to human DNA from Neanderthals.


reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 12:07 AM by Aeons
Ginger gene has been connected as being a possible contribution to the human gene pool from Neanderthal. mtDNA haplogroup X has also been theorized to potentially be a Neanderthal heritage. High functioning Aspies (Aspergers) have a theory that the condition might be connected to Neanderthal.

www.gnxp.com...

The diversity found in the European populace cannot be explained by the current model. However, if you took into account that there were other branches and isolated twigs of the more advanced homo species in various areas....and that the homo sapiens migrating would have had varied amounts of interaction (sexual) with those groups, you could easily account for it.

Asians would have more cross-back with earlier, and then climatically isolated early Cro-Magnon. Europeans would have more interaction (and probably more sustained interaction) with Neanderthal.

Most game during the successive ice ages moved West to East and then West to East. Isolated early Cro-Magnon or late Erectus would have followed this pattern. And then been cut off to develop on their own. In Asia. When the next wave of homo came through, they would have been absorbed. (Probably not nicely.)


While the multiple points of origin theory doesn't get a lot of respect, the fact remains that people in South America were Cro-Magnon. People in Africa were Cro-Magnon. Without any replacement, both groups proceeded to develop into modern humans in very similar ways. No replacement necessary.


One forum has a discussion on this - but I have read it elsewhere as well -
The posit that the cultures with women who have most often been in more gender egalitarian societies might be connected with Neanderthal. That Homo Sapiens have developed more gender disparity, while Neanderthal was more gender equal.

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reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 12:41 AM by imitator
Originally posted by DaMod

Considering when you apply flesh to the skull of a Neanderthal you get this....



Look like anyone you know? Looks pretty Sapien to me....


No no you get this..... an earlier poster mentioned, Nikolai Valuev
Another picture: img2.blogcu.com...


I think Neanderthals are still with us today in some genetic form that is diluted in our gene pool. The genes of Neanderthals and modern humans are more closely related than chimps and humans, and that would make interbreeding very possible, in the end they became us.



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reply posted on 2-11-2009 @ 07:15 PM by Phlegmi
reply to post by 297GT



What does the ark and the bible have to do with this? Noah lived within walking distance of every species on the planet and stuck them on a boat including the Neanderthals?


reply posted on 2-11-2009 @ 07:36 PM by 297GT
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Not going to argue with you, do some reading or not and keep believing what you want, choice is yours and no amount of to and fro-ing from me is going to change your mind. That ball is entirely in your court.


reply posted on 2-11-2009 @ 09:02 PM by LucidDreamer85
Originally posted by rnaa
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post by Blackmarketeer



Highly doubtful. Two different species.

There would be no offspring from such a union.

Some modern humans have sex with sheep, but that is not the source of the modern phenomena of "sheeple".



You just compared a humanoid whos DNA is very similar to ours, to a sheep?

Do you consider yourself intelligent ?

Why is it highly doubtful?

Please give your reasons.


reply posted on 3-11-2009 @ 07:49 AM by Soylent Green Is People
Originally posted by operation mindcrime
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post by Blackmarketeer



Knowing "modern man" i would say that this has to be the other way around...

Modern man 'had sex' with Neanderthals...

So I suppose you know Neanderthals well enough to believe they did NOT also want to have sex with Modern Humans?


reply posted on 3-11-2009 @ 10:38 AM by Aeons
Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People
Originally posted by operation mindcrime
reply to
post by Blackmarketeer



Knowing "modern man" i would say that this has to be the other way around...

Modern man 'had sex' with Neanderthals...

So I suppose you know Neanderthals well enough to believe they did NOT also want to have sex with Modern Humans?


He's making commentary on the usual course of human interaction with new groups.

Kill the men, the old, the infirm, and the children, take the girls and women, rape them, get babies on them.

Even if they are less fertile, only a few being capable of it would be enough. Girl children are treated the same, and probably live short lives. Boys are carefully selected, and the strong used. Most probably don't make it to adulthood, and if they do they don't make it far. Sexual encounters by them are limited to their breathern, and those children receive the same treatment. Read - the males don't bred "up." Unless they distinguish themselves.

In just a few generations you could almost severely limit the Y-chromosone contribution, and if enough girls are badly treated and only their cross bred sons and daughters survive after a couple of generations, the most likely contribution to the genes will come from the surviving males - which will wash out the mtDNA haplogroups assuming that they don't share many of the same basic mtDNA as we do.

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reply posted on 3-11-2009 @ 11:25 AM by Soylent Green Is People
reply to post by Aeons



Neanderthals and Modern Humans lived in Europe together for about 20,000 years. It's not really analogous to Europeans colonists driving away the aboriginal Americans.

I do think its likely that the "overthrow" of Neanderthals by Modern humans was often violent, but I see no reason to assume that Modern Humans were the lone aggressor and Neanderthals were some sort of innocent victim.

If there was violence, don't you think it is equally possible that the Neanderthals felt threatened and initiated the violence towards the Modern Humans simply to "defend their territory". This happens all the time in nature, so why not with the Neanderthals? I'm not saying this definitely happened, but it is just as equally possible as Modern Humans being the initiator of aggression.

Back to what I said before: What evidence do we have that would make people think that Neanderthals would not be as equally likely to 'have sex' with Modern Humans as Modern Humans were to 'have sex' with Neanderthals?
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