Originally posted by oozyism
I see a problem with that quote and that is the fact that 'wrong hands' exists in every society, Americans has as much murderous bastards with no sense of emotions who have deep hate for many people systems and countries.

Those are your words and you'll have to live with them. I don't hate anybody None of my family or friends hate other cultures or people. Maybe you need to seriously reevaluate your perception of Americans. All that Twisted hate, anger and rage you're carrying around will eat you up.

Have you considered therapy yet?

That being said how can we be sure the nukes don't fall in to the wrong hands in the US?

Wrong hands?
I know you have an agenda Ooz it's a well known fact.
Well lets see.

The Korean war broke out MacArthur Suggested using Nukes against the Chinese, that never happened. It was said that the US would create a Nuclear waste land out of Cuba again didn't happen. Some thought the US would have irradiated North Vietnam to prevent them from invading the south.

No sign so far.


WWII. We were already destroying a city a day with conventional bombs anyway. So were the Russians and the Brits and don't think for a second that if the roles were reversed that the Japanese or the German wouldn't have done the same thing to us and that is obliterate our cities to win.

Originally posted by SLAYER69


Those are your words and you'll have to live with them. I don't hate anybody None of my family or friends hate other cultures or people. Maybe you need to seriously reevaluate your perception of Americans. All that Twisted hate, anger and rage you're carrying around will eat you up.

Have you considered therapy yet?

Did you think that quote was directed at you? No not at all, and I don't know how you came to that conclusion.

Originally posted by oozyism
I see a problem with that quote and that is the fact that 'wrong hands' exists in every society, Americans has as much murderous bastards with no sense of emotions who have deep hate for many people systems and countries.

The quote is straigt forward, if you misunderstood this quote then you're behind me and think everything is personal. The quote states that every country in the world has 'wrong hands', I guess that is why I put it in bold, and after wards I stated America also contains Americans who are murderous bastards with no sense of emotion who have deep hate for many people, systems and countries. Tell me which part of my paragraph you disagree with instead of personally attacking me.

Wrong hands?
I know you have an agenda Ooz it's a well known fact.
Well lets see.

I have an agenda because I asked

That being said how can we be sure the nukes don't fall in to the wrong hands in the US?

lol

The Korean war broke out MacArthur Suggested using Nukes against the Chinese, that never happened. It was said that the US would create a Nuclear waste land out of Cuba again didn't happen. Some thought the US would have irradiated North Vietnam to prevent them from invading the south.


No sign so far.


WWII. We were already destroying a city a day with conventional bombs anyway. So were the Russians and the Brits and don't think for a second that if the roles were reversed that the Japanese or the German wouldn't have done the same thing to us and that is obliterate our cities to win.

Twist and turns, the question again:

That being said how can we be sure the nukes don't fall in to the wrong hands in the US?

It hasn't happened in the past so it won't happen in the future?

More so how can we be sure if the American people are choosing the right people when voting?

For you to always pick on Iran is not rational a bit from a universal view of current world situation.

America already chose Bush, what will it be next, we can never be sure. Iran and regime change is compatible, America has regime change every 4 years making America much more dangerous than Iran.

Once again, how can we be sure?

oz

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by JJay55

We can't tell them from the regular population because they are one in the same. They aren't western and they never will be. They don't want to change and they tolerate the Taliban.

Wrong...

Before we ever got involved the Taliban were despised and caught up in a civil war with the Northern Alliance. Which were the ones who helped us overthrow them and kicked them to the curb. The Country was in the middle of a civil war. Why does everybody tend to either forget or over look that?

Afghanistan isn't the West. Iraq isn't the West. The rest of the 57 OIC countries aren't the West. They don't want to be like us. War isn't going to change their mind, they love to fight. It's a job to them.

See you loose credibility right here. They don't love to fight. That's a fallacy. They want peace just like everybody else on the planet. Contrary to pop culture internet voodoo theories. Afghanistan has not had peace for decades. They are tired of war The Taliban were religious nut bags who were forcing their twisted minority view of Islam on the whole country. Forcing them back into the dark ages even by Modern Islamic standards.

No they don't have to be like us. No one is advocating that. We are however guilty of dropping the ball after the Soviets pulled out by not stepping up and helping them reconstruct their country. That blame lies squarely on the Shoulders of the US Government and committees.

The danger come when Iran stockpiles a couple of nukes. They will and then there will be mass destruction... of Islam.

Good God just as I thought your cheese slid of it's cracker you pulled this out.

This is exactly why the west doesn't want Iran to get the bomb. What happens if for some reason there is another regime change in Iran. Whose going to make sure their nukes don't fall into the wrong hands?

[edit on 29-10-2009 by SLAYER69]

You took my post out of context so I'll ignore your insults. thanks. Didn't your mom tell you not to insult women?
Masoud's assassination ended the civil war that wasn't that big in the big picture. Islam is the big picture, 57 OIC countries with 100 nukes in the hands of AQ. Iran has nukes thanks to AQ Khan.
If you take individuals and ask them if they want peace, of course they will want peace. However, in a unit there is different motivation. Again, fard ayn is the duty of all muslims, now in Afghanistan especially.
Who's going to make sure nukes don't fall into the wrong hands? heh.
Israel initially.

Here comes the Syrian oil field burning.
"KIRKUK, Iraq, Oct 28 (Reuters) - The Kirkuk pipeline that takes crude from northern Iraq to the Turkish port of Ceyhan was damaged on Monday morning by an explosion caused by "sabotage action," an engineer with Iraq's North Oil Company said."
All part of the 7 phase plan.

Oh, we're fighting mercenaries now?

Typical American assumption that money will solve all problems. "Peace sells, but who's buying?"

The Taliban aren't terrorists. They're just an extremist group in Aghanistan. They didn't attack us or commit any acts of terror against us. All they did was to give bin Laden refuge in their country. That, by the way, is a very strong custom among Muslims, and to break it (by handing over bin Laden) would have brought an intolerable dishonor to the Taliban and the Afghan government.

I don't know what the Taliban's take is on this offer, but I'm thinking they still have a problem with honor. As far as I know, they've called for a jihad against the US. If this is true, then to accept money from them would be unthinkable. The Taliban is composed of people who honestly believe that if they die fighting jihad, they immediately go to heaven and get all sorts of goodies. Do you think they'll just shrug and say, "Oh, well if you'll give us money, then all right then. We'll stop fighting."? Hardly. Somehow they'll have to be able to claim that they've "won" the jihad. I'm not sure money would do it. We'd probably have to completely leave the country, which wouldn't necessarily be in our best interests. Not after we created so many terrorists by bombing civilians.

Another point. We created the Taliban. During the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, we figured that if we created a Muslim extremist organization and funded it, this would make the Soviet's lives miserable. We were right. We funded and armed these extremists, got them into power, and they kicked Soviet butt. Of course, the Afghans have kicked everyone's butts who tried to mess with them. The Brits got slaughtered there, too.

Anyway, that Taliban we created is still using those Stinger missiles and other weapons to shoot down our planes and kill our troops. That really sucks, but there is a sort of karmic justice about it. We're getting a taste of our own medicine. The Russians are no doubt laughing behind our backs over it. Or maybe to our faces.

Originally posted by chiron613
Another point. We created the Taliban. During the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, we figured that if we created a Muslim extremist organization and funded it, this would make the Soviet's lives miserable. We were right. We funded and armed these extremists, got them into power, and they kicked Soviet butt. Of course, the Afghans have kicked everyone's butts who tried to mess with them. The Brits got slaughtered there, too.

This is a myth. While we trained the Northern aliance mujihadine we did not create them. They were there long before we got there and their beliefs were too. Saudi funded them, not us.
By continuing this myth we apologize for their actions. The Taliban/Mujihadine/Islam is responsible for their own actions. They can stop fighting at anytime and lay down their weapons. But like you said, they won't, it's against their religion.

Always lacking in these discussions is a hard reality that effects practically all people in that part of the world. Money is lacking. For the majority it's a struggle to find enough food, shelter, some sort of prsonal security.

Warlords, militaries, whoever offers some viable protection from robery, rape, murder - are welcomed by people just wanting to raise families in some safety.

A problem is the groups that rise to dominance are better at defeating enemies and less inclined o governance.Fighting, not administering is their strength. And running a place means constantly putting down rebellion. Because the horrible reality is there never is enough food, water, good to distribute to everyone equitably.

A hellish cycle that unfolds throughout Asia and Africa. Who gets fed, who is neglected.


Mike