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reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 02:20 PM by Lazyninja
reply to post by Beefcake



Hah, we're paying the Taliban to switch sides? Not the first time that has happened.



reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 03:47 PM by dooper
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I must take exception to your statement that the MSM is in support of the wars.

They sure as hell weren't when Bush was in office.

Like that little rooster wind vane on the barn? They blow with the wind.

One of my best friends was a Cambodian mercenary, and being a highly paid mercenary, believe you me - you get what you pay for.

If some within the rank and file need a bump to pull their freight and go home, then fine. I have no problem providing a bit of travel money.

But my way is much more effective, and you don't have to worry about them changing their minds later.

This general in charge - he's light years of our other generals - but he still doesn't get it. You have to hunt them, locate them, run them down, and kill them where you find them.

This has been proven twice by the only men to defeat the Afghans.

My great-grandmother Harlan's great-grandfather Josiah Harlan was the first American in Afghanistan. A soldier, spy, doctor, naturalist, and adventurer, he spent 22 years traveling through Central Asia, was surgeon to the Maharaja of Punjab, revolutionary agent for the exiled Afghan king, and commander in chief of the Afghan armies, only to be ejected by invading British. His journal tells of Afghan treacheries and loyalties.

The Taliban can be defeated.

They respect only one thing: force.


reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 04:20 PM by dooper
reply to post by mr-lizard


Mr. Lizard, none - and I mean zero - armchair military experience.

I got mine first-hand. Hard truths, hard learned.

I don't know why you seem to have a weed up your butt over this, but if you can't swallow it, choke on it.

As a child, I shared your limited views on killing and strife in general.

What simple minds such as yours cannot understand, and cannot contemplate is that the truisms of a peaceful coexistence are at odds when it comes to the killing.

I can state with absolute certainty, that those I killed not once, in any form, every caused me another moment's trouble.

About those truisms. They are counter-intuitive. But they are proven over the written history of man.

For example. I know you'll really have trouble with this one, but that's because you have no first-hand knowledge gained through any personal experience:

"To be most merciful, one must be most ruthless." Michael Riggs

Sounds crazy, huh?

You, using your preferences, would rather see dozens of people die, for dozens of hours, for dozens of months, for dozens of years because you can't see that it might be more merciful to stop the killing quickly and with authority and a reasonable finality.

This is not a new concept.

Let me tell you the secret to successful warfare. Credibility. It's all about credibility.

Hesitation, mercy, a defensive mindset, sloth, conflict avoidance, and wasted effort do nothing to gain military credibility.

Alexander knew man. "It is important to win morally as to win militarily. By which I mean our victories must break the foe's heart and tear from him all hope of contesting us again. I do not wish to fight war upon war, but by war to produce such peace as will admit no insurrection."

Credibility. Certainty that to fight this army, you'll ALWAYS lose.

"It is difficult to do one's duty. I was considered a barbarian because at the storming of Praga 7,000 people were killed. Europe says I am a monster. I have read this myself in the papers, but I would like to talk to people about this and ask them: is it not better to finish a war with the deaths of 7,000 people rather than to drag it on and kill 100,000?" Alexandr Suvarov, 1794

Sherman knew what it took. "War is cruelty. There's no use trying to reform it, the crueler it is the sooner it will be over.

Even Napolean. "If you wage war, do it energetically and with severity. This is the only way to make it shorter and consequently less inhumane."

"Limited war means unlimited suffering. Unlimited war means limited suffering." Michael Riggs

This isn't a question of whether a war is right or not.

This is about when you are engaged, how to bring it to a quick, decisive decision that will bring peace.

You hunt your enemy tirelessly, kill them in the greatest numbers, in the greatest concentrations, with the greatest efficiency, in the least amount of time.

When you kill enough, the other side quits.

So hurry and find that number.

And then the killing stops.

And the suffering.

Which is most merciful.


reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 04:53 PM by Stop-loss!
reply to post by newworld



I would'nt be surprized if the government was doing the same in Iraq because ive noticed in this deployment that attacks arent as frequent as they use to, they just stick to IED's now or have been doing so for quite some time.


reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 06:28 PM by JJay55
reply to post by nenothtu


No, it may sound simple in your western terms but muslims don't interpret it the way you do.
Jizya is temporary and subjective. It always reminds non-muslims in Islam of their place and keeps them inferior.
There are no softcore or moderate muslims, that is also a western term.

It's easy to assume that muslims think in western terms but it just isn't so.



reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 06:32 PM by JJay55
Originally posted by Stop-loss!
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post by newworld



I would'nt be surprized if the government was doing the same in Iraq because ive noticed in this deployment that attacks arent as frequent as they use to, they just stick to IED's now or have been doing so for quite some time.

Oh yes, this holy war declared by Islam will last as long as it takes them to convert every last one of us. They planned a distinct 7 phase strategy.
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