Did the USAF Help pull off 911?

reply to post by defcon5


LOL save your pat on your back you have not prove anything here YET.
I have certainly proved what lairs the government and some of the military establishment have been by telling us with their side of the OS which dose not stand up to scrutiny.

Originally posted by impressme
Yet they cannot disprove my post I see the tag team in here doing their work, we just need to ignore them.

You have yet to bring one piece of documented proof of any kind to the table. What you have provided is a lot of speculation, assumption, and opinion, both your own and other peoples.

That is your opinion nothing more. Yet you have brought nothing to the table as to disprove the Air Force is innocent of these accusation.

We the tax payer in this country who pay their salaries what to know why our military stood down on 911? Our government works for the people.
There have been treasonous crimes committed by the Bush and Cheney bunch in the Bush administration:

ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT OF PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH

Washington, Jun 10, 2008 - Dennis J. Kucinich of Ohio
In the United States House of Representatives
Monday, June 9th, 2008
A Resolution

INDEX

Article I
Creating a Secret Propaganda Campaign to Manufacture a False Case for War Against Iraq.

Article II
Falsely, Systematically, and with Criminal Intent Conflating the Attacks of September 11, 2001, With Misrepresentation of Iraq as a Security Threat as Part of Fraudulent Justification for a War of Aggression.

Article III
Misleading the American People and Members of Congress to Believe Iraq Possessed Weapons of Mass Destruction, to Manufacture a False Case for War.

Article IV
Misleading the American People and Members of Congress to Believe Iraq Posed an Imminent Threat to the United States.

Article V
Illegally Misspending Funds to Secretly Begin a War of Aggression.

Article VI
Invading Iraq in Violation of the Requirements of H. J. Res114.

Article VII
Invading Iraq Absent a Declaration of War.

Article VIII
Invading Iraq, A Sovereign Nation, in Violation of the UN Charter.

Article IX
Failing to Provide Troops With Body Armor and Vehicle Armor.

Article X
Falsifying Accounts of US Troop Deaths and Injuries for Political Purposes.

Article XI
Establishment of Permanent U.S. Military Bases in Iraq.

Article XII
Initiating a War Against Iraq for Control of That Nation's Natural Resources.

Article XIIII
Creating a Secret Task Force to Develop Energy and Military Policies With Respect to Iraq and Other Countries.

Article XIV
Misprision of a Felony, Misuse and Exposure of Classified Information And Obstruction of Justice in the Matter of Valerie Plame Wilson, Clandestine Agent of the Central Intelligence Agency.

Article XV
Providing Immunity from Prosecution for Criminal Contractors in Iraq.

Article XVI
Reckless Misspending and Waste of U.S. Tax Dollars in Connection With Iraq and US Contractors.

Article XVII
Illegal Detention: Detaining Indefinitely And Without Charge Persons Both U.S. Citizens and Foreign Captives.

Article XVIII
Torture: Secretly Authorizing, and Encouraging the Use of Torture Against Captives in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Other Places, as a Matter of Official Policy.

Article XIX
Rendition: Kidnapping People and Taking Them Against Their Will to "Black Sites" Located in Other Nations, Including Nations Known to Practice Torture.

Article XX
Imprisoning Children.

Article XXI
Misleading Congress and the American People About Threats from Iran, and Supporting Terrorist Organizations Within Iran, With the Goal of Overthrowing the Iranian Government.

Article XXII
Creating Secret Laws.

Article XXIII
Violation of the Posse Comitatus Act.

Article XXIV
Spying on American Citizens, Without a Court-Ordered Warrant, in Violation of the Law and the Fourth Amendment.

Article XXV
Directing Telecommunications Companies to Create an Illegal and Unconstitutional Database of the Private Telephone Numbers and Emails of American Citizens.

Article XXVI
Announcing the Intent to Violate Laws with Signing Statements.

Article XXVII
Failing to Comply with Congressional Subpoenas and Instructing Former Employees Not to Comply.

Article XXVIII
Tampering with Free and Fair Elections, Corruption of the Administration of Justice.

Article XXIX
Conspiracy to Violate the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

Article XXX
Misleading Congress and the American People in an Attempt to Destroy Medicare.

Article XXXI
Katrina: Failure to Plan for the Predicted Disaster of Hurricane Katrina, Failure to Respond to a Civil Emergency.

Article XXXII
Misleading Congress and the American People, Systematically Undermining Efforts to Address Global Climate Change.

Article XXXIII
Repeatedly Ignored and Failed to Respond to High Level Intelligence Warnings of Planned Terrorist Attacks in the US, Prior to 911.

Article XXXIV
Obstruction of the Investigation into the Attacks of September 11, 2001.

Article XXXV
Endangering the Health of 911 First Responders.

kucinich.house.gov...

Is this what you are defending?

Looks to me that a handful of experts in aviation and demolition in our military loyal to “Grimacing” Dick Cheney help the Bush administration pull off a false flag operation.
All the evidences points to the White House and part of our military. That is why all these officials are having a problem in keeping their stories straight. In fact they have all lied so much and so bad that the OS is crumbly right before our eyes. Yet you defend these people, why? Is the truth not important to you because, you don’t have it. Neither do we at this time.

Is you pride and patriotism worth more than the truth?



[edit on 29-10-2009 by impressme]

reply to post by impressme

Originally posted by impressme
LOL save your pat on your back you have not prove anything here YET.
I have certainly proved what lairs the government and some of the military establishment have been by telling us with their side of the OS which dose not stand up to scrutiny.
You have yet to bring one piece of documented proof of any kind to the table. What you have provided is a lot of speculation, assumption, and opinion, both your own and other peoples.

So now FAA rules, specifically about airspace, and who controls it, is my opinion? Or that an EA-6B is an A-6 Intruder, and not a TACAMO plane, is assumption? That the Air Force monitors the DEW and BAR lines, is speculation? Just how badly indoctrinated do you have to be to actually believe the stuff your shoveling on here? How about the fact that no aircraft interception in the history of the Air Force would have been fast enough to stop what happened on 911. Then even if they would have intercepted them, they could not have stopped it from happening.

So far, from you, I have seen quotes from peoples opinion stated as though they are facts, while the stuff I have posted is all provable fact backed up by aviation regulations.

Originally posted by impressme
We the tax payer in this country who pay their salaries what to know why our military stood down on 911?

Because, they weren’t, other then in truther speculation land.

Originally posted by impressme
ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT OF PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH
Washington, Jun 10, 2008 - Dennis J. Kucinich of Ohio
kucinich.house.gov...

Yeah, I am familiar with Kucinich, he is the same nutter that let the UFO group slip the Chemtrail crap into another document he put before the house, and got his but laughed back out on the street.

Originally posted by impressme
Looks to me that a handful of experts in aviation and demolition in our military loyal to “Grimacing” Dick Cheney help the Bush administration pull off a false flag operation.

Prove it…
You have proven jack-bunkiss so far. Its all speculation on your part.

Originally posted by impressme
Is you pride and patriotism worth more than the truth?

I don’t see any discrepancy with any of the events of that day, though some of the financial issues before and after are somewhat suspicious. I am still certain that the event went down the way they state it did, regardless of who was ultimately behind the financing of such events, or who made a profit out of it.

You know you can all still have your conspiracy minus all the bogus nonsense about no planes, explosives, missiles, holograms, etc… and normal folks might actually start to listen to you and respect your opinions. Its all the BS nutter crap, immature behavior, harassment, and forcing of your incorrect opinions on people, that makes others not want to associate with you guys.



[edit on 10/29/2009 by defcon5]

reply to post by defcon5


Yet you are still posting to me.

Well I guess the Air Force did have something to do with 911, four pages and no one to prove the Air Force is innocent of helping the Bush administration to pull of a false flag operation. I guess Dick Cheney stand down orders worked so the Air Force could remote controlee fly those planes into the WTC. Since the Hijackers and airplanes were never properly identified, “false identities, no serial numbers”. I believe the government is making false claims and giving us false evidence and that is why there is no “creditable proof” to verify the evidence that they claim they have.

reply to post by impressme


I truly hope you do not use that type of reasoning in your daily life. Because I have yet to see you offer any evidence that Bush, Cheney, the Air Force or the Tooth Fairy carried out 9/11.

reply to post by Swampfox46_1999

I truly hope you do not use that type of reasoning in your daily life. Because I have yet to see you offer any evidence that Bush, Cheney, the Air Force or the Tooth Fairy carried out 9/11.

I haven’t seen you offer any proof that the Air force is “not capable” of flying airplanes into buildings, If you want to believe in a fairytale that is your business but, don’t expect the rest of us to believe in your nonsense.

Originally posted by impressme
I believe the government is making false claims and giving us false evidence and that is why there is no “creditable proof” to verify the evidence that they claim they have.

What was that line from the OP?

In this debate Please lets leave out “opinions as your facts”

That huge thump you heard was the thread author's credibility...bouncing as it hit the deck.

reply to post by impressme


If I wanted to believe in a fairy tale...I would be believing what you do. No thanks, I will stick with reality.

reply to post by trebor451

That huge thump you heard was the thread author's credibility...bouncing as it hit the deck.

That same thump you heard fooled you into believing in a fairytale.

reply to post by Swampfox46_1999

If I wanted to believe in a fairy tale...I would be believing what you do. No thanks, I will stick with reality.

Your reality is not normal as you have demonstrated it repeatedly.

Air Force help do 911 and you cannot disprove it.



[edit on 30-10-2009 by impressme]

reply to post by impressme

What a lie!
Over 30 years of service in the USAF; your post is pathetic slander.
All the personnel in the USAF would have stopped the terrorists if they could. How utterly ridiculous, you imply there were combat patrols of the skies before 9/11 ready to shoot down hijacked planes. Who spreads fantasy of a stand-down when no hijacked plane in the free world has been shot down? If you want passenger planes shot down move to the old Soviet Union who shot down innocent civilians for no reason.

I have worked with soldiers who would break rules, disobeyed orders to save lives and live up to their oath! Is the stand-down a despicable lie based on delusions, or talk to support terrorists? If someone told the military to stand-down, the military would act quicker and reported the traitor! Military members would act on their own to live up to their oath, (there comes a time in the military when we discover we are the point of the stick, and we can exercise judgment to make the right decision)

“I WILL SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AGAINST ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC; THAT I WILL BEAR TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE TO THE SAME; THAT I TAKE THIS OBLIGATION FREELY, WITHOUT ANY MENTAL RESERVATION OR PURPOSE OF EVASION; AND THAT I WILL WELL AND FAITHFULLY DISCHARGE THE DUTIES OF THE OFFICE UPON WHICH I AM ABOUT TO ENTER. SO HELP ME GOD" What is your oath? To tell lies and make up failed ideas based on uniformed opinions?

What is the oath the delusion spreaders of a stand-down take; to make up lies and slander those who volunteer to serve the USA? Not even the terrorists make up lies like this.

Delusions of a stand-down on September 11th are not based on reality. 8 years far out conspiracy theories dismissed as fantasy and the product of lack of knowledge and an overactive conspiracy minded imagination. The far out theories failed to prove a stand-down, but do prove lack of knowledge.

The USAF did not help do 911 and you will never prove your opinion. I was on active duty on 911, there was no stand-down order; oops you are proved wrong. You could have asked some USAF people, but you choose to share your opinion based on nothing.

reply to post by iSunTzu

What a lie!

It is not a lie until it is proven either way. If you feel the Air Force is completely innocent and is not capable of pulling off such a defeat then show your proof?

Do not misunderstand me, I did not claim, nor do I believe our “entire military” is behind this false flag operation. I have “repeatedly” said a small group of experts in aviation and demolition that were loyal to Dick Cheney.

Over 30 years of service in the USAF; your post is pathetic slander.

Your response is nothing more than a knee jerk reaction with out researching anything.
My family has 25 years in the Air Force and we have traveled the world. So you are not telling me anything I don’t know.

As far as slander, who have I slander? Give me a name? Prove I slander anyone in the Air Force.

All the personnel in the USAF would have stopped the terrorists if they could.

I really believe you are right, but it did not happen that way, did it.

How utterly ridiculous, you imply there were combat patrols of the skies before 9/11 ready to shoot down hijacked planes.

I didn’t make no such statement? If I have please demonstrate where I have.

Who spreads fantasy of a stand-down when no hijacked plane in the free world has been shot down?

DOT Mineta Confirms Cheney Ordered Stand Down on 9/11

www.dailymotion.com...

Mineta, Cheney and Athe orders still stand@ controversy:

www.journalof911studies.com...

If you want passenger planes shot down move to the old Soviet Union who shot down innocent civilians for no reason.

Operation Northwoods

Operation Northwoods, or Northwoods, was a false-flag plan, proposed within the United States government in 1962. The plan called for CIA or other operatives to commit apparent acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Castro-led Cuba. One plan was to "develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington".
This operation is especially notable in that it included plans for hijackings and bombings followed by the use of phony evidence that would blame the terrorist acts on a foreign government, namely Cuba.
The plan stated:
The desired resultant from the execution of this plan would be to place the United States in the apparent position of suffering defensible grievances from a rash and irresponsible government of Cuba and to develop an international image of a Cuban threat to peace in the Western Hemisphere.
Operation Northwoods was drafted by the Joint Chiefs of Staff and signed by then-Chairman Lyman Lemnitzer, and sent to the Secretary of Defense.
Several other proposals were listed, including the real or simulated actions against various U.S military and civilian targets. Operation Northwoods was part of the U.S. government's Cuban Project (Operation Mongoose) anti-Castro initiative. It was never officially accepted or executed.

en.wikipedia.org...

Had John F Kennedy not put a stop to these criminals in our military and congress this event “would” have happened? You are ignorant to the fact that our military is quite capable of shooting down any of our own civilian aircrafts when ever order to do so.

Is the stand-down a despicable lie based on delusions, or talk to support terrorists?

I just prove it true.

If someone told the military to stand-down, the military would act quicker and reported the traitor!

Really! The only proof we do have is Dick Cheney made his orders clear to Mineta and he testified to Congress about Dick Cheney given the orders.

Minetta tells 9/11 Commission Cheney knew exact flight path

www.youtube.com...

Norman Mineta Proves Cheney Lied About 9/11

Former Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta's testimony about Dick Cheney's stand-down order as the plane approached the Pentagon has been confirmed.
When faced with former Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta's testimony -- about Dick Cheney's stand-down order as the plane approached the Pentagon -- Defenders of the official story have tried to discredit Mineta by saying that he got his times mixed up.

Specifically, Mineta claims:
"When I got to the White House, it was being evacuated. I met briefly with Richard Clark, a National Security Council staff member, who had no new information. Then the Secret Service escorted me down to the Presidential Emergency Operations Center, otherwise known as the PEOC."

***

I was made aware of it during the time that the airplane coming into the Pentagon. There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, "The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to, "The plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the vice president, "Do the orders still stand?" And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?"
(Here's a video of his testimony to the 9/11 Commission).

www.opednews.com...

“I WILL SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AGAINST ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC; THAT I WILL BEAR TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE TO THE SAME; THAT I TAKE THIS OBLIGATION FREELY, WITHOUT ANY MENTAL RESERVATION OR PURPOSE OF EVASION; AND THAT I WILL WELL AND FAITHFULLY DISCHARGE THE DUTIES OF THE OFFICE UPON WHICH I AM ABOUT TO ENTER. SO HELP ME GOD" What is your oath? To tell lies and make up failed ideas based on uniformed opinions?

I have a right to my own opinions, as you have a right to yours. If they are uninformed then that is only your opinion nothing more.

What is the oath the delusion spreaders of a stand-down take; to make up lies and slander those who volunteer to serve the USA? Not even the terrorists make up lies like this.

Prove they don’t? Who told you our military is “not” corrupt? Oh, that’s right no one in the military has ever lied, stole, murdered, cheated, rape, instigate, push propaganda, lied to the America people, lied to congress, and lies to the media.

Prove me wrong?

Delusions of a stand-down on September 11th are not based on reality.

I have proved they are, you need to do some real research before you respond with a knee jerk reaction.

8 years far out conspiracy theories dismissed as fantasy and the product of lack of knowledge and an overactive conspiracy minded imagination.

Says whom you? These are your opinions.

The far out theories failed to prove a stand-down, but do prove lack of knowledge.

Now your contradicting yourself.

The USAF did not help do 911 and you will never prove your opinion.

You cannot prove the United States Air Force didn’t do 911. Because you cannot prove it, you dismiss it because you are too patriotic and to loyal to our government to even think outside the box for fear it might be true. How would you feel if it comes out tomorrow that the Bush administration with the help of a handful of experts in our military pulled off 911? Your “blind faith” in our government would be blown to pieces along with everyone elses.

I was on active duty on 911, there was no stand-down order; oops you are proved wrong.

Were you with Dick Cheney and Norman Mineta, when Cheney gave his orders?

Why doesnt someone filter or play around with the footage and see if SOMEONE USED A LASER GUIDANCE SYSTEM WHICH IS PROBABLY THE MOST RELIABLE WAY TO BE ACCURATE,WAS SOMEONE LIGHTING UP THE TOWERS FOR THE INCOMING PLANES.

Originally posted by impressme
I have a right to my own opinions, as you have a right to yours. If they are uninformed then that is only your opinion nothing more.

And what did you say in the OP?

In this debate Please lets leave out “opinions as your facts”

Why did you say/ask that yet you still post "your opinion" as fact? Why can YOU not stick to YOUR own standards set for YOUR own thread?

It is debate tactics like this that simply add to the hilarity that is the Troother club. Coupled with the no-planers and the demolition dudes and the "The Boeing Planes would rip apart at that speed" and the Space-Based Destructo Beam people and the "laser guided" guys and etc so on and so forth, here we have someone in a hilarious attempt to seem cogent and logical and methodological and all that jazz, saying "In this debate Please lets leave out “opinions as your facts” while all through the thread saying "there are my opinions and your don't matter! Nya nya nya".

Umm....yeah.

I repeat ,WAS SOMEONE LIGHTING UP THE TWIN TOWERS WITH A LASER GUIDANCE SYSTEM PRIOR TO THE PLANES HITTING,does anyone out there have the military knowledge to know if we could some how tell from video if this was happening.

reply to post by impressme

If your opinions were facts you would have a Pulitzer Prize. But there was no stand-down. The person who has the crazy claims must produce the evidence to save them from being delusions. The fact is you will never prove a stand-down.

You have proved your disdain for the military, lack of evidence, and love for nutty conspiracy theories.

Originally posted by one4all
I repeat ,WAS SOMEONE LIGHTING UP THE TWIN TOWERS WITH A LASER GUIDANCE SYSTEM PRIOR TO THE PLANES HITTING,does anyone out there have the military knowledge to know if we could some how tell from video if this was happening.

A more logical question would simply WHY would anyone NEED a "laser guidance system" to hit a 1,350 foot tall skyscraper, the tallest thing within nearly 1,000 miles?

This concept makes about as much sense as the rocket scientists who claimed that the aircraft fired a missile a nanosecond before impact to help create a hole for entry.

Uh-huh. Moving right along.....

Um, no they didn't.
They obviously took the day off.
For once. ?

Maybe they were hung over or something that day......
It reeks like poo.

These people guard our sky's?
We really are doooooomed.



[edit on 31-10-2009 by dodadoom]

They would need a laser guidance system because last time I checked it was the Japaneese who kamikazzed in with their planes not the Americans.

The Muslim terrorists go in with their bombs expecting and KNOWING they are 100% not coming back,the Americans dont.

If Americans were involved in setting up the destruction then there definately were not Americans flying.Which leaves ,I dont know ,maybe auto-pilot based on GPS or something a little less surgical than a plane guided in by laser exactly like American special forces like to light up ground targets for their laser guided bombs.

Listen ,heres some advice,go to any JFK site that shows a 360 degree view of dealy plaza print it off,take a ruler and do this,pretend that you are The beautiful first Ladys gaurdian angel for a second,and you are sitting on the shoulder of the man who is about to pull the trigger on the President,you have been sent by the godfather to protect this woman so you will tell the sniper to take the shot that puts her in the LEAST DANGER.

Get it?Now take your ruler and on the frame that shows the impact moment look at where the car is and exactly where the president and first lady are sitting then put your ruler on the spot where the bullet hits and extend it behind the president then slide it in a 180 degree arc ,when you come near the first lady stop the arc and anything to the right of that point cannot be an area the sniper shot from if he was behind the car,do this all around the car with a series of 360 degree photos and keeping in mind the areas that the safety of the first lady eliminate as shooting angles and you will have extrapolated exactly where the shooter is just like I did.

Then do a little googling of the recent information regarding confessions and you will hear the exact same admission with the excact same reasoing about the first lady safety when the shot was taken,then you will be forced by my story to become a believer in that EXACT INDIVIDUAL AND ELIMINATE ALL OTHERS.I extrapolated that because of alleged connections to the Mafia that the no women,no children rule would apply to a hired hit man,and that if the Government was involved that American values would force the same tack because of fear of public backlash and rage over Americas favorite first Lady being hurt should damage control ever have to be done.A governmental agency would think like that about damage control.

The reason I want you to learn about JFK is so you understand how to "read"circumstantial details or feelings about event sequences in order that you learn to shut out the BS a little quicker.It just saves time.

reply to post by one4all


I'm sorry...but are you on drugs????

They would need a laser guidance system because last time I checked it was the Japaneese who kamikazzed in with their planes not the Americans.

Ahem....the Japanese Kamikazi did NOT.....I repeat DID NOT HAVE 'lasers' What is your point here???

This is NOT some Hollywood movie...but I feel this is the problem with a younger generation who grew up with movies, and have NO OTHER knowledge of science and technology...sad, sad...