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Did the USAF Help pull off 911?

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posted on Oct, 27 2009 @ 09:41 PM
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All that was required to overcome America's military might on 9/11 were 19 hijackers on 4 airliners.
Does this sound plausible to you?
It's what you're expected to believe.

War Games: The Key to a
9/11 USAF Stand Down
On 9/11 there was no reaction from the USAF as hijacked aircraft flew through US airspace and plowed into buildings. This lack of response is inconceivable unless the USAF was stood down.


whatreallyhappened.com...


So, if 19 hijackers were to pull off hijacking four commercial airliners they had to have inside information from the White House. Why do I say this, is because there was no Press release of any war games in the Newspapers or the media before 911 happened? I have search the internet for any articles written “before 911” and their was only one and that is the article of our military watching the war exercises of the Russian Air Force that was being orchestrated over the NW corridors of Alaska and Canada.

Did the United States Air Force stand down it sure looks that way? Here is proof that Cheney did give a stand down order to NOT to intercept a flight heading into the Pentagon.


Norman Mineta Confirms That Dick Cheney Ordered Stand Down on 9/11

bushstole04.com...

The more I dig the more guilty the Bush administration are including a handful of military officials in the Air Force. I believe 911 was a false flag operation and a hand full of corrupt Air Force officials and pilots loyal to Dick Cheney flew those planes into the WTC. I do not believe those planes were United or American airlines. I believe those planes came from our military because, they own the same planes Boeing 757,767 and that is a fact.
That is why our government is NOT willing to come clean to show us proof like the serial numbers of these plane crash debris that can prove conclusively that those are the real planes.

In fact it has been proven that our government didn’t even investigate any of the four plane crashes


F.B.I. Counsel: No Attempt Made By F.B.I. To Formally Identify 9/11 Plane Wreckage

pilotsfor911truth.org...


F.B.I. Counsel: No Records Available Revealing ID Process Of Recovered 9/11 Plane Wreckage


www.911blogger.com...

The sorry excuses the government gave us as to why they didn’t investigate the four planes was because they said “WE know those were the planes”! As if, we are to believe them after they have been caught lying about everything else about 911, how smug of them, they couldn’t even come up with a better lie. They stand there with their evil grimacing smug look on their faces, daring anyone to questioning them.

Here is two questions: how many of you think that handful of corrupt military pilots using remote controled airplanes, loyal to Dick Cheney and a handful of corrupt officials in the Bush administration planed and carried out 911 also using demolitions expert in our military to blow up the WTC and covered it up by using the FBI to hide and lie about all the evidences.

Question: how many of you believe the OS is true and what “conclusive scientific evidences” that has convince you that the OS is true, and please post sources and links to back your claim.

In this debate Please lets leave out “opinions as your facts” If you have an opinion then please state it “as your opinion”. Lets be respectful to one another, lets keep this civil please.
Thank you.










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posted on Oct, 27 2009 @ 10:49 PM
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Keep this civil? You flat out accuse my fellow Airmen of being involved in something like this? Without a single, solitary shred of proof other than the lunatic ravings of the truth movement?

I truly do wish I knew who you are in real life. Slander and libel are civil offenses for which you can be held liable.

[edit on 27-10-2009 by Swampfox46_1999]



posted on Oct, 27 2009 @ 10:50 PM
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Originally posted by impressme
Did the USAF Help pull off 911?


No.

That's my opinion.

Whilst I get what you're saying, and why you're suspicious, I think the simple fact is that the more people which are required to be complicit in the events of 9/11, the less likely it is to be true.

There certainly is a lot of bs surrounding the events of the day, but I always say I think the 'truth', whatever it may be, will be a lot closer to the official story than most people are comfortable with.

That's all my opinion. I guess if anyone had any real evidence either way, we wouldn't be on this forum, we'd be in court...

Rewey



posted on Oct, 27 2009 @ 11:05 PM
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CIA Mossad may have done it

If its done by USAF and the airmen find out, they'd go kill Cheney with there bare hands

[edit on 27-10-2009 by dino1989]



posted on Oct, 27 2009 @ 11:47 PM
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Yo like ur work. Check out cable tv > OnDemand > Howard TV> 9/11. There were 2 shows, 9/11 and the day after. Im pretty sure it was the 2nd show, the day after, where they said that there were jets flying over nyc at the exact moment then 1 of the wtc towers fell, not sure which tower but this tread made me thing when i was watching it, on 9/11/09, it f'in freaked me out cause im on ats all the time but don't post all the time 4 my own reasons.

check it out and I'll try 2 get the mp3 of the show....reply if interested.



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 12:05 AM
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1) Operation Northern Vigilance.
2) Biowarfare Exercise Tripod II.
3) Operation Vigilant Guardian.
4) Operation Northern Guardian.
5) Operation Vigilant Warrior.
Show proof that these exercises were real besides “hearsay” from people in our government and military? No one in the United States in the week before 911, or right after 911 reported seeing any military war planes doing any war games exercise.
There was no Press reports given to any city government of any war games to be done in the week before 911. Not one single Press released BEFORE 911.

So tell me Swampfox46_1999, how did these alleged terrorist know that our military would be conducting war games on 911 when the public wasn’t told anything about them? Looks like an inside job to me!


Keep this civil? You flat out accuse my fellow Airmen of being involved in something like this?


Fist of all, I am an American citizen born and raised here and I love my country and I support our military men and women. Now that is out of the way lets get back on topic, I did NOT in NO way accuse the “whole military of being involved into pulling off this false flag operation and furthmore, I DO NOT believe the whole military was involved as I stated in my OP:


The more I dig the more guilty the Bush administration are including a handful of military officials in the Air Force.



Without a single, solitary shred of proof other than the lunatic ravings of the truth movement?


I ask everyone to be respectful to one another and that means no insulting name calling as well.


I truly do wish I knew who you are in real life. Slander and libel are civil offenses for which you can be held liable.


I don’t think so, I would have a field day in any court room in this wonderful country.
Thousands of People have been convicted on circumstantial evidences alone, without solid proof, we see it every day, and 911 is no exception.




[edit on 28-10-2009 by impressme]



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 12:45 AM
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I think the simple fact is that the more people which are required to be complicit in the events of 9/11, the less likely it is to be true.


I don’t disagree with you on that, however, “in my opinion” I do believe a handful of military experts such as remote control Air Force pilots, and just a hand full of demolition experts in nano Thermite and Thermate from our military blew up the WTC were all working strictly under Dick Cheney and loyal to Dick Cheney could easily have pulled off this false flag operation without anyone noticing. We all know about Dick Cheney having his very own assignation squad. How much would you bet that the people who really place the explosive in the WTC and blew up the WTC, and the Air Force pilots that flew those planes by remote control into the WTC are all dead from unusual accidents or illness. The only people alive that know all the truth about this false flag operation are the criminals that were working with Cheney in the Bush administration. I believe George Bush may not have a clue to what really happened on 911. I don’t believe Cheney could trust a bumbling idiot who couldn't even read a teleprompt, much less speak correct English. In my opinion, the Neo-Hawks in the Republican Party needed a mindless idiot to be their yes man. I am convinced that it was Dick Cheney who was running the Bush administration for eight years and George Bush went along with what Cheney wanted.

That is why I believe NIST was hired because they are the “leading experts in nano Thermite and Thermate”, and they where hired to cover-up the bombing of the WTC by producing everything but the truth. The proof is AE911 has caught NIST in many lies and NIST sciences “does not” stand up to academic sciences.




[edit on 28-10-2009 by impressme]



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 12:51 AM
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When it comes to the US military the right hand has no idea what the left hand is doing. There is so much compartmentalization in the US government and moreover the military. To say there's no way in hell the USAF was involved is downright STUPIDITY! The blind patriotism of military members is disgusting. Wake up! There are rat bastard traitors in all branches of the US military and government who don't give a damn about the Constitution or the American people. Just because you/he/they wear the uniform doesn't mean f'all.



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 12:57 AM
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Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
reply to post by impressme
 


Keep this civil? You flat out accuse my fellow Airmen of being involved in something like this? Without a single, solitary shred of proof other than the lunatic ravings of the truth movement?

I truly do wish I knew who you are in real life. Slander and libel are civil offenses for which you can be held liable.

[edit on 27-10-2009 by Swampfox46_1999]


You're right to defend your every single one of your fellow airmen without question. After all no airman has ever killed anyone, raped anyone, stolen anything, lied, or hurt anyones feelings for that matter. They are all above questioning.



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 12:59 AM
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Here is what I think;

From 1983 to 1991 I served in the US Navy. I worked at the Naval test center Patuxent River Md. in a top secrete squadron called VQ-4. There are only 4 VQ squadrons in the Navy and we were required to have a plane airborne 24 hours a day, 365 days a year and had such a high priority that we could go to any base of any branch of the services and commandeer any part from any aircraft we needed. Were operated C-130Q aircraft which were modified to carry TACAMO radio equipment, so much of it in fact that there was only enough room for one person to walk on either side of the aircraft and it was 28,000 pounds above max gross takeoff weight every time it took off and as I am sure you know a C-130 is pretty large and has a tremendous payload. The aircraft was coated with EMP seal on every screw, access panel, and adjoining surface. It was said it could fly through a nuclear explosion without being affected by the EMP blast; how true this is has never actually been demonstrated Our planes were capable of controlling a ballistic (or nuclear) missile as its source of guidance. About a year before I got out of the Navy they were testing the C-130Q's replacement the EA-6B. Our primary mission was a telecommunications/guidance link between the boomer subs and the pentagon; however, as I said the aircraft was capable as serving as a guidance system for ballistic missiles. As I am sure you are well aware a C-130Q was present along with what looked to me like the new EA6-B flying over the pentagon on 9-11.

I don't think I have to spell it out any further for anyone. The base at Patuxent River Md. is only about 30 nautical miles from the Pentagon....do the math.

[edit on 10/28/2009 by DarrylGalasso]



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 01:06 AM
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I am certain at least some of these exercises were real and necessary. A C-130Q is a low, slow, whale with wings. It would have taken only one pilot with any sense of patriotism or common sense to take out the C-130Q and what looked to me to be a EA-6B flying over the pentagon in restricted airspace in a spot that neither aircraft would have any kind of mission whatsoever. One smart pilot in the area could have ruined the whole gig at the Pentagon and thus they had to be relocated in order to ensure that someone did not actually do their job by accident.



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 01:10 AM
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I total agree, who told these “debunkers” that our military was not corrupt? The United States military is as corrupt as any third world military. We read about it every day in world News reports, around the world. Some of these debunkers are totally ignorant or blind to the fact that their comrades are quite capable of murdering innocent people for personal gain, nothing new here.

People forgot this almost happened before in this country back in the 1960s We had another group of Neo-cons Republicans and a very corrupt military that was about to do a false flag operation very similar to 911, and the joint Chiefs voted on doing it and passed it. Thanks to John F Kennedy because, he put a stop to it very quietly.


Operation Northwoods

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 01:10 AM
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Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
reply to post by impressme
 


Keep this civil? You flat out accuse my fellow Airmen of being involved in something like this? Without a single, solitary shred of proof other than the lunatic ravings of the truth movement?

I truly do wish I knew who you are in real life. Slander and libel are civil offenses for which you can be held liable.

[edit on 27-10-2009 by Swampfox46_1999]


Lighten up Francis. If you knew half of what you believed you knew, you would be dangerous and probably dead by now. No-one not even your beloved Air Force brothers are above corruption, use your head and ignore your brainwashing.



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 01:32 AM
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I have to admit I am proud to see a retired military person come forth with common sense, and knowledgeable information that certainly explains what appears to be in many photos and videos at the pentagon of an EA-6B flying over, just as this alleged hijacked Boeing impact the pentagon. The one’s that scream No way, are afraid of the truth and refuse to believe that a small part of our military could be complicit in killing our American citizens because, they are loyal to a greedy traitor running our Country. Who promissed them an uncorrupt government or an uncorrupt miliatary. No one.

[edit on 28-10-2009 by impressme]



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 02:08 AM
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Thanks for the vote of confidence; however, I wish nothing more than to be wrong about this, but everything I have seen and everything I know screams out 'Foul'. There is only one military base that operates any kind of C-130 aircraft within 450 nautical miles of the Pentagon and that is Patuxent River 30 nautical miles away and they only have the C-130Q models there. This plane has absolutely no business at all in that location. As I said our primary mission was with the boomer subs and they don't sail subs on land. Further this is highly restricted airspace. On another thread I posted this on about a year ago the OP said that they C-130 was an air force plane, I do not believe that, our planes are painted differently and an air force plane would stick out like a sore thumb compared to a Navy plane. Our planes were painted for mission not air shows, they were dull, and sky colored as to blend in. I have been around a air force C-130 before to take a hydraulic pump off of the number three engine and their planes, cosmetically, look nothing like ours did. Any sailor that worked on any of our aircraft as well as air force members could easily distinguish the difference between a Navy bird and an air force bird. Also in one of the loose change videos I actually saw the short trailing wire on the aircraft, and it was at that point that I realized what had happened. A few years back one of our sister squadrons took place in the Bosnia event in which we sent a ballistic present to Milosevic, this is how a C-130Q is used to deliver a Ballistic Missile via guidance control. There is only one model of C-130 that uses a short trailing wire (and a long trailing wire) and that is the Navy C-130Q. The long wire is used for incoming communications (it is longer so it can receive signals from the deep submerged boomers) and the short wire is for transmitting communications with boomers and guidance information to ballistic and nuclear ballistic missiles. The main purpose of this plane was to be able to respond in case we were nuked for retaliatory purposes. Hence the EMP seal on everything. It does not take much intellect to look at the damage at the pentagon, the C-130Q in the air accompanied by what looks very much like an EA-6B, and the damage done to Milosevic's home/palace or whatever it was and come to the same conclusion. It is not something I want to either say or believe; however, all the evidence I have seen points only in that direction.



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 02:20 AM
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Hi impressme,

To answer the question; Yes, after seeing videos of what our military personnel did to innocent people over in Iraq, NOTHING would surprise me about what the USAF did on 9-11.

You're doing a good job of exposing the truth of 9-11 but alot of people don't want to hear it, "they can't handle the truth"...


I'm sure one day the whole truth of this crime will be exposed.

PEACE and LOVE...



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 02:39 AM
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Hi Darry. I am enjoying reading your posts. Please, by all means, elaborate some more on your theories about 9/11!

And here's a little backup to your last post, about the bombing of the Milosevic house:


Milosevic Residence Bombed In Predawn Strike on Belgrade
By Bradley Graham
Friday, April 23, 1999

THE WASHINGTON POST -- Four sea-launched cruise missiles slammed into a residence of President Slobodan Milosevic in a predawn attack on Belgrade on Thursday, and Pentagon officials declared NATO’s air campaign against Yugoslavia had broadened into an effort to decapitate the government.

The strike on the white mansion in a residential neighborhood of the Yugoslav capital gave a new personal dimension, involving targets that are closely associated with Milosevic and not strictly military, to the month-old allied offensive. It came a day after attacks on a tall Belgrade building that housed, among other things, offices of Milosevic’s Serbian Socialist Party and a television station operated by his daughter Marija.

In an exchange with reporters at the White House, President Clinton said NATO was not trying to target Milosevic. And Deputy Attorney General Eric Holder declared the action consistent with a long-standing U.S. presidential order prohibiting assassination attempts against foreign leaders. Another senior administration official said Milosevic is known to be spending his nights in various other locations.

Pentagon spokesman Kenneth Bacon called the house a legitimate target because it included “security and military bunkers” and was operated as a “command and control facility” helping to direct the crackdown in the Serbian province of Kosovo.


tech.mit.edu...

This happened in 1999 though, and you said you were in until 1991- so just wondering- if you were out of the service, then how do you know this?

Edit: also, here are some pictures of the house:







[edit on Wed Oct 28th 2009 by TrueAmerican]



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 02:50 AM
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I was stationed at Pax River from 1998 - 2002. I never saw a VQ-4 C-130 there during those four years. They were all replaced by the E-6 long ago. There may have been a C-130 in the skies on 911, but I don't think it was a VQ bird.

www.globalsecurity.org...

Forgot to mention that Andrews AFB has a C-130 squadron based there, only 8 miles from DC.

[edit on 10/28/2009 by bagari]



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 03:02 AM
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It is not something I want to either say or believe; however, all the evidence I have seen points only in that direction.

I believe you are on to something good here because, some of these other eyewitness seems to support your story and it hold a lot of creditability. I found a couple of web sites that support this claim.



Official Confirms a C-130 crew did see the Pentagon strike.
Witnesses to the Pentagon attack were troubled that Pentagon had denied the presence of the C-130. However, almost a month and a half later, the Daily Press reported on the (dubbed) October 17th Surprise:

A C-130 cargo plane had departed Andrews Air Force Base en route to Minnesota that morning… said Lt. Col. Kenneth McClellan, a Pentagon spokesman. In the days immediately following the Sept. 11 hijackings, the Pentagon claimed it had no knowledge of the C-130’s encounter, because all reports were classified by the Air National Guard…[!][xi]

So their excuse for deceiving us was “We didn’t know because — it was classified!” 208 It’s a bad lie because NORAD and NMCC obviously would have been tracking the C-130, unless it has some type of top-secret Klingon “cloaking technology”.



911exposed.org...


Eyewitnesses who saw a C-130

www.911-strike.com...


A Missile, Not Flight 77


www.the7thfire.com...





[edit on 28-10-2009 by impressme]



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 03:19 AM
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The USAF does not monitor the internal US airspace, that is not their job focus. They watch the DEW Line (now called the North Warning System) for incoming enemy aircraft. The US Navy watches the East and West cost, called the Pacific (BarPac) and Atlantic (BarLant) barriers. They only help with internal US aviation issues if they are requested to by the civilian FAA. What happened that day was internal as none of the aircraft crossed the DEW, BarPac, or BarLant lines. In the case of a war, Bombers from both the US and Russia would cross the arctic circle, which is the shortest distance between the two countries, called a polar route. Bombers crossing those lines give the Air Force literally hours to load-out and scramble interceptors to meet them, and any dogfights would take place over unpopulated areas of the upper north or over the oceans. This is also why the one scrambled aircraft that launched that day was automatically routed over the ocean as though it was a BarLant intercept.


The Distant Early Warning Line, also known as the DEW Line or Early Warning Line, was a system of radar stations in the far northern Arctic region of Canada, with additional stations along the North Coast and Aleutian Islands of Alaska, in addition to the Faroe Islands, Greenland, and Iceland. It was set up to detect incoming Soviet bombers during the Cold War, a task which quickly became outdated when intercontinental ballistic missiles became the main delivery system for nuclear weapons.
The DEW Line was the northernmost and most capable of three radar lines in Canada; the joint Canadian-US Pinetree Line ran from Newfoundland to Vancouver Island, and the Mid-Canada Line ran somewhat north of this.

The DEW line was supplemented by two "barrier" forces in the Atlantic and the Pacific Oceans which were operated by the United States Navy from 1956 to 1965. These barrier forces consisted of five surface picket stations each manned by radar destroyer escorts and an air wing of Lockheed WV-2 Warning Star aircraft that patrolled the picket lines at 1,000-2,000 m (3,000-6,000 ft) altitude in 12- to 14-hour missions. Their objective was to extend early warning coverage against surprise Soviet bomber and missile attack as an extension of the DEW Line.

The Atlantic Barrier (BarLant) consisted of two rotating squadrons, one based at Naval Station Argentia, Newfoundland, to fly orbits to the Azores and back; and the other training at NAS Patuxent River, Maryland. BarLant began operations on 1 July 1956, and flew continuous coverage until early 1965, when the barrier was shifted to cover the approaches between Greenland, Iceland, and the United Kingdom (GIUK barrier). Aircraft from Argentia were staged through NAS Keflavik, Iceland, to extend coverage times.
The Pacific Barrier (BarPac) began operations with one squadron operating from NAS Barbers Point, Hawaii, and a forward refueling base at Naval Station Midway, on 1 July 1958. Its orbits overlapped the radar picket stations of the ships of Escort Squadron Seven (CORTRON SEVEN), from roughly Kodiak Island to Midway. Normally 4 or 5 WV-2s were required at any single time to provide coverage over the entire line.
Barrier Force operations were discontinued by September 1965 and their EC-121K (WV-2 before 1962) aircraft placed in storage.


The North Warning System (NWS) is a series of radar stations across Arctic North America. It provides surveillance of airspace from potential incursions or attacks from across North America's polar region. The NWS consists of 13 long-range radars (11 in Canada of which 8 were DEW Line sites) and 39 short-range radars (36 in Canada). The system forms a 4,800-kilometer-long and 320-kilometer-wide "tripwire" stretching from Alaska, via Canada, to Greenland.

NWS was established in 1985 when selected DEW Line stations were upgraded and merged with newly built stations into a more advanced early warning system. Automation was increased over the previous DEW Line system and a number of additional DEW Line stations were closed. In 1990, with the end of the Cold War and collapse of the Soviet Union, the U.S. Air Force withdrew remaining personnel from Canadian NWS stations and turned full operation over to the Canadian Forces.

The system is controlled by the northern segment of NORAD from CFB North Bay.

Making up the system are 39 AN/FPS-124 short-range minimally-attended radars and 15 long-range AN/FPS-117 radars.



[edit on 10/28/2009 by defcon5]




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