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Originally posted by whoshotJR
Another interesting fact for you. When ice cream sales are down there is less spousal abuse in the country. We should probably look at banning Dr's and ice cream as they clearly cause issues.
Also if you poll prisoners on death row you will find that the majority of them drank milk as a kid. We should probably look at getting rid of milk also as it clearly helps people grow into killers.
[edit on 27-10-2009 by whoshotJR]
Originally posted by whoshotJR
Another interesting fact for you. When ice cream sales are down there is less spousal abuse in the country. We should probably look at banning Dr's and ice cream as they clearly cause issues.
Originally posted by LightFantastic
Browsing the net I found this link: Death Rate Falls , describing how death rates fell in Israel when the physicians went on strike. This is also described on BMJ.com.
I then found this link showing the number of physicians un the USA to be 853,187: catalog.ama-assn.org...
This link then shows that the number of deaths in the US due to physicians is up to 225,000 or more: YourMedicalDetective
That is, on average, 3.8 accidental deaths per physician, per year!
Originally posted by seanryann
Next time you need medical attention, will you go to a doctor and chance it? Or just sit at home and thank yourself for not subjecting your body to the whims of an incompetent doctor?
Originally posted by whoshotJR
reply to post by LightFantastic
Actually I didn't miss your point and all of my statistics are true its just that they probably shouldn't be linked together. In summer you get high amounts of ice cream sales because of the heat and generally you get more cases reported of spousal abuse.
Your advocating people shouldnt see doctors with your post essentially and that less people would die if they didnt go see them. That's a crock as you can look back in history and see massive deaths due to lack of health care.
One other problem is your study doesn't mention people who didn't have health care or waited until the last possible moment to see a dr and then died because of complications that could have been solved if they would have seen a dr on regular visits(i.e. unnatural deaths).
Taken from your article.
* The term iatrogenic is defined as "induced in a patient by a physician's activity, manner, or therapy. Used especially to pertain to a complication of treatment." Furthermore, these estimates of death due to error are lower than those in a recent Institutes of Medicine report.
This also includes people having complications or infection after seeing the Dr for care and possibly is not the Dr's fault but the persons living conditions or treatment for themselves.
Your article is the main reason we need health reform in the country as it spells out that the US is ranked 12 out of 13 in the study they did yet we pay far more per person in healthcare. Why is that? Fraud from insurcane companies and the fact that our system gets to see a patient when they are in dire need of treatment and not just for preventive measures like normal checkups.
More from your link:
Adverse Drug Reactions 100,000 to 140,000
This is not always the dr's fault either. This number includes suicides with prescription pills.
Another problem with your data is if you read your links the data they are using to determine the decline of deaths is not numbers from a hospital but by talking to 1 funeral home about their 1999 year data. They site a Source ( read rumor) that the same thing may have happened in another area.
Your article is about promoting alternative medicines and just happens to be from a site that sells them.
Don't you think that they may have a vested interest in making the numbers show you should use their products rather then go to the dr's?
Originally posted by whoshotJR
reply to post by LightFantastic
Your advocating people shouldnt see doctors with your post essentially and that less people would die if they didnt go see them. That's a crock as you can look back in history and see massive deaths due to lack of health care.
Taken from your article.
* The term iatrogenic is defined as "induced in a patient by a physician's activity, manner, or therapy. Used especially to pertain to a complication of treatment." Furthermore, these estimates of death due to error are lower than those in a recent Institutes of Medicine report.
This also includes people having complications or infection after seeing the Dr for care and possibly is not the Dr's fault but the persons living conditions or treatment for themselves.
Your article is about promoting alternative medicines and just happens to be from a site that sells them.
Don't you think that they may have a vested interest in making the numbers show you should use their products rather then go to the dr's?