Obama releated to all but 1 of US presidents , page 6

Lmfao at people trying to justify beign relatet to Presidents, There is something going on they are selected by Genetic and most of the Presidents are related to eachother, Bush is related to Obama and the Royal family In england as well as other celebraties etc.

Obama is also related to Most presidents and its not about going far back enough, I watched a video well series called The Arrivals and it has alot fo facts about Illuminati, New World Order and the Bloodlines etc, it also shows clips from mainstream TV CNN etc that state some of these connections.

Although this is mainstream media so they wont show all the connections but only showed some to bedunk conspiracy theorists and what they say.

Here is a link to a short video if u dont want to watch it all then foward about 2 minutes, but I storngly recommend you watch the series the arrivals as it shows alot of facts and hidden secrets etc. Some might not be relevant to all of you but I recommend you go threw the series and see what you need to know.

www.youtube.com.../u/37/daxnUMUnolc

I really dont understand why People who know infromationa dna have research into the Illuminati, NWO or Freemaons doubt something is going on and all the secrecy and the rich powerful people, celebraties and poloticians all being part of these secret networks with scret handsigns etc.

Nealry all top celebraties you see on tv, films, media are Freemasons or another secret society connected to them and they all display their handsigns! I always see it.

The all seeing eye appears on the back of the Dollar bill on top of the pyramid, Im not in USA but I tell you few things I see.

I see a all seeing eye when I watch Big Brother, When I watch Hollyoaks at the start and the end not to mention skull and bones and checkered flooring in many of the senes wich related to Freemasonry, I see the all seeing eye when I watch BBC channesl, in form of a cycle ring or nay other! I see the all seeing eye when I watch paul O'grady when it starts, When you watch stricktly come danicg too! I see the all seeing eye when Peter Andres show starts, u didn't think peter and Katie are not Freemaons did you?

I see stars or pentegrams as well, when U watch national lottery not to mention the 666 on the lottery hands, also the 666 on the background of channel 5 news. I see stars everywhere, Ok we know they could be common or look harmless but its not for us to see but them! You see them them on Britains got T(star)lent, I see an all seeing eye when newround comes on, the list is endless! If you look for Triangles, stars and one eys u see them on nearly every main tv show, soap, etc!

When I watched Transformers I saw big Masonic M on the garage shop, the openign seen with Freemason Megan fox opens with her drawing a devil on a bike, list goes on...... Clues are everywhere, watch Harry potter opening scene starts with the one eye!

Even hindi films for those of you who watch them, all the top Hini actors etc are Masonic too!

Its no coincidence, I don't say every one who uses these is part of the NWO, Illumianit or Freemasonry I say all the rich powerful people of this World know the score therefore wouldn't use these signs because they would be too scared as they know the drill, they know what it stands for!

It continues, all around you, from films, music, media, Politicians, handsigns, celebraites, Corporate Logos etc.....

Michael Jackson I believe he was a pedo and I know His A Freemaosn so thats why all the Freemasons have come out for his film but also because they have been told to! He was killed to make money and keep him quiet but also to make money and thats exactly what they are doing from his death and all the stupid fans lay into their trap! nice fans, lol.

I really don't understand the world sheep live in, it so not real, everything isn't as it seems!

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

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First of all, I do not know about a Holy Roman Empire. Historically, there was only one Holy Roman Empire, that of the German Nations, dissolved centuries ago at the time of the Great Revolutionary War. Being that by the time of the US Revolutionary War the English Church had also separated from the Catholic Church, I think it is highly unlikely that the English king or queen would hold such a title, but even if s/he did it would not have meant much at that time period. The Revolution in France was still fresh and then your own Revolution. Secondly, I hear that a lot that it is in reality USA Inc., but the fact remains it's plain USA. Period. Yes, corporations rule the world, and thus also the US, but still ...

reply to post by liveandletlive

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Originally posted by liveandletlive
I asked “how many people here on ATS are members of the Royal blood line?” not whose husbands are related the only President from the state of Pennsylvania and the only president to remain a lifelong bachelor. en.wikipedia.org...

Half the US Population….

Any other questions?

Royal descent is common among residents of the United States, as in other countries. It has been estimated that probably as many as 150 million Americans (half of the population) have traceable royal European descent

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

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Follow the link to the wikipedia article. The girl claims Van Buren is the only one not related yet this list clearly states that he is Theodore Roosevelt's third cousin. The fact that they are all related is interesting, but how certain is her info if a relatively close relationship such as this goes missed??

reply to post by DasDebunker

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Van Buren is a famous name within the Bilderberg group.

The Bilderberg 2009 participants list shows a Fax number of the city Leiden.

www.bilderberg.org...


The ancestors of Obama came from Leiden.
www.dutchnews.nl...

www.newenglandancestors.org...


And Bush ancestors came from Leiden
www.newenglandancestors.org...
www.presidency.ucsb.edu...

Was the NWO established in Leiden ?

Originally posted by WalterRatlos
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

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First of all, I do not know about a Holy Roman Empire. Historically, there was only one Holy Roman Empire, that of the German Nations, dissolved centuries ago at the time of the Great Revolutionary War. Being that by the time of the US Revolutionary War the English Church had also separated from the Catholic Church, I think it is highly unlikely that the English king or queen would hold such a title, but even if s/he did it would not have meant much at that time period. The Revolution in France was still fresh and then your own Revolution. Secondly, I hear that a lot that it is in reality USA Inc., but the fact remains it's plain USA. Period. Yes, corporations rule the world, and thus also the US, but still ...

I don't want to derail the thread as this is a little off topic but let me briefly touch on this.

The Holy Roman Empire dissolved on paper in 1805-6. That though just meant that it's member states stopped being members of the Holy Roman Empire. It doesn't mean though anything acquired by Rome through the Holy Roman Empire reverted in ownership to anyone else. Rome did not cease to exist, just the Empire that Charlemagne set up to continue and expand on the Roman Empire. Keep in mind please that the English monarchy at that point was German/Saxon. That is why the English King also laid claim to being King of France even though there was another King of France at the same time. The English King was recognized by Rome as being the French King as well, even though the majority of the French People considered the actual Frankish King to be the King that both Rome and England felt was a usurper. This is in part what led to the dissolving of the Holy Roman Empire.

Though History contends differently I believe the dissolving of the Holy Roman Empire gave the Americans ideas to try to break its Treaty with Rome. It is important to consider that the English King derived all his powers by the grace of God. That God is not the God in Heaven but is the Vicar of Christ, Gods legal representative on Earth established by treaty as God's legal representative. All the Titles that the English King had were by the Grace of God, the Vicar of Christ, the Pontificus Maximus, the Pope except for one. That one was Prince, a Prince of the Roman not Holy Roman Empire. He was a Prince of Rome but a Prince Elector of The Holy Roman Empire set up under Charlemagne to protect the vestiges of the Roman Empire and the Ponitificus Maximus the Vicar of Christ. He was an arch-treasurer of the Holy Roman Empire and of the Prince Elector of the United States and the arch-treasurer of the United States. There are other surviving Princes of the Roman Empire too by the way in places like Monaco and Seborga.

Two things are additionally important and worth consideration. One is the Roman Empire never ceased to exist it just ceased appearing relevant which does not necessarily mean it is not relevant! Two is that William the Conqueror actually seeded everything he or his heirs would ever own to Rome, meaning that on those grounds alone that you can in fact only be the King of England and all of England’s holdings by the Grace of God, the Pope because back in the 11th Century the King pledged by treaty and contract everything He and his family and country ever had and would ever make in the future to the Pope and Rome.

I believe the War of 1812 was fought over the confusion regarding the collapse of the Holy Roman Empire and the notion that maybe we could then have independence.

Once again we supposedly won the war, once again though it was England that dictated terms of the treaty not the United States.

Once again the Treaty concerned not just England but other Principals of the Holy Roman Empire even though the war was fought with England.

However what is most significant about the 644 page treaty the ended the War of 1812 was how it was signed by the United States.

Eight signatures including the U.S. President actually signed without any reference to their titles or positions in the United States Government.

They signed all with identical Latin titles commonly misunderstood to mean in place of seal.

However when one keeps following the treaties back in time the title they all signed with as eight people first appeared in the 900's in the only existing independent state of the Roman Empire still to this day Seborga.

The title that the eight of them signed was the title that eight members of the Seborgan council had, the very first parliament ever known to exist even before Iceland’s.

It identifies them as the ruling council of Seborga an original state of the Roman Republic and the Holiest Spot in Rome its mountain setting hidden behind the seacoast is reputed to be Mt. Olympus home of the gods and its caves have over 14,000 religious paintings dating back to before the founding of even the Roman Republic. By treaty with the Vatican it has the right to reject any God or destroy any religious icon. In other words it has the right to function purely as a state of the Roman Empire and has never once been interrupted as a state of the Roman Republic, Roman Empire and Holy Roman Empire and is still ruled by a prince of Rome to this day.

It's currency by the way has the highest exchange rate in the world, and by Treaty established by Charlemagne it has the right to maintain an Island Nation for it's defense because it is so small. Only a few square miles in territory and only a couple thousand citizens the Island Nation it has a right to maintain for it's defense is none other than the United States of America the mightiest military power in the world and the world's policeman.

The title our representatives signed with is "Those who know the resting place of both the Roman Imperial Scepter and the Holy Roman Sepulture (the remains of Christ) which both reside secretly in the Abbey on top of Seaborga’s protected and hidden hill.

An abbey by the way that 7 wealthy European Knights stopped to pray at on their way to the Second Holy Crusade, where in exchange for giving up all their worldly goods and wealth they were allowed to be joined by one of the Abbey's monks and the Prince Abbot of the Seborgan Monastery officially dubbed them the Poor Knights of Christ. Later their exploits on the Battlefields and Bravery would have them redubbed the Knights Templar, commonly known today as the Masons!

The Masons who founded the United States of America!

As I have said many people do disagree with me, but my own research into it causes me to believe we are a Roman State and Rome controls us as it does almost every other nation on earth through treaties and contracts.

I could be wrong, but I don’t know if it’s wise to just dismiss thing based on the dismissive simple answers that we have all been taught to automatically accept and not question.

I think Obama being related to the Monarchs is very relevant as a result.

Treaty of Ghent




[edit on 28/10/09 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

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I'd like to see the logic of equating [L.S.] with something other than "locus sigilli" {place of seal}... Are you thinking it means "Lord of Seborga" or something like that? (I'd also like to find somewhere .. ANYWHERE on the Internet that lets me view the signatory page of the Treaty of Ghent and not just a transcript of it... (your link gives me a "page turner failed" error))

Interesting line of thought. But Seborga as it stands today is one of those convoluted ownership little specs of Europe that are of disputed, questioned and hyped reality. Possible it's valid? Yeah. But you have to wonder about that a bit.


Seborga's Royal Palace...



en.wikipedia.org...




[edit on 28-10-2009 by RoofMonkey]

reply to post by RoofMonkey

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This will give you information on the Council of Eight.

I originally found it through researching L.S., I can not find yet though the site that translated L.S. that led me there.

I had originally saved my research on this a year ago when I first researched it but a computer crash since wiped that and many other things out.

I appologize friend.

I will keep looking for the translation. It's very old and obscure. It took me several hours to stumble across it the first time.

For some reason I was not satisfied with the in place of seal supposition because I couldn't imagine all eight of those people having different seals.

That's what prompted me to keep searching then. When I finally stumbled across a diferent translation which as I recall was on a religious site and I plugged in the words to google it pulled up Seborga.

When I realized it was a council of eight equal members that had the title I said to myself, wouldn't it be funny if it was eight people who signed the treaty of Ghent for the U.S.

I went back to the Treaty of Ghent and was stunned to see it was precisely 8 people who signed for the United States. That floored me, the coincidence as well as why eight? Was the President just not enough? The President, Vice President, Speaker of the house and President of the Senate not enough?

All circumstantial but very thought provoking and troublesome.

This is the site I was led to when I plugged in the Latin Words I had found that was the original L.S. title
Seborga

There is a lot of very interesting history to comb through on Seborga as well as the fact that Italy has never been able to Annex it, and at various points varous nations have protected it from being Annexed by Italy or taken over by anyone.

Italy does not recognize it's sovereignty but Italy has not been able to take it over either. It is protected by at the very least the Holy See.

That's an established fact.

This link might work better on the Treaty of Ghent

Treaty of Ghent

I do know L.S. means something very similiar to this.

Locus Sancti Sepulchri (= the place of the Holy Sepulchre).*

[edit on 28/10/09 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

Here is why Obama is related to all the Presidents, and even to quite a few Royals !


The Royal and Presidential Conspiracy


Obama was not chosen by coincidence to be President of the United States of America in these End Times...

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

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No offense, But this treaty is null and void due to the Breaking of this Treaty at the commencement of the first battle/invasion of the WAR OF 1812! Sorry Dude, but NO DEAL, NO FEEL! We are NOT subject to Any of the articles/designations or renumerations of said treaty. Interesting Verbage anywho.
Also, it doesn't mean that I don't believe that Queenie Bitch From HELL doesn't think that we are still HER SUBJECTS! to this day!(in her own mind if not in feduciary renumerative debt. i.e. all federal taxes go toward the interest on the "national debt", Not the principal, that is Owned by the Current bond/t-bill/t-note holders/purchasers until maturity of said notes, then said instrument/principal becomes due/payable. (believe it or not most have the option of rollover to another note and never actually get their pricipal back, just keep getting interest!).(such instruments are nominally tax free).
I don't know if you all know this, but Queenie is Majority Owner in VAST NUMBERS OF COMPANIES/ORG.S'/TRUSTS THAT HOLD OUR DEBT! Thank you congress.
So, basically she DOES OWN AMERICA! We just don't know it!
Thanx, Keymaster

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