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posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 10:36 AM
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it sure makes you wonder about how much of "democracy" in this country is real and how much of it is simply manufactured for common folks to swallow.




posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 10:42 AM
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Never sure about this one, but you have to have a silver spoon to be president thats for sure. Obama must of been watched along time, in his life, by people grooming him.

I wonder when did he first get the idea. I would like to know when first did obama first want to be president?



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 10:43 AM
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This is an interesting discussion, and a "neat" find for the girl and her grandfather, but it is hardly surprising (except maybe that he is black, and the rest are white!).

I found out I am related to Abraham Lincoln, Sir Walter Raleigh, the McLaren clan from Scotland, and about a dozen Indian Chiefs!

Still have to go to work everyday, and pay my bills though! No tobacco money or Indian reparations coming in for me!



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 10:44 AM
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Originally posted by liveandletlive
What do you mean by "believe the worst"?


What I mean by "believe the worst":

The worst would be that there has been, since the inception of this nation, a covert plan by TPTB to have all US presidents come from the same bloodline of British Royalty so that some form of control or predestination would take place in the future of the US.

The worst would be that our whole history of voting for presidents has been a sham and was preordained and we're fooling ourselves to think that we have had any say in the development of this country. And that the Constitution has always been "just a GD piece of paper".

The worst would be that our founding fathers who crafted the Declaration of Independence (some of whom went on to become president - George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Benjamin Harrison, etc) were all part of an elaborate hoax to be played on the future inhabitants of this country.

The worst would be that everything we've been told about our country and its history is a lie.


Originally posted by liveandletlive
Maybe you should spend a little less time lecturing people on “using logic and reason”


I don't think I should. Logic and reason are pretty important to me. Thanks for your opinion, though.


Originally posted by liveandletlive
I asked “how many people here on ATS are members of the Royal blood line?”


Probably quite a few.




not whose husbands are related the only President from the state of Pennsylvania and the only president to remain a lifelong bachelor. en.wikipedia.org...


From your source:



Buchanan had six sisters and four brothers.


Some of them married and I assume, had kids.
You do know that even life-long bachelors have relatives, right? They have parents, brothers, sisters, who have kids who have kids, etc... They are all related to him.


[edit on 28-10-2009 by Benevolent Heretic]



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 10:46 AM
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Originally posted by curiousaboutsky
it sure makes you wonder about how much of "democracy" in this country is real and how much of it is simply manufactured for common folks to swallow.


the amazing thing is (and this is not directed at you) just in general at people who think this way:


How can, in one sentence, you logically denounce the government as this totally incompetent body of idiots who can't wipe their own arses without assistance...and a few commas later, claim that they're this omnipotent being who can predict the future and shape it with intricately placed events that totally hinge on luck and their outcomes are based on human nature (which in its self is unpredictable)

Government conspiracies always make sense in hindsight.
Because predictions of them never come true.

Either the government is a moron not capable of anything but drooling

or they are, as you bring up, all powerful dictators hiding behind a veil of anonymity.



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 10:49 AM
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Originally posted by Snarf

Either the government is a moron not capable of anything but drooling

or they are, as you bring up, all powerful dictators hiding behind a veil of anonymity.


You know how many times I've thought the same thing. There are certain people who argue that both are true, depending on their stance in a discussion.



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 10:55 AM
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Originally posted by Snarf
reply to post by glan
 


define "related"...

According to the Bible - we're all related.

Is 22nd Cousin considered related?

You can tip the scale in your favor any way you want...as long as you bend logic, and shed your dignity.

Have fun with that.


great im an inbred retard.

lol just kidding

no the bible was referring to the ashkanazi (me thinks thats the spelling)

they are notorious for being inbred and having defects such as mental retardation and deformities including being born zionists. (kidding take it in good humour).



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 10:57 AM
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Originally posted by Snarf

Originally posted by curiousaboutsky
it sure makes you wonder about how much of "democracy" in this country is real and how much of it is simply manufactured for common folks to swallow.


the amazing thing is (and this is not directed at you) just in general at people who think this way:


How can, in one sentence, you logically denounce the government as this totally incompetent body of idiots who can't wipe their own arses without assistance...and a few commas later, claim that they're this omnipotent being who can predict the future and shape it with intricately placed events that totally hinge on luck and their outcomes are based on human nature (which in its self is unpredictable)

Government conspiracies always make sense in hindsight.
Because predictions of them never come true.

Either the government is a moron not capable of anything but drooling

or they are, as you bring up, all powerful dictators hiding behind a veil of anonymity.




you have a point, and I try not to take things around here personally, so not to worry.
my suggestion from previous post was really an expression of shock following the thread starter post. here we have a guy, whether you like him or not, supposedly an underdog, a washington outsider who represents people and ran on a slogan of "change". but his heritage doesn't seems to indicate any changes.

besides, after what happened to W's second term where he was selected, not elected, does bring up the question of legitimacy of our own democracy... at least a little bit, don't you agree?



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 10:59 AM
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Its always been about the elite. They keep it this way because they all believe they are direct descendants of Mary Magdalene, "wife and blood line of Jesus".
en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 11:00 AM
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When I commented on him being a life long bachelor, I didn’t mean to imply he didn’t have children or brothers or sisters for that matter. I was actually insinuating that…. Well, lets just say I was trying to be a smart @ss like you!


Also, it is a fact that the Royals often intermarried. They are not the only ones though. The Chinese, Egyptians and so on did it. Weird, but they did. So even if your hubby is related to a President or even if you and I are related, I wouldn’t find it so odd. The fact that all but one of our Presidents are related to each other and they in turn are related to the british royal bloodline who in turn trace back to Rome and the catholic church….Come on, you know that’s a little weird……Admit it.



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 11:01 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.



Originally posted by Snarf
Either the government is a moron not capable of anything but drooling

or they are, as you bring up, all powerful dictators hiding behind a veil of anonymity.


False dichotomy.

And in my opinion, blood has nothing to do with it. Red may be the color of your true love's hair, and blood, but green makes the world go 'round.


As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 11:06 AM
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besides, after what happened to W's second term where he was selected, not elected, does bring up the question of legitimacy of our own democracy... at least a little bit, don't you agree?


i do think that certain individuals in government are able to use political muscle to get things done - but i also think those people are very transparent...in this case, Bush. There was nothing secret about the things his administration pulled off. They did them all out in plain sight.

But over all, i see the US government...and all governments for that matter, full of a bunch of idiots consumed with greed.

And thats greed for money - not power.
They sell themselves out to the highest corporation for any cause that best suits their own pocket books.

There's nothing devious or mysterious about that to me - its just human nature.

I have to admit that if someone came to me with a brief case full of $1,000,000 and asked me to publicly state that i thought the public option was a bad thing

i'd do it.

I'd take my million dollars and move far far away and enjoy the rest of my life.

Shameless? Nah. Just taking advantage of them. Nobody cares what someone like me has to say - and my words won't influence anyone who has already made up their minds.

And in this country - the majority of people have alreayd made up their minds.


If you're 'democrat', you always agree with democrats

If you're 'republican', you always agree with republicans.

It's unfortunate....but i believe it to be the truth.



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 11:07 AM
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Well, let's see, a handful of boats came over with settlers, many of which parished quickly. Then another handful of boats came over and became "related" to the ones already here. They also started to "relate" to the Natives.

After a few generations, every body here was related, and as new boats of settlers came over, they slowly became "related" as well.

It would be almost impossible to NOT be related to some of the original settlers, and the original Lords and Barons that financed the expeditions to the New World. Your family would have had to be extremely anti-social to not have intermingled through marriage in those early days!

Researchers have narrowed the entire Jewish population in the world down to 3 female ancestors through mitochondrial DNA! In other words, every single Jew is related......but it isn't just Jews, I am certain the same could be said for any race or culture!



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 11:09 AM
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Yeah and I'm related to the Spanish Royal family, Just look it up... Just because the root of someone's surname is related to certain bloodlines doesn't necessarly mean that because you have that surname you're actually related.


[edit on 28-10-2009 by ldyserenity]



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 11:09 AM
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with respect, i think you over looked the point of my post.

it's like saying "I hate nougat, peanuts, caramel, and chocolate....but snickers if my favorite candy bar"

the two separate arguments from the same people cancel themselves out



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by getreadyalready

Your family would have had to be extremely anti-social to not have intermingled through marriage in those early days!


You mean like and uppity aristocratic snobbish blue blood that thinks they are superior to their subordinate subjects?



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 11:13 AM
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Originally posted by liveandletlive
Also, it is a fact that the Royals often intermarried.


Oh, yes, I know.



So even if your hubby is related to a President or even if you and I are related, I wouldn’t find it so odd. The fact that all but one of our Presidents are related to each other and they in turn are related to the british royal bloodline who in turn trace back to Rome and the catholic church….Come on, you know that’s a little weird……Admit it.


What do you mean by weird?


What's weird is that IF my husband had become president, he wouldn't have broken the "tradition". There are MANY millions of people who are no doubt related to this King of England in the OP living here in the US and who could potentially become the POTUS. I'm sorry, I don't find it that weird that 43 of those millions became the presidents of a country whose "genesis" was in the same country of origin. Interesting. perhaps. An amusing anecdote at most. Not weird or strange or odd to me. Sorry.


But I do understand the thrill of conspiracy and secret societies, so I'll leave you now to your game. I didn't mean to "lecture" or be preachy, cavalier, naive or smug with my posts here. (I am a smart ass, I cop to that). I apologize if I offended anyone. I'm just speaking my mind as are all of you.



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 11:40 AM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by liveandletlive
Also, it is a fact that the Royals often intermarried.



(I am a smart ass, I cop to that). I apologize if I offended anyone. I'm just speaking my mind as are all of you.


No offense taken and your not the only S.A. on ATS I can assure you. That includes me! Speaking your mind is good. I hear its a terrible thing to waste! Fare well........



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 11:47 AM
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Originally posted by Snarf
reply to post by curiousaboutsky
 



besides, after what happened to W's second term where he was selected, not elected, does bring up the question of legitimacy of our own democracy... at least a little bit, don't you agree?


i do think that certain individuals in government are able to use political muscle to get things done - but i also think those people are very transparent...in this case, Bush. There was nothing secret about the things his administration pulled off. They did them all out in plain sight.

But over all, i see the US government...and all governments for that matter, full of a bunch of idiots consumed with greed.

And thats greed for money - not power.
They sell themselves out to the highest corporation for any cause that best suits their own pocket books.

There's nothing devious or mysterious about that to me - its just human nature.

I have to admit that if someone came to me with a brief case full of $1,000,000 and asked me to publicly state that i thought the public option was a bad thing

i'd do it.

I'd take my million dollars and move far far away and enjoy the rest of my life.

Shameless? Nah. Just taking advantage of them. Nobody cares what someone like me has to say - and my words won't influence anyone who has already made up their minds.

And in this country - the majority of people have alreayd made up their minds.


If you're 'democrat', you always agree with democrats

If you're 'republican', you always agree with republicans.

It's unfortunate....but i believe it to be the truth.


yup. i do believe that current "special interest groups" using lobbying system to buy political agenda right out of people's hands is the pinnicle of our curruption. former president of south korea committed suicide over 2 million $ of kickbacks, and minister of education of japan also committed suicide over $ 50,000 worth of japanese yen he recieved from a "special interest group". cutting out the lobbyist culture of washington and making all electoral funds be exclusive to public funds, and crinimalize bribery known as "lobbying" will finally allow us to have a better, undistorted representation of our citizens.

ps- Im neither republican nor a democrat, so



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 11:48 AM
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So VanBuren is the party crasher then?

Let's see:

- Helped spearhead the "Second Party" movement which led to an increase in voter turnout and gave rise to a broader spectrum of politcal parties.

- Started the issuing of government bonds for handling the national debt. This could be lauded for giving the government the chance to sell our debt domestically rather than continuing to be beholden to foreign governments or could be decried as streamlining the defecit spending process.

- Made the first (failed) attempt at switching from actual governmental bank notes to "Legal Tender" Now this is pre-Federal Reserve, but he did seek to give the Treasury Department greater power and independence.

- Diplomacy over force policies tempered the growing imperialism of the United States.

Interestingly, in the 1844 Democratic Convention, he had he majority of votes, but not the needed 2/3 to secure the nomination. A number of ballots later VanBuren was withdrawn and Polk was nominated.





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