Obama releated to all but 1 of US presidents

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posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 09:36 AM
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Originally posted by yeahright

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I've never seen his parentage seriously questioned. That would be all you'd need to verify to get the ball rolling on a genealogical study, isn't it?





How would we know, we never actually seen his real birth certificate. Without that you have only words and that really doesn't mean much these days.




posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 09:39 AM
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Originally posted by genius/idoit
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
 

That's a pretty cavalier attitude to that revelation don't you think? Have you traced your ancestry,are you related to all but one president?I have and I'm not and I traced my ancestry back to the battle of sterling.


Nope not cavalier at all..


Pretty normal if you do much reading at all..



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 09:43 AM
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Originally posted by jam321
I'm just curious to know if anybody double checked the accuracy of their work.

Might be embarrassing to find out mistakes were made.


Actually, almost ALL of the presidents have been closely related, WE do not elect any of them and never have. I don't know why people find this strange or amazing or weird or whatever, it's a fact.

This has been the plan from the beginning. Just ask Mr. Rothschild.



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 09:45 AM
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Did you all know that there are people who speculate that Barack may be a clone of Akhenaten due to their uncanny resemblance as well as Michelle's resemblance to his wife and Obama's daughters' resemblance to Akhenaten's daughters? During Akhenaten's reign there was also an influenza pandemic. For all we know, there may be a reign of succession going all the back to ancient Egypt. Things that make you go hmmmmm.....





posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 09:46 AM
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I think it's ironic that this is the same King John who was known as Prince John in the Robin Hood legends. Maybe it's time to start stealing from the rich and giving to the poor again?



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 09:47 AM
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Originally posted by TheBandit795
Anything above 2nd or 3rd cousin I consider to be not related to me.


Have to agree with you TheBandit.

The line has to be drawn somewhere, because whether you believe in Evolution, or Adam and eve. we are all related if you go back to the dawn of man.



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 09:51 AM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by washingtonsghost
It makes me wonder if maybe we aren't all related to a King of England?


It's actually very common, if people to search back far enough and if their families came over from Europe, to find relations. So, a LOT more of us are related than we think.


My ancestor was Sir Charles Gavan duffy who fought the opression of the irish and started the Nation, which set the grounds for the IRA. It is in my blood to fight to the death for freedom.


best bit was, the queen didnt know he became the first premier of Victoria Australia, and she knighted him... not knowing who he was.

The Royal family has done a big job of trying to cover this up in History as it is an embarassment to the crown as he was originally ordered to be hung drawn and quartered, but instead sent to Australia as a convict.

Silly b**h thought he died.... guess not. LOL

she filled her nappy up when she got back to england and realised who she just knighted.

my grandmother is a stuard which was the Royal family to my knowledge which gyfawlks tried to explode.

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posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 09:59 AM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by Beefcake
What you are saying is complete BS i have a family member that was in a Family tree club ...


I don't know if it's laziness or disinterest or just eagerness to believe the worst without further curiosity...



What do you mean by "believe the worst"?



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 09:59 AM
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I believe this is very good information....Not only for the fact that out of all the people in the world many are related to eachother.....but I have to admit that saying this many people are all related to "one" person from England, is a little far fetched....but hey, I believe this is possible, and if they did the research good for them.



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 10:05 AM
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After reading up on this Akhenaten, he was a pretty good guy who thought outside the box. Which reminds me of some of the things Obama has been trying to do with alternative energies and things of that nature. I can't say Obama is all that bad, but there are definitely things he does I do not agree with. But in reality, if it were McCain up at the podium instead of Obama, people would be complaining about the same thing, Socialism. No matter what president we have there will always be something of a conspiracy about them.

As for Akhenaten, if Obama was a genetic decedent or clone of this guy, I would have no problems. Akhenaten was very intelligent, and he too tried to bring a "change" onto his kingdom.

Just look here for more of your answers:
en.wikipedia.org...

The references look pretty solid.



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 10:11 AM
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The English are not really unique as a people but are a mix of different Europeans who either migrated to or invaded England. I traced my ancestry and everyone should if for no other reason than to know something about yourself. I traced it back as far as 1311. My family were land owners in France in Normandy until the mid 14th century when hardship forced them to migrate to England where they stayed until about the 16th century. My forefathers were mostly carpenters and then ship builders. Eventually in the 16th century they migrated to Ireland, mixed with the native population until all of the English was bred out of them. They remained in ship building until the potato famine which drove them to American. My Grandfather opted for sailing the big old wooden ships rather than building them and so went to sea in 1880 at the age of 16. He nearly died when marooned on a small Caribbean island for four months until rescued. My father had neither a desire or want for ship building or sailing and so went into industry as a laborer, typical for the time period of the 30's and 40's. He remained in the lower working class, had a wife and six children. That leaves it to me. I also went into industry, but opted out to venture into my own business that is thriving in this Obama-nation economy (in spite of it). I am also a land owner bringing it to a full cycle not since 1311. I aspire to become very wealthy, have many talents to do so, and will.

But to be on topic, we have know idea who or from where Obama is from, related to, etc. Until we see the real deal birth certificate.



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 10:15 AM
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Originally posted by genius/idoit
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
 

That's a pretty cavalier attitude to that revelation don't you think? Have you traced your ancestry,are you related to all but one president?I have and I'm not and I traced my ancestry back to the battle of sterling.


No it's not.

I have traced my and my wifes ancestry in depth.

I have over 5000 entries/individuals in my family tree maker software...and guess what I am related to probably 13 kings....guess what...you too probably.

Start by doubling the number of parents for each generation and go back 30 generations to the first king of england..

Parents ..2...gparents..4...great gparetns..8 ...great ..great grand parents..16

Do that 30 times....now for each of those folks think about their children...spouses parents...cousins ...aunts uncles etc etc..

THINK....there is no mystery here...the math is exponential..




Royal descent is common among residents of the United States, as in other countries. It has been estimated that probably as many as 150 million Americans (half of the population) have traceable royal European descent


en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 10:21 AM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by ClintK
Mathematically, this is not surprising.



Originally posted by liveandletlive
Being "related" and being related to a family that intermarried in order to keep the blood line "pure" are two different things!


And what evidence do you have that this has happened? I know it's a conspiracy site and this IS the Secret Societies forum, but we still need to use logic and reason... don't we? Evidence... facts... ring a bell?


Originally posted by liveandletlive
So how many people here on ATS are members of the Royal blood line?


Probably quite a few. As I said, my husband is related to James Buchanan (by blood) but many people (I would guess most) haven't had a genealogy chart done.


Maybe you should spend a little less time lecturing people on “using logic and reason” and a little more time paying attention to my question! Evidence... facts... ring a bell?” I asked “how many people here on ATS are members of the Royal blood line?” not whose husbands are related the only President from the state of Pennsylvania and the only president to remain a lifelong bachelor. en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 10:22 AM
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define "related"...

According to the Bible - we're all related.

Is 22nd Cousin considered related?

You can tip the scale in your favor any way you want...as long as you bend logic, and shed your dignity.

Have fun with that.



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 10:23 AM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
I have said it time and time again but anyone who takes the time to read the Treaty of Paris that established the United States after the Revolutionary War and researches the words and titles used, and then can take honest note that the treaty is being dictated to us by the English King and what and how it is being dictated will likely conclude nothing was won in the Revolutionary War but the right to incoporate as a franchise.

In the opening Paragraph of the Treaty the King reserves the right to be the United States Prince Elector (a Holy Roman Empire Title meaning one has the power to appoint an emperor, prince or King for the Empire) and to also be our treasurer!

It is also pretty apparent when you read the treaty literally and thats how treaties are meant to be read as that is how they are written that the King's main power is not dirived from being the English King but by being a Prince of the Holy Roman Empire and Prince Elector of the Holy Roman Empire, and Arch Treasurer of the Holy Roman Empire.

This is the King's full title note the first, note the last.


It having pleased the Divine Providence to dispose the hearts of the most serene and most potent Prince George the Third, by the grace of God, king of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, defender of the faith, duke of Brunswick and Lunebourg, arch- treasurer and prince elector of the Holy Roman Empire etc., and of the United States of America


You can see how right in the treaty that he delcares himself to the prince elector of the United States (he choses who will be President, and that he is the arch-Treasurer of the United States, he controls our money.

This is a legal binding treaty by the way people.

While on the surface it appears through stories like the OP's post that it's England controlling us or ruling over us secretly, I contend that just as the title suggests all roads lead to Rome, and the English Monarch derives their power over us via Rome and the power that Rome gives them.

Most people disagree with me on this but I truly believe we are an incoproated state of the Roman Empire.

Treaty of Paris




But Proto, article 2 of the same document cedes all rights to property to the States and it's citizens.



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 10:24 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.



Originally posted by Fromabove
How would we know, we never actually seen his real birth certificate. Without that you have only words and that really doesn't mean much these days.


From that standpoint, all you'd have would be words on a birth certificate. Which brings me back to my original thought - since many of us don't trust modern documents, how can you put blind faith into stuff that was generated 900 years ago?


As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 10:28 AM
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Originally posted by yeahright


Originally posted by Fromabove
How would we know, we never actually seen his real birth certificate. Without that you have only words and that really doesn't mean much these days.


From that standpoint, all you'd have would be words on a birth certificate. Which brings me back to my original thought - since many of us don't trust modern documents, how can you put blind faith into stuff that was generated 900 years ago?


Because records created over time are more reliable than someone that claims to be something he is not such as Obama. If he were a real American, we would have seen the real deal birth certificate and not a document offered by Hawaii saying yes they have the real one only you can't look at it.



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 10:29 AM
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So...is Obama related to all U.S. presidents or is he a secret Muslim from Kenya?

Oh i see, he's both?...and he's the spawn of Satan and Hitler all rolled into one.

Man...don't people ever give up?



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 10:32 AM
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Akhenaten was fascinating. He is known as the Heretic King. I have read theories where some people speculate that he could have been Moses or even Jesus. Akhenaten, like all Pharoahs, was said to be the result of a virgin birth too. Heretical thoughts, yes, but interesting to ponder.





"Akhenaten was not a visionary but rather a methodical rationalist. Akhenaten was a rational philosopher who took the throne of perhaps the most powerful empire on earth at that time, and implemented reforms one by one as soon as the necessary political conditions had been created. Akhenaten manipulated the power of the priestly institutions at his command very brilliantly. The new religion could be summed up as there is no god but Aten, and Akhenaten is his prophet. " - Jimmy Dunn

Akhenaten was the first head of state on the Earth to decree the concept of one God. Akhenaten called himself the Son of Aten, prefiguring the legend of Jesus.

Akhenaten also provoked a change in art. In the long history of Egyptian art, Pharaohs were generally presented as ideal figures, with athletic bodies and handsome faces. Portraits and statues made during Akhenaten's rule were much more realistic in style, often showing Akhenaten and Queen Nefertiti, Akhenaten's Chief Royal Wife, in intimate, affectionate poses or with their children, six daughters, on their laps. At times, Akhenaten is shown riding with Nefertiti in a chariot, kissing Nefertiti in public and with Nefertiti sitting on his knee. Akhenaten himself was portrayed with a long, narrow face, wide hips on a somewhat deformed body, a small potbelly, and unusually long fingers and toes.

The Heretic Akhenaten


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posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 10:35 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.



Originally posted by Fromabove

If he were a real American,


I have yet to see directly or by inference anyone claiming that Obama isn't a real American.


As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.





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