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reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 08:17 AM by Benevolent Heretic
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Originally posted by Shadowflux
I don't think people are understanding this, or even reading the OP article, everyone is just being smug about their knowledge of
genealogy.
 So, if we're not understanding it, please impart your wisdom. What am I missing?
It says that Obama is directly related to all but one President and to the old king of England.
Yes. (for example) Obama's mother's, father's, father's, mother's, mother's, father's, mother's, mother's, father's, father's, mother's,
mother's, father's, father's, mother, is the daughter of this John Plantagenet, a king of England, born in 1166. Or something like that.
Yes, they went back over 800 years. And most of the presidents in the US (as well as 1/3 of the people in the US) have a similar lineage back to this
John Plantagenet. Have I got it so far? If not, tell me where I'm mistaken.
In fact, the girl in the article says she is also related to Obama, which makes her related to the other 42 presidents as well.
I know you may be 33rd cousins with Stonewall Jackson but that's not what this article is talking about.
What is this article talking about, then? Spill it.  I'm listening...
Originally posted by Ophiuchus 13
which 1 is he not related to?
Martin Van Buren. It says it right in the article.
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reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 08:20 AM by Renegade Bison
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Originally posted by conspiracyrus
reply to post by Aberinkula
thats the thing if we came from only 2 people then that leaves 2 possibilities that Adam and Eve were rediculously deformed and ugly and taht over
years of inbreeding we came out looking like this or Adam and Eve were crafted in the true image of god and after years of inbreeding we ended up
looking like this =(
my favourite ever ats post.
thanks mate
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reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 08:29 AM by djusdjus
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um, this would mean that ALL us presidents are related to each other.
In a big picture genetic model according to the human genome map, we are ALL related to each other going back some 200 generations!
consider this, 2000 years = only 95 generations have come along. a generation being 21 years.
In all of human history there are less than 300 generations in total.
With that info in hand, it seems rather strange that most of us cannot trace our roots back much farther than 4 or 5 generations. Most people don't
know many details about their great grandparents.
All of history is like a long game of telephone where the copy of the copy of the copy is degraded further and further until we are in the realm of
educated guessing games and empirical data drawn from archaeological evidence etc.
no wonder it's easy to sell spaceman ancients stories and embellish our beliefs etc. lol
we are like germs moving to and fro on a ball. Completely unaware of our purpose or meaning.
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reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 08:33 AM by alienesque
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Originally posted by Muundoggie
Originally posted by Aberinkula
I mean, Biblically speaking, we all came from the same two people.
Scientifically, we all probably came from the first two...whatever...to evolve.
So, to use your logic, we are all the product of incest. Adam had to father children from his daughters or Eve had to have children fathered by a son
or their children had to produce offspring with each other.
yep..and after the flood that sort of thing had to happen again..
anyway..i once read that some geneticist once worked out that we all come from one of 7 women...and that that may explain certain peoples liking of
another person..these people come from the same women of the 7 original women..and dislike of others...as these come from a different original
'mother'
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reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 08:34 AM by justine093
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that is a great find....
I guess to the conspiracy theorists (there are none on here, I am sure...)
that makes the big O as deep into it as Bush, no???
I do remember the seven daughters of eve project.
supposedly a person can trace his or her evolutionary history back to the seven ancestral mother groups, also referred to as the Seven Daughters of
Eve.
I think it is also tied in with the Genographic project.
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reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 08:42 AM by Masonic Light
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
It's actually very common, if people to search back far enough and if their families came over from Europe, to find relations. So, a LOT more of us
are related than we think. 
My sentiments exactly. If we go back far enough, all of us are related. I'm not sure what the big deal is.
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reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 08:44 AM by ClintK
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Mathematically, this is not surprising. If you go back a generation, you have two parents, but each of them had 2 parents. That's 4 more and a
total of six. Every time you go back a generation, you double the number of ancestors you had. You had eight great grandparents, 16 great grand
parents, etc.
The Magna Carta was 1216 -- almost 800 years ago. Assuming 3 generations per century, that's 24 generations - over a million possible relatives in
history. All that had to happen is for one of them to be a distant ancestor.
So really, it's no big whoop.
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reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 08:46 AM by acasillas73
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I heard about Obama & his bloodline before he was elected. There is a connection between those in power and their bloodline. For anyone who thinks its
nothing more than coincidence, wake up. The powers that be need to have control & what better way to continue than to ensure they have one of their
own in the driver seat.
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reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 08:46 AM by Ophiuchus 13
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reply to post by keepureye2thesky
Thank you, interesting Al Gore is Jewish I believe.
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reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 08:49 AM by liveandletlive
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Originally posted by washingtonsghost
It makes me wonder if maybe we aren't all related to a King of England?
It's actually very common, if people to search back far enough and if their families came over from Europe, to find relations. So, a LOT more of us
are related than we think.
Being "related" and being related to a family that intermarried in order to keep the blood line "pure" are two different things! There are not
many who can tie back to the kings and queens of england.
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reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 08:57 AM by liveandletlive
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It seems there a lot of you here that think its no big deal to be related to the royal family. Very ordinary if I understand you correctly. So that
must mean many of you tie to them. So how many people here on ATS are members of the Royal blood line?
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reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 09:12 AM by gazerstar
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anyway..i once read that some geneticist once worked out that we all come from one of 7 women...and that that may explain certain peoples liking of
another person..these people come from the same women of the 7 original women..and dislike of others...as these come from a different original
'mother'
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I'm so glad that you brought that up. I read the same thing not long ago. A Professor of Genetics at Oxford University discovered that link. He
discovered that all Europeans can be linked back to one of seven women.
Sykes applied the mitochondrial DNA knowledge to determine the progress of Homo sapiens out of Africa, the only place where there are fossils covering
the last three million years from Homo erectus, to Homo neanderthalensis, to Homo sapiens. In 1997, DNA was sequenced from a Neaderthal and it had 26
differences from the average modern European, which indicates that they last shared a common ancestor about 250,000 years ago.
After collecting thousands of DNA samples from across Europe, Sykes fit the sequences into a scheme to show their evolutionary relationship to one
another. He found seven clusters that frame the population of Europe. Six of the seven were older than ten thousand years. Historians had previously
believed that agriculturalists overwhelmed the last of the hunter-gatherers on the European landscape after the last Ice Age. But the mitochondrial
DNA showed otherwise. It provided evidence that most of Europe is populated by people whose ancestors endured the last Ice Age.
European DNA Traced To Seven Women
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reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 09:14 AM by Benevolent Heretic
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Originally posted by ClintK
Mathematically, this is not surprising.
Exactly. One person (this King John "Lackland" Plantagenet of England for example) could produce two million people in only 9 generations if each
generation had 5 children. (5 to the power of 9).
If we figure only 3 generations per century, that's a possible 24 generations in the 800 years between John "Lackland" Plantagenet and Obama. 24
generations of only 2 kids each would produce 16 million people. (2 to the power of 24).
Of course, I could just be being smug...
Originally posted by liveandletlive
Being "related" and being related to a family that intermarried in order to keep the blood line "pure" are two different things!
And what evidence do you have that this has happened? I know it's a conspiracy site and this IS the Secret Societies forum, but we still need to use
logic and reason... don't we? Evidence... facts... ring a bell?
Originally posted by liveandletlive
So how many people here on ATS are members of the Royal blood line?
Probably quite a few. As I said, my husband is related to James Buchanan (by blood) but many people (I would guess most) haven't had a genealogy
chart done.
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reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 09:15 AM by TheAmused
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i still think it's laughable us americans are so dumb.
Do you have a vote or say who get's to run for democrat or republican?NO
The powers that be HAND PICK who is going to run for us.
then say Vote it's your duty as a american to vote.
But if we didn't pick who was going to run or who they pick as a whole...they have been stacking the deck for there agenda for a long time.
i argue this at everyone..Why vote?
the major political party's pick them for you then say choose which one of these people you like the best...that's a illusion of giving you the
power to choose.
But in reality you nothing but a moron.
Common everyone has heard that old joke...
A war vet
A woman
And a black man
run for president...99% of all joke's start like that lol
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reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 09:21 AM by yeahright
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion. I'm not sure what good a research of documents does in terms of bloodlines, anyway. Without some sort of genetic testing, who can verify the
accuracy? I mean, who knows who crawled into who's mud hut in 1022 and produced offspring? Records and paperwork get fudged all the time for a
variety of reasons, some intentional some not. I'm sure that was true back in medieval times as well, and maybe moreso.
I can see where people would have an interest in genealogy, but personally I don't see the relevance beyond someone's curiosity about their roots.
As a wise and anonymous man once said, "I don't care how tall your grandpa was, you still have to do your own growing".
As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.
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reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 09:21 AM by alienesque
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reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 09:23 AM by Fromabove
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We'll never really know who Obama is related to until we see an actual real bona-fide birth certificate. Until then all we have is the piece of paper
Hawaii is calling a birth certificate, Obama's word (which ain't much), and some hope and change. So until then, Obama is related to no one IMHO.
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reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 09:24 AM by GuyverUnit I
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Originally posted by jam321
True and I read that. But even genealogist makes mistakes.
Fair enough.
Sometimes even I make mistakes. Yes, I know, shocking 
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reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 09:27 AM by yeahright
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.
reply to post by Fromabove
I've never seen his parentage seriously questioned. That would be all you'd need to verify to get the ball rolling on a genealogical study, isn't
it?
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reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 09:31 AM by djusdjus
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Originally posted by Ophiuchus 13
reply to post by keepureye2thesky
Thank you, interesting Al Gore is Jewish I believe.
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Al Gore is not jewish.
My cat is more jewish than Al Gore. lol.
I have heard that this rumour is floating around in some european countries though. Maybe it's because of his running mate Leiberman? when he went up
against Bush?
anyway, not a jew.
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