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reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 08:31 PM by SmokeJaguar67
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Those new addictions you list are all psychological and therefore an easy habit to break. Take an addict away from the psychological addiction for a while and they will focus on something else to become addicted to or even better, realise the trap they are willingly falling into.
You also forgot one major addiction out there. Gaming!
For example years ago I used to be “addicted” to online gaming and then I took it to another level and became addicted to irritating others by carefully picking targets that were taking things way to seriously and talking on voice as if it was a real life or death situation.
That would be my cue!
Example1: a player parks a vehicle in well defended spot and lays mines around to defend him as he fires the vehicles main weapon while spewing military speak about whatever.
I hop into his vehicle, he asks me to get out and be a team player. I respond by driving away with him still in the vehicle and I trundle over one of his mines thus blowing us both to hell.
As he types “WTF you n00b, lamer??? I punish him for team killing me and I then die in real time from laughter because he more or less throws a fit and gives me my “fix”.
Example2: a jet takes off and does a nice curve out into the blue, heading for the other teams base and if the player starts hitting the military speak like something out of top gun.... I would step out from behind my tree and detonate the explosives I had stealthily attached to the aircraft before takeoff.
I gained much more enjoyment from stopping others from enjoying games. Sad I agree but that was what I did to blow off steam and I would go to bed very relaxed, sometimes chuckling at the chain reaction of team killing my acts often kicked off – icing on the cake.
I became addicted to picking on the adept and vocal if I was not kicked from a server at least six times in a session I was doing something wrong.
That is an example of a psychological addiction taken to a new extreme and twisted to become a personal fix outside the norm of online gaming. Eventually I realised that virtually I had become something that is not really a natural part of my character in the real world and one day I just gave (yes gave) my gaming desktop away.
There is something going on behind the scene that is fuelling this need to make us addicted to things that should not be addictive.
I wonder who these new addictions serve, keeping our eyes distracted from the real game.
Sorry to any gamers out there but I no longer do these things because I realised that a dedicated gamer is being played by a dedicated market that wants you distracted from real life issues.
I happily use a mediocre laptop now and just surf to relax, so no need to hang me.
Those new addictions you list are all psychological and therefore an easy habit to break. Take an addict away from the psychological addiction for a while and they will focus on something else to become addicted to or even better, realise the trap they are willingly falling into.
You also forgot one major addiction out there. Gaming!
For example years ago I used to be “addicted” to online gaming and then I took it to another level and became addicted to irritating others by carefully picking targets that were taking things way to seriously and talking on voice as if it was a real life or death situation.
That would be my cue!
Example1: a player parks a vehicle in well defended spot and lays mines around to defend him as he fires the vehicles main weapon while spewing military speak about whatever.
I hop into his vehicle, he asks me to get out and be a team player. I respond by driving away with him still in the vehicle and I trundle over one of his mines thus blowing us both to hell.
As he types “WTF you n00b, lamer??? I punish him for team killing me and I then die in real time from laughter because he more or less throws a fit and gives me my “fix”.
Example2: a jet takes off and does a nice curve out into the blue, heading for the other teams base and if the player starts hitting the military speak like something out of top gun.... I would step out from behind my tree and detonate the explosives I had stealthily attached to the aircraft before takeoff.
I gained much more enjoyment from stopping others from enjoying games. Sad I agree but that was what I did to blow off steam and I would go to bed very relaxed, sometimes chuckling at the chain reaction of team killing my acts often kicked off – icing on the cake.
I became addicted to picking on the adept and vocal if I was not kicked from a server at least six times in a session I was doing something wrong.
That is an example of a psychological addiction taken to a new extreme and twisted to become a personal fix outside the norm of online gaming. Eventually I realised that virtually I had become something that is not really a natural part of my character in the real world and one day I just gave (yes gave) my gaming desktop away.
There is something going on behind the scene that is fuelling this need to make us addicted to things that should not be addictive.
I wonder who these new addictions serve, keeping our eyes distracted from the real game.
Sorry to any gamers out there but I no longer do these things because I realised that a dedicated gamer is being played by a dedicated market that wants you distracted from real life issues.
I happily use a mediocre laptop now and just surf to relax, so no need to hang me.
reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 08:48 PM by Terces_Pot_Evoba
Originally posted by SmokeJaguar67
reply to post by halfoldman
For example years ago I used to be “addicted” to online gaming and then I took it to another level and became addicted to irritating others by carefully picking targets that were taking things way to seriously and talking on voice as if it was a real life or death situation.
That would be my cue!
Example1: a player parks a vehicle in well defended spot and lays mines around to defend him as he fires the vehicles main weapon while spewing military speak about whatever.
I hop into his vehicle, he asks me to get out and be a team player. I respond by driving away with him still in the vehicle and I trundle over one of his mines thus blowing us both to hell.
I have not laughed so hard looking at a post in my life. I can totally relate to messing with people on online games. Way more fun then playing the actual game.
reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 09:27 PM by halfoldman
reply to post by SmokeJaguar67
No, no...re-check my original post, it mentions gaming.
Religion, when mis-applied to everything could also be included.
When one becomes like Ned flanders from The Simpsoms, and asks God which breakfast cereal to use, I would say one is addicted to the idea of divine command. That speak is really loaded cult language.
How did man change from vassal before God to ideas of middle-class property? It seems that addiction is re-defined as anything that makes people unproductive and finacially unviable. So not all addictions are life-threatening (as was the case with drugs). They are capital and income threatening! Hey, and if you can't pay tax, who must pay for all the wars? If you are mega-rich you can shop till you drop without anyone calling it harmful! Pay tithes and tax and enjoy, and nobody will hustle you. Let the politicians and pastors buy themselves something nice too.
No, no...re-check my original post, it mentions gaming.
Religion, when mis-applied to everything could also be included.
When one becomes like Ned flanders from The Simpsoms, and asks God which breakfast cereal to use, I would say one is addicted to the idea of divine command. That speak is really loaded cult language.
How did man change from vassal before God to ideas of middle-class property? It seems that addiction is re-defined as anything that makes people unproductive and finacially unviable. So not all addictions are life-threatening (as was the case with drugs). They are capital and income threatening! Hey, and if you can't pay tax, who must pay for all the wars? If you are mega-rich you can shop till you drop without anyone calling it harmful! Pay tithes and tax and enjoy, and nobody will hustle you. Let the politicians and pastors buy themselves something nice too.
reply posted on 16-1-2010 @ 08:52 PM by halfoldman
reply to post by SmokeJaguar67
I recently saw an episode of "Intervention" which is a reality program. Usually it deals with drug addicts who are manipulated into an Intervention and then sent for treatment.
The one program was about a guy who was addicted to Playstation type games, and it was quite an eye-opener to see how bad it can get. He spent days on games at at a time, and had really manic look about him. He also spoke like the game characters. I don't think his treatment was successful.
It made me think: I'm getting addicted to ATS. Perhaps we need a forum for that?
[edit on 16-1-2010 by halfoldman]
I recently saw an episode of "Intervention" which is a reality program. Usually it deals with drug addicts who are manipulated into an Intervention and then sent for treatment.
The one program was about a guy who was addicted to Playstation type games, and it was quite an eye-opener to see how bad it can get. He spent days on games at at a time, and had really manic look about him. He also spoke like the game characters. I don't think his treatment was successful.
It made me think: I'm getting addicted to ATS. Perhaps we need a forum for that?
[edit on 16-1-2010 by halfoldman]
reply posted on 16-1-2010 @ 09:20 PM by mamabeth
reply to post by halfoldman
I'm addicted to coffee and ATS.I am also addicted to cookies,chocolate
and nutty bars.
I'm addicted to coffee and ATS.I am also addicted to cookies,chocolate
and nutty bars.
reply posted on 17-1-2010 @ 05:12 AM by Titen-Sxull
reply to post by SmokeJaguar67
Ah yes, the wonders of online griefing, it is indeed dangerously satisfying psycholgically because of all the people taking the game far too seriously.
As for the OP these new addictions are more or less addictions of attention. People are giving too much time to one thing for one reason or another, some to escape the other aspects of their lives others cause they think they don't have anything better to do. Before you know it you are spending every waking moment thinking about it, hours doing it and less and less time doing the other activities that once dominated your life.
I say Benjamin Franklin had the right idea when he supported Moderation in all things. Don't go overboard. Concentrate on what you are doing and you won't be swept up in these mindless addictions and always be Moderate about things, going to extremes is usually not good.
Ah yes, the wonders of online griefing, it is indeed dangerously satisfying psycholgically because of all the people taking the game far too seriously.
As for the OP these new addictions are more or less addictions of attention. People are giving too much time to one thing for one reason or another, some to escape the other aspects of their lives others cause they think they don't have anything better to do. Before you know it you are spending every waking moment thinking about it, hours doing it and less and less time doing the other activities that once dominated your life.
I say Benjamin Franklin had the right idea when he supported Moderation in all things. Don't go overboard. Concentrate on what you are doing and you won't be swept up in these mindless addictions and always be Moderate about things, going to extremes is usually not good.
reply posted on 17-1-2010 @ 06:30 AM by TiredofControlFreaks
The reason why "everything" is addictive is because of the anti-tobacco movement and the Surgeon General Everett Koop.
The ability of something to be "addictive" used to be well-defined. In order for a drug to be considered addictive,
1. it had to have the ability to intoxicate the mind (ie a person's ability to choose or not choose to take the drug was compromised by intoxication),
2. Sudden withdrawal of the drug had to have the ability to be life-threatening (ie alcohol and dt's)
3. the drug had the characteristic of causing the person to do anything to get more of it (ie heroin addicts will break the law and commit crimes to get money to get more heroin).
4. The drug would have cause the user to require ever increasing dosages in order to achieve the same effect.
With this definition - there were only 5 or 6 substances on the planet that were considered to be addictive. Opiates, alcohol etc.
Anti-smokers were NOT happy with this definition. Their premise is that smoking tobacco was addictive and the tobacco companies were drug-dealers that enslaved the population. Nictotene was re-classed as an addictive drug.
The use of nicotene does NOT cause intoxication, smokers do NOT require ever increasing dosages, withdrawal does not cause life-threatening reactions.
So what the Surgeon General did - in order to fully support the anti-tobacco crusaders was to change the definition of the word addiction. Now a drug no longer needs to be intoxicating. It needs merely to cause the brain to release endorphins (the natural feel-good chemicals of the brain).
Of course - many activities cause the release of endorphins. So under this weakened definition of "addiction" anything is addictive, sex, eating, physical exercise. Anything that causes a human being to feel pleasure can now be considered addictive.
Funny thing though - if you read the chemical characteristics of nicotene - it oxidizes at very very low temperatures. Nicotene cannot survive burning. It oxidizes into niacin (vitamin B12). That is what smokers are inhaling.
I provide here links to the 1988 Surgeon General's report and a copy of the chemical characteristics of nicotene.
www.philipmorrisinternational.com...
MSDS for Nicotene
msds.chem.ox.ac.uk...
Explanation of how Vitamin B12 (niacin) is obtained by oxidizing Nicotene
www.3dchem.com...
Of course, by corrupting the definition of addiction to try and make sure that nicotene could be classed as a drug and support the theory that tobacco companies were drug pushers and smokers were addicts, the meaning of the word addiction became so loosely defined that anything could be addictive.
This provides the basis by which anti-obesity campaigners could also truthfully state that food was addictive.
It is my contention that if everything is addictive then in fact, the word has no meaning and in truth, nothing is addictive. The feeling pleasure in human beings is far to meaningful and important to corrupt it and use it as a whip to castigate anyone whose lifestyle choices you don't happen to agree with!
Tired of Control Freaks.
The ability of something to be "addictive" used to be well-defined. In order for a drug to be considered addictive,
1. it had to have the ability to intoxicate the mind (ie a person's ability to choose or not choose to take the drug was compromised by intoxication),
2. Sudden withdrawal of the drug had to have the ability to be life-threatening (ie alcohol and dt's)
3. the drug had the characteristic of causing the person to do anything to get more of it (ie heroin addicts will break the law and commit crimes to get money to get more heroin).
4. The drug would have cause the user to require ever increasing dosages in order to achieve the same effect.
With this definition - there were only 5 or 6 substances on the planet that were considered to be addictive. Opiates, alcohol etc.
Anti-smokers were NOT happy with this definition. Their premise is that smoking tobacco was addictive and the tobacco companies were drug-dealers that enslaved the population. Nictotene was re-classed as an addictive drug.
The use of nicotene does NOT cause intoxication, smokers do NOT require ever increasing dosages, withdrawal does not cause life-threatening reactions.
So what the Surgeon General did - in order to fully support the anti-tobacco crusaders was to change the definition of the word addiction. Now a drug no longer needs to be intoxicating. It needs merely to cause the brain to release endorphins (the natural feel-good chemicals of the brain).
Of course - many activities cause the release of endorphins. So under this weakened definition of "addiction" anything is addictive, sex, eating, physical exercise. Anything that causes a human being to feel pleasure can now be considered addictive.
Funny thing though - if you read the chemical characteristics of nicotene - it oxidizes at very very low temperatures. Nicotene cannot survive burning. It oxidizes into niacin (vitamin B12). That is what smokers are inhaling.
I provide here links to the 1988 Surgeon General's report and a copy of the chemical characteristics of nicotene.
www.philipmorrisinternational.com...
MSDS for Nicotene
msds.chem.ox.ac.uk...
Explanation of how Vitamin B12 (niacin) is obtained by oxidizing Nicotene
www.3dchem.com...
Of course, by corrupting the definition of addiction to try and make sure that nicotene could be classed as a drug and support the theory that tobacco companies were drug pushers and smokers were addicts, the meaning of the word addiction became so loosely defined that anything could be addictive.
This provides the basis by which anti-obesity campaigners could also truthfully state that food was addictive.
It is my contention that if everything is addictive then in fact, the word has no meaning and in truth, nothing is addictive. The feeling pleasure in human beings is far to meaningful and important to corrupt it and use it as a whip to castigate anyone whose lifestyle choices you don't happen to agree with!
Tired of Control Freaks.
reply posted on 17-1-2010 @ 12:03 PM by halfoldman
reply to post by TiredofControlFreaks
That is a very interesting argument, and could even be a basis for a book! Please write it!!!
I was going through some older books on addiction, and at first addiction was limited to "physical addiction" and deadly withdrawal (as you point out, the opioid narcotics and alcohol). Then it was expanded into "psychological addiction" (caffeine, tobacco, crank, cocaine).
Nowadays we have "emotional addiction" (sex, porn, shopping, co-depedency).
I'm just reading Michel Foucault, and although the secondary prefixes were not yet attached to "addiction" when he wrote (early 1970s), we do find legal sanction medicalized almost as an escape route. So if you shop lift, you can get some stigma and sanction, but most of the punishment system of old is avoided by claiming help as a "kleptomaniac".
And I do think tobacco has a lot to with it metaphorically.
Perhaps the good spin-off is that people will stop harmful behaviour without being socially destroyed (in my youth addicts went to one place -prison), but the bad spin-off is that morality is medicalized by a powerful system, and the "addiction treatment" industry is far from perfect.
The worst is that society is increasingly policing itself, even for victimless non-crime "crimes". So central control is increasingly banalized into ideals of propaganda-based "standardization".
[edit on 17-1-2010 by halfoldman]
That is a very interesting argument, and could even be a basis for a book! Please write it!!!
I was going through some older books on addiction, and at first addiction was limited to "physical addiction" and deadly withdrawal (as you point out, the opioid narcotics and alcohol). Then it was expanded into "psychological addiction" (caffeine, tobacco, crank, cocaine).
Nowadays we have "emotional addiction" (sex, porn, shopping, co-depedency).
I'm just reading Michel Foucault, and although the secondary prefixes were not yet attached to "addiction" when he wrote (early 1970s), we do find legal sanction medicalized almost as an escape route. So if you shop lift, you can get some stigma and sanction, but most of the punishment system of old is avoided by claiming help as a "kleptomaniac".
And I do think tobacco has a lot to with it metaphorically.
Perhaps the good spin-off is that people will stop harmful behaviour without being socially destroyed (in my youth addicts went to one place -prison), but the bad spin-off is that morality is medicalized by a powerful system, and the "addiction treatment" industry is far from perfect.
The worst is that society is increasingly policing itself, even for victimless non-crime "crimes". So central control is increasingly banalized into ideals of propaganda-based "standardization".
[edit on 17-1-2010 by halfoldman]
reply posted on 19-1-2010 @ 05:05 PM by halfoldman
reply to post by halfoldman
I wonder whether most "addiction" isn't just escapism. If that is so then it is a harsh comment on the reality that is being forced on us, and that we help to sustain.
I wonder whether most "addiction" isn't just escapism. If that is so then it is a harsh comment on the reality that is being forced on us, and that we help to sustain.
reply posted on 19-1-2010 @ 05:51 PM by halfoldman
reply to post by TiredofControlFreaks
Well I thought your post was well put and excellent. Particularly tying the tobacco addiction as centrality would be great for the thesis behind a book. That's all I meant!
Well I thought your post was well put and excellent. Particularly tying the tobacco addiction as centrality would be great for the thesis behind a book. That's all I meant!
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