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Topic started on 27-10-2009 @ 02:08 PM by ProfEmeritus
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Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) said Tuesday that he’d back a GOP filibuster of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s health care reform bill.
Lieberman, who caucuses with Democrats and is positioning himself as a fiscal hawk on the issue, said he opposes any health care bill that includes a
government-run insurance program — even if it includes a provision allowing states to opt out of the program, as Reid has said the Senate bill will.
"We're trying to do too much at once," Lieberman said. “To put this government-created insurance company on top of everything else is just asking
for trouble for the taxpayers, for the premium payers and for the national debt. I don’t think we need it now."
Lieberman added that he’d vote against a public option plan “even with an opt-out because it still creates a whole new government entitlement
program for which taxpayers will be on the line."
His comments confirmed that Reid is short of the 60 votes needed to advance the bill out of the Senate, even after Reid included the opt-out
provision. Several other moderate Democrats expressed skepticism at the proposal as well, but most of the wavering Democratic senators did not go as
far as Lieberman Tuesday, saying they were waiting to see the details.
Lieberman did say he's "strongly inclined" to vote to proceed to the debate, but that he’ll ultimately vote to block a floor vote on the bill if
it isn’t changed first.
"I've told Sen. Reid that if the bill stays as it is now I will vote against cloture,” he said.
“I can’t see a way in which I could vote for cloture on any bill that contained a creation of a government-operated-run insurance company,”
Lieberman added. “It’s just asking for trouble – in the end, the taxpayers are going to pay and probably all people will have health insurance
are going to see their premiums go up because there’s going to be cost shifting as there has been for Medicare and Medicaid.”
Lieberman said he “very much” wants to vote for health care reform but that he’s worried about stifling “the economic recovery we’re in”
or adding to the federal debt.
“I feel this way about a national, government-created health insurance company – whether it’s a trigger or not,” he said. “My answer is –
we’re – we have the opportunity to do some great reforms here. These exchanges that we’re talking about, I think, are going to drive competition
and probably bring the cost of health insurance down or at least contain the cost increases for a lot of people. Let’s give that two or three years
to see how it works to see how it works before we talk about creating another entitlement that will end up increasing the national debt and putting
more of a burden on taxpayers.”
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reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 02:10 PM by ProfEmeritus
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This shows that there is at least one Democrat who is still watching out for the horrendous deficit that the current Administration is creating.
Joe Lieberman is a man of honor, and IMHO is putting the country first, ahead of his party.
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reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 02:11 PM by marg6043
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Occur they oppose to a Public option because that means taking away from the hand that feeds their drity pockets, the big insurance companies.
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reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 02:17 PM by ProfEmeritus
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Actually, Marg, if you read the entire article, you'll see that Joe is against the CURRENT public option because it would cost the taxpayers billions
of dollars. He wants a health care plan that is deficit neutral.
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reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 02:25 PM by St Udio
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yay,
someone is addressing the Senate health-care bill which includes a ' Public Option which has a lifetime until 2014...IF the present bill passes
!!
here's my take on the strategies of the proposed Senate bill:
On Monday....at 3:30 PM Eastern time in USA, the CNBC 'Market Watch ' channel broadcast a 'face-time'- press release by Senator Reid..
.he said the the 50 US States have the opportunity to OPT OUT of the Senate Health Care 'Public Option' of the new improved & latest &
final, Senate Bill ...that was just passed today the 26th of Oct!
know what this means... by telling the individual States they can OPT-OUT of the Public-Option...
that action makes it impossible for the sale of individual Health Insurance Policies across State lines.
The decision is cleverly disguised as 'freedom'-of-choice for the population...but in fact limits the options the American public has at their
disposal regarding health insurance policies...
so, if you thought you could purchase a health policy from Michigan for example, because the firm offered a less expensive package than your own
state's insurance firms...
you & I are out-of-luck for a number of reasons stemming from the States option-of-uncertainty in OPTing OUT of the PUBLIC OPTION provided by the
federal government/congress
~~~~~~~`this action will result in the medical field Lobbists & their interaction with the Lawmakers are thrown into a really, really wild affair
until 2014! & means all the various medical insurance providers are being givren 'protected territories' & boththe insurers and the Lobbists will
make out like bandits between 2010-2014, at which time they will have 'circled-their-wagons' and have begun their own attack on the peoples
pocketbooks/wallets ... If the 'Books close' on the public option bet..
thanks for the Platform to air out my opinion!
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reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 02:36 PM by TakeOutTheTrash
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Thanks for posting this. A S &F.
Thank God for Joe. We need more blue-dog/conservative democrats to stand in the way of this public option. The public option will do 2 things.
1. Lead to single payer
2. Bankrupt the nation
Plus the latest statistics show that the health insurance industry as a whole only makes 2.5% profit a year. That is tiny compared to the waste that
wil be created by it being run amidst a government bueracracy.
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reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 02:39 PM by damwel
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No, Joe is taking care of his big health provider buddies, the same as any of these guys that oppose public health coverage. That's the only reason,
big health care doesn't want to lose their billions in profits by having to compete with a health care provider that isn't in it for big bucks. They
are scared to death.
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reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 02:42 PM by marg6043
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Sorry but I can not wipe away the fact that is the big insurance companies in close doors with our for the people government right now,
dictating the penalties and fees to be tagged on us for mandatory insurances and them the only providers.
See it doesn't sound that good at all.
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reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 02:47 PM by David9176
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Joe Leiberman will save us!! Finally...a man I can trust in government!
/sarcasm off.
Leiberman is a Neo-con...more of a "Bill Clintonesque" neo con though.
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reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 02:50 PM by AllexxisF1
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Their is more FUD in this thread than on Fox Noise.
If the Insurance lobby were to tell you all that Rice Crispies cause cancer you would be cursing Snap Crackle and Pop on this BB.
I just called Joe's office and his staff member told me he will not get in the way of a filibuster and will allow this to go to the house floor.
Moreover if single payer is such a bankrupt system than why does every single western nation have it, yet they are not bankrupt, hmmmmmmmmm. In fact
they pay much less for care than we do and holy smokes they are much healthier. Go figure.
Also if Socialized medicine is good for Israeli citizens than Joe can at least vote to give us an OPTION to choose a government run health care
insurance company. You know one that only need 2 cents for every dollar to run instead of Cigna, Humana and co. which needs 30 cents on every dollar.
If you can afford to bomb the living day lights out of Iraq you can sure as hell run a single payer system in this country. That is of course if you
shut off the right wing boob tube.
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reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 02:59 PM by marg6043
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You see that is the problem, people has been geared to believe that is all about the socialized propaganda, meanwhile we are been leached by private
warmongers and war profiteers to waste trillions of dollars bankrupting the nation on wars, but that is OK, because is no socialized health care is
capitalism.
Sometimes I wonder about some peoples mentality when it comes to the priorities of the citizens of this nation. 
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reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 03:12 PM by centurion1211
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Originally posted by AllexxisF1
Their is more FUD in this thread than on Fox Noise.
You mean as opposed to the "FUD" on:
CNN = Communist News Channel
ABC = Another Barack Channel
CBS = Communists Broadcasting S**t
MSNBC = Microsoft's Stupid National Barack Channel
Back to the OP. Sounds like Joe is actually listening to his constituents ...
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reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 03:15 PM by marg6043
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The only people that Lieberman is listening is the ones that fill his pockets with campaign money, the man can not even make his mind on which side
works best for him when it comes to political parties.
Another flip flocker.
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reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 03:25 PM by David9176
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The only people that Lieberman is listening is the ones that fill his pockets with campaign money, the man can not even make his mind on which side
works best for him when it comes to political parties.
Lol...yep. If you give him the most money he'll side with you. Lieberman needs to be out of politics....period. He's a perfect example of the
problem! It's no longer about principles for either party...it's about money and power. That's it.
Did Lieberman vote for NAFTA?
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reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 03:40 PM by thisguyrighthere
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Originally posted by AllexxisF1
Moreover if single payer is such a bankrupt system than why does every single western nation have it, yet they are not bankrupt, hmmmmmmmmm.
Really? Are you talking real bankrupt or bankrupt when govt declares it? Like how govt keeps telling us SS will be bankrupt soon and in reality it's
been bankrupt for 30 years or so now? Like how the governors of states like CT keep exclaiming "surplus" when their respective states have late
bills due for a decade that can't be paid?
Germany and the UK and Canada are always playing little adjustment games to keep their systems afloat. In case you haven't been paying attention
virtually all of the Western world is bankrupt. Just floating on debt and promises. When a country starts to freak out about fatties or
"bankrupting" the system you know true bankruptcy has already happened.
news.bbc.co.uk...
www.guardian.co.uk...
Actually having wealth and the ability to pay the bills doesnt seem to matter to any of these nations anyway so why would it matter to you.
Everything's fine. We're all rich. everything should be "free." No problem at all.
Way too many folks are running around with some seriously thick blinders on. Thick blinders, a lack of hindsight and complete inability to see past
next Tuesday are hurting all of us. If I had my way I would be able to opt the hell out and the rest of the world can destroy itself without me.
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reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 03:44 PM by David9176
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Replying to myself...
Yes...Leiberman did vote for Nafta...along with his buddy Newt Gingrich!!
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reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 03:55 PM by jimmyx
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Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
This shows that there is at least one Democrat who is still watching out for the horrendous deficit that the current Administration is creating.
Joe Lieberman is a man of honor, and IMHO is putting the country first, ahead of his party.
he is not a democrat, he's an independent. and he is not a man of honor, because when he realized he was beaten in the democratic primary, he
switched to be an independent so he could get elected.
the democrats do not have a 60 member majority in the senate and never have. but the media keeps reporting it as such.
if he was putting the country first, he would be voting with the 73% of people that want healthcare fixed.
at the most, lieberman is a liberal republican.
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reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 04:08 PM by endisnighe
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Since someone mentioned Isreal and Iraq, who do you think pays for their health care? You got it, the US taxpayer. When will you people wake up. We
give more money to other countries, each year, than you can imagine. I for one, have had it, and so have many others.
Someone out their is going to have to pick up my slack, because as of 2 years ago, I quit paying. Frack em, we have no choice where our tax dollars
go, so why are you even paying anymore. Hey government, KMA. I would like you people to actually look at what these corrupt ********************** are
doing. Everything is about collecting more money from us.
Revolution is right around the corner. Keep cheering on this outrageous behavior. Keep lying about how everything is a crisis and you are going to
solve it. KEEP IT UP.
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reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 04:35 PM by hangedman13
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No actually Joe is a old style democrat. More of the forget the crap w/the rest of the world and lets focus on the at home. He is one of the few who
doesn't follow the party line, especially since that line has little to do with what the party once stood for.
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reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 05:11 PM by marg6043
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Occur he is also a cosponsor of globalization, the same globalization that help leach jobs oversea and never will be back to the America, how
about that for the unemployment numbers.
Yeah, even his name tells the story, LIE,berman
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