Joe Lieberman: I'll block vote on Harry Reid's plan, page 1
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Topic started on 27-10-2009 @ 02:08 PM by ProfEmeritus
www.politico.com...

Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) said Tuesday that he’d back a GOP filibuster of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s health care reform bill.

Lieberman, who caucuses with Democrats and is positioning himself as a fiscal hawk on the issue, said he opposes any health care bill that includes a government-run insurance program — even if it includes a provision allowing states to opt out of the program, as Reid has said the Senate bill will.

"We're trying to do too much at once," Lieberman said. “To put this government-created insurance company on top of everything else is just asking for trouble for the taxpayers, for the premium payers and for the national debt. I don’t think we need it now."

Lieberman added that he’d vote against a public option plan “even with an opt-out because it still creates a whole new government entitlement program for which taxpayers will be on the line."

His comments confirmed that Reid is short of the 60 votes needed to advance the bill out of the Senate, even after Reid included the opt-out provision. Several other moderate Democrats expressed skepticism at the proposal as well, but most of the wavering Democratic senators did not go as far as Lieberman Tuesday, saying they were waiting to see the details.

Lieberman did say he's "strongly inclined" to vote to proceed to the debate, but that he’ll ultimately vote to block a floor vote on the bill if it isn’t changed first.

"I've told Sen. Reid that if the bill stays as it is now I will vote against cloture,” he said.

“I can’t see a way in which I could vote for cloture on any bill that contained a creation of a government-operated-run insurance company,” Lieberman added. “It’s just asking for trouble – in the end, the taxpayers are going to pay and probably all people will have health insurance are going to see their premiums go up because there’s going to be cost shifting as there has been for Medicare and Medicaid.”

Lieberman said he “very much” wants to vote for health care reform but that he’s worried about stifling “the economic recovery we’re in” or adding to the federal debt.

“I feel this way about a national, government-created health insurance company – whether it’s a trigger or not,” he said. “My answer is – we’re – we have the opportunity to do some great reforms here. These exchanges that we’re talking about, I think, are going to drive competition and probably bring the cost of health insurance down or at least contain the cost increases for a lot of people. Let’s give that two or three years to see how it works to see how it works before we talk about creating another entitlement that will end up increasing the national debt and putting more of a burden on taxpayers.”




reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 02:17 PM by ProfEmeritus
reply to post by marg6043


Actually, Marg, if you read the entire article, you'll see that Joe is against the CURRENT public option because it would cost the taxpayers billions of dollars. He wants a health care plan that is deficit neutral.


reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 02:25 PM by St Udio
yay,

someone is addressing the Senate health-care bill which includes a 'Public Option which has a lifetime until 2014...IF the present bill passes !!


here's my take on the strategies of the proposed Senate bill:

On Monday....at 3:30 PM Eastern time in USA, the CNBC 'Market Watch ' channel broadcast a 'face-time'- press release by Senator Reid..

.he said the the 50 US States have the opportunity to OPT OUT of the Senate Health Care 'Public Option' of the new improved & latest & final, Senate Bill ...that was just passed today the 26th of Oct!


know what this means... by telling the individual States they can OPT-OUT of the Public-Option...

that action makes it impossible for the sale of individual Health Insurance Policies across State lines.

The decision is cleverly disguised as 'freedom'-of-choice for the population...but in fact limits the options the American public has at their disposal regarding health insurance policies...

so, if you thought you could purchase a health policy from Michigan for example, because the firm offered a less expensive package than your own state's insurance firms...
you & I are out-of-luck for a number of reasons stemming from the States option-of-uncertainty in OPTing OUT of the PUBLIC OPTION provided by the federal government/congress


~~~~~~~`this action will result in the medical field Lobbists & their interaction with the Lawmakers are thrown into a really, really wild affair until 2014! & means all the various medical insurance providers are being givren 'protected territories' & boththe insurers and the Lobbists will make out like bandits between 2010-2014, at which time they will have 'circled-their-wagons' and have begun their own attack on the peoples pocketbooks/wallets ... If the 'Books close' on the public option bet..




thanks for the Platform to air out my opinion!


[edit on 27-10-2009 by St Udio]


reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 02:36 PM by TakeOutTheTrash
reply to post by ProfEmeritus



Thanks for posting this. A S &F.

Thank God for Joe. We need more blue-dog/conservative democrats to stand in the way of this public option. The public option will do 2 things.

1. Lead to single payer
2. Bankrupt the nation

Plus the latest statistics show that the health insurance industry as a whole only makes 2.5% profit a year. That is tiny compared to the waste that wil be created by it being run amidst a government bueracracy.


reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 02:42 PM by marg6043
reply to post by ProfEmeritus



Sorry but I can not wipe away the fact that is the big insurance companies in close doors with our for the people government right now, dictating the penalties and fees to be tagged on us for mandatory insurances and them the only providers.

See it doesn't sound that good at all.



reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 02:59 PM by marg6043
reply to post by AllexxisF1



You see that is the problem, people has been geared to believe that is all about the socialized propaganda, meanwhile we are been leached by private warmongers and war profiteers to waste trillions of dollars bankrupting the nation on wars, but that is OK, because is no socialized health care is capitalism.

Sometimes I wonder about some peoples mentality when it comes to the priorities of the citizens of this nation.


reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 03:15 PM by marg6043
reply to post by centurion1211



The only people that Lieberman is listening is the ones that fill his pockets with campaign money, the man can not even make his mind on which side works best for him when it comes to political parties.

Another flip flocker.



[edit on 27-10-2009 by marg6043]


reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 03:25 PM by David9176
reply to post by marg6043





The only people that Lieberman is listening is the ones that fill his pockets with campaign money, the man can not even make his mind on which side works best for him when it comes to political parties.


Lol...yep. If you give him the most money he'll side with you. Lieberman needs to be out of politics....period. He's a perfect example of the problem! It's no longer about principles for either party...it's about money and power. That's it.

Did Lieberman vote for NAFTA?


reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 03:40 PM by thisguyrighthere



reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 03:44 PM by David9176
reply to post by David9176



Replying to myself...

Yes...Leiberman did vote for Nafta...along with his buddy Newt Gingrich!!


reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 04:35 PM by hangedman13
reply to post by marg6043



No actually Joe is a old style democrat. More of the forget the crap w/the rest of the world and lets focus on the at home. He is one of the few who doesn't follow the party line, especially since that line has little to do with what the party once stood for.


reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 05:11 PM by marg6043
reply to post by David9176



Occur he is also a cosponsor of globalization, the same globalization that help leach jobs oversea and never will be back to the America, how about that for the unemployment numbers.

Yeah, even his name tells the story, LIE,berman



[edit on 27-10-2009 by marg6043]
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