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Originally posted by rapunzel222
most people dont know how inadequate the australian criminal law system is. child rapists and incest crimes are not being punished. ive seen 2 month sentences for repeated sexual abuse of someone's own granddaughter (child). ive seen seven year sentence for gang rape of 7 year old girls. ive seen 4 month sentence for a man who had a relationship with an underage girl who had been previously raped by her father (who was his friend, and he paid the father for her).
sometimes i think some of these judges are abusers themselves or they couldnt write this stuff.
Originally posted by Chai_An
Originally posted by nixie_nox
For everyone going on about the degradation of society and how horrible the world is, there is neither more nor less crime then a hundred, two hundred, three hundred years ago. The only difference is that you hear about it on television.
Yes and no. Yes this type of crime took place and no it was not commonplace in most communities because people feared the consequences something many youth today lack.
Didn't say it was or was not commonplace. It isn't commonplace. Which is why we are horrified and discussing it here.That is a blanket statement. I know plenty of teens who are good kids. Some who are not. The ones who are not are usually the parent's fault or they have a mental illness.
hese same type of horrible crimes have always happened. Before video games, television, internet, whatever.
The difference is video games kids play, music/movies they like, and sites they visit today is causing them to devalue life as well as be desensitized to violence with no fear of consequences.
This is a cop out. The opposite could be said, that those who are violent are attracted to video games. I like crazy video games as much as the next person, and I can't kill a spider. There is a huge difference between video and reality. For one, videos have a reset button. And most kids, if they were to wander into the real world of crime, would run screaming home. If they are playing a lot of video games, that is a small symptom of a large problem of parents ignoring them and letting the media babysit.
Lets go back a few years to when the teen killed himself after listening to Ozzy for 18 hours. And there was a big hoopla over if Ozzy was to blame. No. For as a parent, my child would never be locked in their room for 18 hours listening to anything.If that wasn't a big flag I don't know what is.
A long complex history has created these teens. Like I said, most likely it was a gang. And gangs are developed when people in poverty need a "family" and have no other choice but to join a gang.
Of course people don't make the same decisions. But some ingredients are more conducive. some poor women sell jewelry, others prostitute. But the line of economics is same.
That history started with parents. I not getting this stereotypical, "he joined a gang because he was poor. Or how dangerous the urban areas are," is just stereotypical hogwash that is played over and over in movies. Sure there are places that are rough but to generalize all urban (inner cities) being this way is not real. To justify joining a gang because one is poor is ludicrous. If that logic was true it would be too unsafe for anyone whether they live in urban or suburban areas to walk outside if only for a moment.
If you think these areas don't exist you need to quit squeezing the charmin.
The demographics are there. I have three of these areas within an hour of me. I have lived on the fringes with drug dealers urinating on my house and bullets pinging off the brick. We would sit on the porch and play: name that gunshot during the summertime.
The majority of these gangs are in inner cities. Are all cities like this? No.
There are quite a few gangs in well to do communities so it has nothing to do with socio-eco standing and goes right back to home life or the lack of as well as what the child put into their brain on a daily basis.
There are always exceptions. Yes home life is a part of it. No one is denying that. Many of the family members are in teh gang too. But the families are gonna pass on what they know, which is poverty, crime and early pregnancy. Is every member of a corrupted city like this? Absolutely not. But the risks are much higher. The reason I stated that many have abused and neglected backgrounds. But the majority of the gangs are inner city, poor ares. Some are in nice areas, but then those areas quickly degrade, and become like all the other war zones. I have witnessed it myself. IN fact, the neighborhoods surrounding Andrews Air Force Base is one. They were once very nice family military neighborhoods and now they are turning into gang slums, unfortunately. Since there are a lot of families that have been there a long time.
And this is not unlike horrible things gangs do. I heard a story about how a local leader lured his 6 month old girlfriend into the woods, had sex with her, and then him and the other gang members beat her and decapitated her because she snitched to police.
This gang leader had a 6 month old girlfriend? And decapitated her because she snitched to the police? Now who's being sensational here?
Its called a typo, I accidently deleted pregnant. She was six months pregnant and 17 years old.
You have not heard of the crimes that these gangs commit, this one was not far from me:
In a recent Texas incident, a MS-13 gang member admitted that he had led the gang rape of a 24 year-old woman and then kicked her in the neck with such force that it killed her.
Their penchant for violence is renowned. Members often arrive in the United States with fighting skills gained in military training and are particularly adept with machetes. In March 2004, the Maldon Institute, a Washington DC based think tank, released a report detailing the violent methods MS-13 used, including their increasingly typical (and disturbing) calling card. MS-13 often leaves behind dismembered corpses, complete with the decapitated head, at the scene of their murders. Often a grim note is attached to the body.
In one Washington DC event, witnessed by a reporter, the inductee was an 11-year old boy - he sought membership in MS-13 so they would protect him from bullies in his neighborhood. The rights of passage included placing the boy in a circle of gang members. The five strongest members stepped inside the circle with the 11-year old boy. As members began counting slowly to 13, the boy was beaten and kicked repeatedly until he reached the point of unconsciousness. If he had been a girl, the rights of passage would have included being gang raped by six gang members.
Members of the MS-13 street gang live by the motto "We kill, we rape, we control" and follow the orders of leaders known as "The Word," a prosecutor said yesterday as the federal racketeering trial of two alleged gang members began. According to prosecutors, Velasquez and others accused of being MS-13 members sexually assaulted two teenage girls at a "skipping party" -- in which students ditch school -- May 12, 2003. In her opening statement, Wilkinson said Velasquez wielded a gun during the assault, adding that the victims were 15 and 16 at the time.
Gang activity in the United States has been traced to the early 19th century when youth gangs emerged from some immigrant populations. Now, as then, gangs provide identity and social relationships for some young people who feel marginalized by the dominant social, economic and cultural environments in which they live.
Long before video games and tvs, Hells Angels would make women clean their bikes. If there was even a little smudge, the women would be gang raped as punishment.
Correct me if I'm wrong but television was around when the Hells Angels a motorcycle gang who terrorized communities in the 60s and 70s roamed. The things allowed to be shown on television were different than today. The Hells Angels were supposedly horrible adults boozing and causing havoc in the towns they visited we're talking about kids.
But the gang mentality is the same, no matter the demographic. Hells angels became huge in teh 70s(or problematic I should say)but they started in the 40s or 50s. They also use colors, gestures and symbols like any other gang.So what was on tv in the 40s I would doubt contributed to anything. BTW they were also started in San Fran. It is theorized to be started by WWII piolet vets who still had a need for action but were also angry at being dismissed by society after the war.
In the roman coloseum, exotic women were brought in from other countries and gang raped by several men in front of the whole crowd as entertainment.
And look what happen to ancient Rome it failed. Whenever a society becomes so misguided and inhumane something happens. It perishes.
Does all the violence scare you? Is that why your in denial? No one likes crime or gangs around. But most societies begin and end, or change. ALL have crime, even horrific crimes.
No one takes comfort in this crime. But ignoring it won't make it go away. That is why I try to inform people. If you change the socio economic status and clean these areas up, you can make it go away. FBI considers MS-13 a far deadlier threat then terrorists. And because of the current economy, it is increasing instead of the war on gangs decreasing it. And they are winning the war on the borders.
Before proclaiming how scarey society is, realize you are hearing about one event, involving 15 people, out of 360 MILLION in the United States. If it wasn't sensational, it wouldn't be news.
What you don't hear about, is the person rescuing 20 puppies today. Or the man who bought 600 girl scout cookies, or the anonymous donations. Because that doesn't make news.
Originally posted by Grumble
At some point you have to go beyond nurture and look to nature.
I know it is not politically correct to say so, but some people are just no damned good.
The question is, how do we prevent their breeding?
Originally posted by nixie_nox
This actually sounds like a gang incident. either an initiation or somehow this girl affronted a gang. That is the only reason for a group standing around and getting away with it for two hours.
How does a large group of teends get together for over 2 hours and not be broken up?
If the girl knew one of the boys, this sounds like a setup. There is more to this story.
I can't imagine being raped till unconsiousness. She will probably never be able to have children, or be physically right again. And to be thrown under a bench. Awful. awful awful. It makes my heart hurt.
But this is a hate crime of sometime, I don't believe this is random.