reply to post by HunkaHunka
Gee Hunka once again you have said nothing.
Let me quote you here "Rape is caused by something much more fundamental in humans" ?????????
Any clue what that is?
Let me offer some other great and wonderful insights along these lines.
Sunlight is caused by the sun! Wow
Clouds make rain! Wow
It is true that nature has hardwired humans who are animals to propagate.
The male urge to copulate is a constant and never ending one because of these primal impulses. It is further true that in the wild animals sometimes
have mating rituals that are a leading event to copulation. It is also true some animals have no mating rituals at all but simply physically dominate
their breeding partner forcing them into submission and copulation.
In each case nature embodies these primal impulses to ensure the survival and propagation of the species.
Now having completed your own contention for you let me add.
The societal conditioning is meant to overcome this. Otherwise we would all be hitting women over the head and dragging them back to our caves by the
hair to force them to copulate every time the urge struck men.
Lets just say that if this where the case women would be suffering from chronic headaches and concussions and talk like Mohamed Ali and the freeways
would be remarkably devoid of motor vehicle traffic during rush hour!
Societal condition and standards are meant to over come these primal impulses to create civilized standards that when violated often result in first
outrage, and then criminal charges, and then incarceration or execution, or castration depending on the circumstances and society. Except in Costa
Rica where if you offer to marry the girl even if she turns you down you are off the legal hook.
Once again societal conditioning varies from society to society based on what's considered to be most effective by the society.
Societal conditioning is carried out by the Government and its institutions, Religion and it's institutions, the Familiar unit, and the Community
When instances of behavior society has deemed inappropriate and uncivilized despite the natural primal drive and impulse to engage in such behavior
are on a rise then society needs to re-examine what conditioning methods are being used to promote or degrade societal standards.
There are really only two legitimate arguments from a strictly scientific standpoint Hunka.
Argument 1. Permit rape and incest and pedophilia as being a natural extension of primal human impulses.
Argument 2. Maintain societal standards that prohibit rape and incest and pedophilia as being uncivilized, amoral, intrusive and possibly dilluting
the quality of the gene pool.
If you favor argument 1. Which is basically what you are doing in a round about way then argue for it. Say I Hunka Hunka the man behind the mask who
is his own God may take whom I want, when I want for sexual gratification.
If you favor argument 2. Say I Hunka Hunka the man behind the mask am not your God but my God and I fight my own natural impulses to copulate randomly
and violently and intrusively in this fashion (describe what you do to curb your own primal impulses) and feel that the best way to teach this and
instill it in others is by doing this (describe what those things are and how they should be done) and not doing that (describe what those things are
and why they defeat the goal).
It's important to understand that the drive to copulate for males is a primal and a natural one Hunka.
It's important to understand that to deny that drive and male physical dominance is not a natural one.
It is a rather societal one where society looks to for the purposes of order and security to overcome primal drives through standards, morals, laws,
and conditioning meant to over ride the natural programming.
Logic dictates therefore that when the natural programming maintains dominance or overcomes the societal programming that the societal programming
The two choices are to let societal programing degrade and let nature and its own chaos and intelligent design take over...
Or to think of ways to strengthen societal programing and to punish them.
I personally feel glorifying rape or making it entertainment through video games and media entertainment helps to defeat societal programming.
I am arguing for limiting the entertainment and doing away with the entertainment that glorifies rape or makes it seem like entertainment.
I am looking intellectually at how that can be done and what the advantages might be.
What are you doing?
Besides being a reckless adventurer whose actions play into the hands of the existing order -Chairman Mao
[edit on 27/10/09 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]