Scientists now confirm superheavy element 114! (Antigravity), page 9
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reply posted on 4-11-2009 @ 11:05 AM by InScientiaVeritas
Hello everyone.

I would like to comment on some of the things we have heard about the confirmation of the existence of element 114 during the course of these posts. My post will include many quotes of previous posts, links to articles, direct quotes of things mentioned in the videos that were previously provided and other dizzying stuff, so bear with me for a moment. I hope that this will clear out any misconceptions you may have about the subject at hand.

Let’s start with the first post.

“Lifttheveil” writes:

So, yet another fact mentioned by Ufologists has been confirmed that has been previously ridiculed and denied, I think the (un) official line till now was it was a Russian myth that Ufologists jumped on, Steve Greer must be happy at this recent revelation, or should I say, confirmation


Actually, the possibility of the existence of superheavy elements was never disputed by the scientific community. As a matter of fact, there was a stipulation during the late ‘60s about the possibility of finding stable elements around element 114. The oldest article I could find was written by Robert W. Holcomb and posted on the 5th December 1969 issue of Science magazine.

(Reference: “Heavy Elements: A Feud over 104 and a Future for 114.” Robert W. Holcomb. Science. 5 December 1969. 166: 1254-1255)


There was a very informative video, provided by “SaturnFX”, where an actual professor from the University of Nottingham explains why this confirmation is so important. If you missed, it you can see the video
here.

From the above video, I would like you to keep some things, which explain the basis of every scientific process. I will place them here with timeframes from the video:

3:08-3:32 : Now, the real importance of this experiment is that the original work in Russia has been repeated somewhere else. Nobody doubts it that the Russian experiment was correct, but it is a general principle of science that nobody believes an experiment completely until it has been repeated.

3:42-4:02 : But, of course, just because the same person does the same thing twice, they might be making the same mistake without realizing it. So, if somebody else, using completely different equipment in a completely different lab, does the same experiment and gets the same results, then everybody will believe it.


This explains the (quite arduous) process required for something to become widely accepted in the scientific community. Otherwise, anyone could claim anything is true, like the amazing post of “ZombieOctopus” demonstrates!!!

Claims are irrelevant until they are proven to be correct. For example, someone could say that “the system around the X star, which is Y light years away from Earth, is comprised of 11 planets and planet #4 away from the star is inhabited by intelligent life”. Until there is a way to go there, take actual measurements and confirm it, this is just an unsubstantiated claim.

It is also important to mention that the confirmation of the (very, very, very short) existence of element 114 has nothing to do with claims about the existence of element 115. Element 114 was observed after the fusion of Plutonium (or “Element 94”) with Calcium (or “Element 20”) (94 + 20 =114 protons. See! Real science isn’t so difficult to understand!).

After a short period of time, it broke down to other, smaller elements.

Please remember that, when we say that an element is “stable” we do not mean “solid” (although all elements that are solid in room temperatures are also stable). Being “stable” means that the element can remain in its original form (not decay) long enough for us to do something with it. Sorry about the short lecture. I thought it was relevant.


To be continued...


reply posted on 4-11-2009 @ 11:14 AM by InScientiaVeritas
On a relevant note, “Diplomat” wrote that:

There is so much conflicting information in this thread, people need to get their stories straight.

You can't compare the Element 115 that Bob Lazar was talking about to Earthly Element 114 or 115 created in a lab... because Bob Lazar claims that the Element 115 was given to us by aliens from a far away solar system where Element 115 is stable. It isn't stable anywhere in our solar system, the conditions aren't right.


And “game over man” mentioned that:

Now, I'm gonna go out on a limb here, but if we are talking about the Greys from Zeta Reticuli, and what their physical characteristics are......

Combine that with the theory that element 115 naturally occurs on their planet; can we not hypothesize what their home planet might be like?

How abundant is element 115 on their planet? In what ways could they gather this element, and where would it be found?


You have to understand that, if an element “isn’t stable” here on Earth or “in our solar system”, it is more than likely that it will not “be stable” anywhere in the known universe. We all (aliens and humans alike!) have to content with the same laws of physics. Also, as mentioned above, “stable” isn’t “solid”. Therefore, you can’t go on an extrasolar planet and dig element 115 out of the ground. So, if extraterrestrials possess a “stable” isotope of element 115, they either have the means to artificially create and preserve it, or they brought it here from another universe or dimension, with a different set of laws than ours. In the second case, without proper containment, it would rapidly decay to smaller elements, same as element 114 does. Bear in mind that this is pure speculation and NOT scientific observation. Food for thought…

As far as the “anti-gravity” aspect of this discussion is concerned, I find it strange that it was connected to the confirmation of the existence of element 114.

The video that was posted by “SaturnFX” (you can find it
here) shows a different approach to anti-gravity, that doesn’t make use of element 114 or element 115.

As a matter of fact, I find this video to be “scientifically unscientific”
.

What I mean is that the original uploader of the video (the self-proclaimed “AlienScientist”) uses scientific concepts that are widely acceptable to devise an experiment that no one could possibly conduct. Both the high temperature ferric (magnetic) superfluid and the reinforced container needed are impossible to build using current technology. At least technology that most scientists are aware of… Nevertheless, I do believe that we should create a new thread that focuses on the nature of this machine and its relation to “anti-gravity”.

Anyway, I hope I didn’t put you all to sleep with my ramblings.

Thank you for giving me a chance to express myself.

See you around.


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reply posted on 4-11-2009 @ 11:21 AM by draknoir2
Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to
post by draknoir2



I heard that as we speak Bob Lazar is working at Los Alamos
National Laboratory in New Mexico. He also has a company
on the side. - United Nuclear -
United Nuclear - Great Periodic Table!
He is a government scientist.




Lazar says he has degrees from the California Institute of Technology and Massachusetts Institute of Technology. In 1993, the Los Angeles Times looked into his background and found there was no evidence to support his claims. Stanton Friedman was only able to verify that Lazar took electronics courses in the late 1970s at Pierce Junior College. The Times did discover that in 1990 Lazar had pled guilty to felony pandering, declared bankruptcy and listed his occupation as self-employed photo processor on documents. A 1991 Times article reported, Lazar was "on probation in Clark County, Nevada on a pandering charge. His educational and professional background cannot be verified -- a fact he attributes to government deletion of records."


The rest here

Running an amateur scientific supply company does not make him a "Government Scientist".

More here on the Los Alamos claims



reply posted on 4-11-2009 @ 12:07 PM by game over man
reply to post by draknoir2



I'm not arguing with you, but isn't the theory that those who work or have worked at Area 51...their records......their identities.....are completely.....destroyed?


reply posted on 6-11-2009 @ 08:38 AM by KilluminatisRex
reply to post by lifttheveil



antigravity elements dont prove Life from other planets exsist. It just confirms we more then likely have more technology unimaginable by most that most still does not know about. Much of it has been in development for decades.


reply posted on 6-11-2009 @ 09:08 AM by draknoir2
Originally posted by game over man
reply to
post by draknoir2



I'm not arguing with you, but isn't the theory that those who work or have worked at Area 51...their records......their identities.....are completely.....destroyed?


An assertion that conveniently requires no proof.

I could make similar claims and they would be equally valid.



And there is no argument here... just discussion.


reply posted on 6-11-2009 @ 12:05 PM by draknoir2
reply to post by SquirrelNutz



Here is an actual patent in the same vein:

Patent # 6,960,975

Unproven, not prototyped, and based in questionable to outright junk science. The USPO has no way of verifying this, yet the patent was awarded nonetheless.

Some of the older patents are truly hilarious.


reply posted on 6-11-2009 @ 12:30 PM by SquirrelNutz
reply to post by draknoir2



A space vehicle propelled by the pressure of inflationary vacuum state is provided comprising a hollow superconductive shield, an inner shield, a power source, a support structure, upper and lower means for generating an electromagnetic field, and a flux modulation controller. A cooled hollow superconductive shield is energized by an electromagnetic field resulting in the quantized vortices of lattice ions projecting a gravitomagnetic field that forms a spacetime curvature anomaly outside the space vehicle. The spacetime curvature imbalance, the spacetime curvature being the same as gravity, provides for the space vehicle's propulsion. The space vehicle, surrounded by the spacetime anomaly, may move at a speed approaching the light-speed characteristic for the modified locale.


Thanks for the link.
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