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9/11? Truthers are the real hoaxers...

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posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 11:40 AM
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Mr tom frusso, i challenge you to a duel, i'll bring my evidence, you bring yours my friend.

Im serious, i will start a thread titled, , for and against the 9/11 official story, Ignorance denied VS Tom frusso

Ignorance denied VS everyone

Waiting for thread




posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 11:44 AM
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Originally posted by Ignorance Denied

Originally posted by tomfrusso
reply to post by crmanager
 


Go CR Go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You see, these truethers can't take ANY view that's not their's. They are out here calling you a "disinfo" agent - (whatever that is). They are insulting you calling you names and all other crap, all because their stupid conspiracy doesn't make any sense at all and it's "THEM" who can't prove anything, they don't have as much as a spoonfull of proof of anything.

Go, CR Go!!!!!



Mr tom frusso, i challenge you to a duel, i'll bring my evidence, you bring yours my friend.

Im serious, i will start a thread titled, , for and against the 9/11 official story, Ignorance denied VS Tom frusso



Seconded. I'd love to see that debate and/or thread. Maybe the "debunkers" (whatever that means) will see that the official story has more holes than aged swiss cheese.



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 11:49 AM
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Originally posted by Nutter

I used Bill O'reilly as an example. Take any example you wish to take. How about ATS? I don't see you ranting on about how they make money through their sponsership who sells products do I?



This is becuase from what I'm seeing, ATS doesn't side in with the 9/11 conspiracies one way or the other. They're simply providing a venue that allows us to air our respective views, so I have no issues with their putting advertisements on their board to help pay to keep the board running.

On the other hand, I DID have a beef with the Loose Change people deliberately instigating false paranoia so they can sell their knicknacks, so I used to post on their discussion board as well to discuss that very topic. The con artists running the board over there (specifically, Dylan Avery) kicked me off, NOT becuase I was rude or insultive to anyone, but becuase I was in the middle of pointing out all the flaws in that mockumentary they're selling.

The moment that anyone honestly believes that censorship is necessary to protect a given opinion from criticism, is the moment they're admitting the position has no merit. It's falsehoods, not the truth, that need fear critique, as Patrick Henry once said.



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 12:14 PM
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Originally posted by Rewey
You mean that worthless country which produces 92% of the world's opium, and with big, fat oil and gas pipelines running all the way through it?

You call Afghanistan a worthless toilet, as a reason why there is no sense in 9/11 conspiracy, yet you leave out the above facts. What were you saying above about 'telling the whole story'?



Becuase A) the ones in charge of the opium are the local warlords, not the US. Insinuating the US is involved in opium production when the Afghans had been successfully growing opium there for the last 5,000 years on their own is absurd, and B) there are no "big fat oil and gas pipelines running all the way through it". That's an internet rumor those damned fool 9/11 conspiracy web sites keep spreading. Karzai wants a pipeline deal to bring in revenue, but the entire country is so [censored] up that noone wants to even install a storm drain there, let alone an oil pipe, as everyone knows it'll be blown up every ten minutes.

So what were YOU saying about, "not telling the whole story"?



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 12:23 PM
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Originally posted by tomfrusso
reply to post by crmanager
 


Go CR Go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You see, these truethers can't take ANY view that's not their's. They are out here calling you a "disinfo" agent - (whatever that is). They are insulting you calling you names and all other crap, all because their stupid conspiracy doesn't make any sense at all and it's "THEM" who can't prove anything, they don't have as much as a spoonfull of proof of anything.

Go, CR Go!!!!!


I think you're right Mr. Russo. Many people get my goat on here.

What's wrong with these people who think there were no planes? or that there were planes? or that there were holograms? or that they were remote controlled? Jeesh. Don't they know it was all of these? I just cringe when I meet someone who thinks it's only one of these! They all must be disinfo.

What's wrong with these people who think that the hijackers did it? or the Bush Admin? or the CIA? or the Mossad? Jeesh. Don't they know it was all of these together? I just tear my hair out when I meet someone who thinks it's just one of these alone! They all must be disinfo.

What's wrong with these people who think that the building collapsed from the crash and fires? or from thermite? or from mini-nukes? or from laser beams. Don't they know it was all of these in combination that caused the building collapse? I just spew up chunks when I meet someone who thinks it's just one of these that did it! They all must be disinfo.

And don't get me started on those people who think puppies are cute.... but I digress.

But gosh darn, I just realized that everyone here is just a "disinfo" agent and I'm the only real "truther". And you're right! I do hate when someone has views other than mine. (Especially those "Puppies are cute" freaks)

But at least I found someone here I can agree with on ONE point. Just wanted to let you know that this Anarchist*, Socialist*, America hating*, Democracy hating*, Christianity is really Satanist believing*, intellectual elitist* is with ya buddy!!!!!! Good Job! (Even though I suspect you may be a disinfo agent.)




* Important Note: Though they have not been brought up yet in this thread (give this thread some time! give it time!), I would like to point out that homophobic, misogynist, race baiting, baby hating, cat slapping, and dog kicking are all terms that fit me to a tee. But I do draw the line on Communist... don't ever put me in league with THEM! They're worse than disinfo agents!



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 01:06 PM
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I am still waiting for FBI/NTSB reports of proper ID of AA77 or any other 9/11 plane.

1. Proper ID is needed for criminal investigation.

2. Proper ID is needed for airlines to collect insurance.



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 01:17 PM
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well new york has 80,000 signatures saying the want a new investigation
www.prisonplanet.com...



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 01:31 PM
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Originally posted by REMISNE
I am still waiting for FBI/NTSB reports of proper ID of AA77 or any other 9/11 plane.

1. Proper ID is needed for criminal investigation.

2. Proper ID is needed for airlines to collect insurance.


What do you mean by this? If such a report said that maintenance records show that a power supply unit for the emergency lights found at the Pentagon crash site, part number MOD55S37 and serial number 1448, was recorded as being installed on aircraft with tail number N644AA, designated flight 77, how the heck would you ever be able to confirm the information? The gov't and the aviation agencies know how to use it, but I doubt that you do.

Methinks you're simply looking for more things you can accuse of being gov't disinformation.



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 08:20 PM
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Originally posted by blankduck18
crm i have noticed you have been starting a lot of problems on these forums recently
You really like to pick fights with people
Maybe its time you leave?


Wow, It seems you are part of the "Hate America" group that believes "Since you are not onboard, you need to be overboard."

Why is a person who calls out hate seen as the problem by people like you?



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 08:55 PM
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Originally posted by GoodOlDave

On the other hand, I DID have a beef with the Loose Change people deliberately instigating false paranoia so they can sell their knicknacks, so

The moment that anyone honestly believes that censorship is necessary to protect a given opinion from criticism, is the moment they're admitting the position has no merit.
It's falsehoods, not the truth, that need fear critique, as Patrick Henry once said.


This crap is funny as Pee Wee Herman's great adventure.
Davo, what the hell is freakin FALSE PARANOIA?

Can and do you ever instigate IT?
When it comes to the 911 TRAGEDIES ----- any and all, should ban
anyone that thinks -----false paranoia is even a false concept.
It's bullcrap spin not the truth, that need fear critique, as donny once said.


[edit on 28-10-2009 by Donny 4 million]



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 09:10 PM
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Originally posted by GoodOlDave
Becuase A) the ones in charge of the opium are the local warlords, not the US. Insinuating the US is involved in opium production when the Afghans had been successfully growing opium there for the last 5,000 years on their own is absurd, and B) there are no "big fat oil and gas pipelines running all the way through it". Karzai wants a pipeline deal to bring in revenue, but the entire country is so [censored] up that noone wants to even install a storm drain there, let alone an oil pipe, as everyone knows it'll be blown up every ten minutes.


Sorry, but you’re a little off the mark here. I’ve been to Afghanistan twice in recent years – trust me, the pipeline is a done deal – has been for years. Just because it hasn’t been constructed yet means very little. I wish I could share with you some of the photos we’d taken for work. Believe me, it’s a done deal. Karzai was installed for precisely this reason. The US was even aware of his pro-Iranian stance, but knew it wouldn’t be an issue, given that the pipelines would be corporate-owned, not government-owned. This is all public record.

Also, forget what you read about the local warlords being in charge of the opium trade. In reality, they are nothing more than merchants in the field. The officials who administer the opium trade and allow the warlords to remain functioning (and therefore indirectly the Karzai administration) benefit far more greatly.


“In 2004 he [Hamid Karzai] rejected a US proposal to end poppy production in Afghanistan through aerial spraying of chemical herbicides, fearing that it would harm the economic situation of his countrymen” (Posner 2009).


Think about what that means – the ‘economic situation’ of his countrymen is that their primary export is opium. These are not the actions of a man combating ‘warlords’.

Further:

In a revealing news post by the Associated Press, published in the Texas-based Daily Times, Tuesday October 27, 2009, Afghanistan’s President Hamid Karzai’s brother Ahmed Ali Karzai was reported working for the CIA. The story tells that Ahmed Karzai has been receiving regular payment from the CIA for his work over the past eight years.

Since Karzai is suspected of involvement in the illegal opium trade of Afghanistan, there are also reports of division within the white house over CIA’s connection with Karzai. Even President Karzai is finding himself in increasingly tense relations with the US leadership due to his brother’s connection with the opium trade.

But a serious side of the issue is the question of CIA’s own involvement in furthering opium trade through its ties with important people in Afghanistan. In the words of an American high military intelligence official in Afghanistan, this makes the US intelligence ‘backing thug’ in the Afghan crisis. Ahmed Karzai is being used by the CIA even to communicate with locals loyal to Taliban and the fact that CIA spokesman George Little has declined to offer any comment on the news story sounds like a silent confirmation of the messy things carried out by foreign intelligence agencies operating in Afghanistan.


There’s some more of the ‘full story’…

(Sorry - tried to keep this brief because it was not my intention to derail the thread)

Rewey



posted on Oct, 28 2009 @ 11:42 PM
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Originally posted by GoodOlDave
Insinuating the US is involved in opium production when the Afghans had been successfully growing opium there for the last 5,000 years on their own is absurd.


Oil has existed in the middle east for millions of years. Are you going to tell me that the US has nothing to do with oil production in the region?

Is it absurd to suggest that as well?

Rewey

[edit on 29-10-2009 by Rewey]



posted on Oct, 29 2009 @ 01:43 AM
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i dont think the OP is disinfo.

I think he's a schoolboy.....

And to his supporters,

Do you realise how absolutely ridiculous you look?????

1 nil to the truthers so far in the match, and the opposition aint going to score if this is the best game its got......

Thanks for dropping by bud......



posted on Oct, 29 2009 @ 01:59 AM
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I believe when explosives are found in the rubble of a 47 story building, which went from fully intact to a pile of rubble in 6.4 seconds, that explosives were used to bring it down. The fact that no airplane hit WTC bldg 7 makes it even more obvious.

Call me whatever you like.

Addressing a further point of the OP - I don't like that people are divided on this issue. Emotion and belief trump fact in this case.

I care about justice in this case because I believe whomever is responsible for the events of 9/11 is still working to cause harm.

Just a couple of pesky facts:
* The hole in the pentagon was smaller than the airplane they claim hit it.
* No airplane black boxes have been found.
* Evidence of high-tech explosives have been found in numerous government and independant evaluations of the rubble and dust from the buildings which collapsed in New York.
* Bldg 7 - no airplane hit it, yet it fell exactly as it would have in an explosive-induced demolition.

AE911Truth for scientific proof and nearly a thousand professional architects, engineers, and demolition experts that know a WHOLE LOT MORE than we do.

I passed on this thread for days because it seems pointless to defend fact against someone who is just name-calling and trying to seperate people.



[edit on 29-10-2009 by notreallyalive]



posted on Oct, 29 2009 @ 02:03 AM
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Originally posted by jthomas
The only success Truthers ever had was way back in 1945.

Possibly my new favorite video…


“All these idiots do is throw out one BS claim after another!
Even when those get debunked they just throw out more!
Its an endless cycle like a game of whack-a-mole!”

Truer words have never been spoken, I fell out of my chair laughing.



posted on Oct, 29 2009 @ 02:12 AM
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Originally posted by crmanager
Short and to the point...

Before 9/11 we were split and divided as a nation and a world.

After 9/11, even if it was briefly, the nation and the world was united in its disgust at the act. Then you TRUTHERS came




I really believe you feel this way. It was a very emotional event and I know there are a lot of people who lost friends and family, and 3,000 people died on American soil.

I hope that at some point the facts of the incident break through the obvious emotional trauma you have. Hate is a terrible seperator of people and I really feel that you hate people like me for searching for information.

Hang in there
we're ALL people just trying to deal with a bad situation.



posted on Oct, 29 2009 @ 03:42 AM
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Originally posted by crmanager
You divided! You lied (missles, CIA, Bilderberg, NWO, Dick Cheney...)

My opinion? YOU are the NWO. YOU are the attempt to drive us apart.

Only a complete lunatic believes your theories (small black holes, explosives...


So... ur upset we divided the complete lunatics from the normal population??



posted on Oct, 29 2009 @ 05:14 AM
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so let me get this straight...

your trying to say that good honest American's who ask questions are the problem?

Because people do not just shut up & swallow the outrageous claims by so called "official's" ... that we are in the wrong?

that kind of talk sounds completely Anti-American to me..

1984

Because people listen to eye witness's testimony we are somehow at fault? Explosions in the basement ripping heavy fire doors off of their hinges & wounding people over 70 stories below? how in the hell did something blow up in the basement? seriously?
911 Keymaster

Google Video Link


how about questioning what was going on the weekend before the "attacks"? really? the whole place was sectioned off & shut down? excuse me?

Ask a question about the Insider Trading & your Anti-American? To think that people who made inside trades & made large sums of money did not have any information on file to be found, questioned & cleared?


Google Video Link


Simply inquire as to what Wargames were going on the day of sept 11th & how they prevented jets from being able to do their job? Which was performed at least 67 times the year before perfectly? you seriously believe they messed up for the 1st time.. FOUR times in one day? in one hour and a half?

Or Mohamed Atta as a part of Able Danger? His girlfriends testimony of how he was not an Islamic Fundamentalist?

Google Video Link


what about the pentagon witnesses?


Minetta tells 9/11 Commission Cheney knew exact flight path...
"do the orders still stand"? what order? Why do you not want to know?

what about videos with explosions hours later before WTC7 supposedly fell from fire?

it seems you just refuse to think for yourself. You are trying to blame Good Americans who are willing to simply ask questions. Obviously there are many witnesses being avoided...

watch this.. at 21min 30 sec's... is that not an explosion? hours later? NO planes around?


Google Video Link


Shameful how your attacking people who are doing their duty as Americans demanding the truth be told... by the way after all these years.. the scary man they told you did this attack from a cave is NOT even WANTED for the attack on 911 by the FBI..

Do not blame your fellow Americans who would like an honest open investigation into what happened that day..

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania (1759)

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." -- Mark Twain

"A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government." - Edward Abbey



posted on Oct, 29 2009 @ 06:35 AM
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I am sure this well prepared post will attract nothing of substance from the detractors. Are they anti-American ? You can bet your sweet butt they are.

Are they even worthy of being called uninformed moron,nut job, whack-a-mole hoaxers. Sure they are.
The 911 TRAGEDIES are nothing but a sick game of zero intellect for them.
One thing for sure is at least they hang around to be told. The truth that is.
Nice work reeferman.



posted on Oct, 29 2009 @ 08:01 AM
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Originally posted by notreallyalive
reply to post by crmanager
 


I believe when explosives are found in the rubble of a 47 story building, which went from fully intact to a pile of rubble in 6.4 seconds, that explosives were used to bring it down. The fact that no airplane hit WTC bldg 7 makes it even more obvious.

Call me whatever you like.

Addressing a further point of the OP - I don't like that people are divided on this issue. Emotion and belief trump fact in this case.

I care about justice in this case because I believe whomever is responsible for the events of 9/11 is still working to cause harm.

Just a couple of pesky facts:
* The hole in the pentagon was smaller than the airplane they claim hit it.
* No airplane black boxes have been found.
* Evidence of high-tech explosives have been found in numerous government and independant evaluations of the rubble and dust from the buildings which collapsed in New York.
* Bldg 7 - no airplane hit it, yet it fell exactly as it would have in an explosive-induced demolition.

AE911Truth for scientific proof and nearly a thousand professional architects, engineers, and demolition experts that know a WHOLE LOT MORE than we do.

I passed on this thread for days because it seems pointless to defend fact against someone who is just name-calling and trying to seperate people.



[edit on 29-10-2009 by notreallyalive]


Responses to Popular Mechanics (The noted NWO mouthpiece...)

WTC 7?

Many conspiracy theorists point to FEMA's preliminary report, which said there was relatively light damage to WTC 7 prior to its collapse. With the benefit of more time and resources, NIST researchers now support the working hypothesis that WTC 7 was far more compromised by falling debris than the FEMA report indicated. "The most important thing we found was that there was, in fact, physical damage to the south face of building 7," NIST's Sunder tells PM. "On about a third of the face to the center and to the bottom — approximately 10 stories — about 25 percent of the depth of the building was scooped out." NIST also discovered previously undocumented damage to WTC 7's upper stories and its southwest corner.


The small hole in the pentagon?

Why wasn't the hole as wide as a 757's 124-ft.-10-in. wingspan? A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says ASCE team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University. In this case, one wing hit the ground; the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon's load-bearing columns, explains Sozen, who specializes in the behavior of concrete buildings. What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass. "If you expected the entire wing to cut into the building," Sozen tells PM, "it didn't happen."


It was a TERRORIST ATTACK!




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