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Palestinians' Water Cut 'To A Trickle'

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posted on Oct, 27 2009 @ 03:35 AM
reply to post by Now_Then

Heard this reported on the BBC news. Amnesty's report was dismissed as inaccurate by Israel. It's maddening how they deflect everything.

posted on Oct, 27 2009 @ 03:50 AM
Just another introduced measure to get the Palestinians to up-sticks and move, allowing the crazy inbred European settlers in. If that doesn't work, they'll just continue the demolitions and the settlers will continue their gang attacks, under the watchful eyes of the police and IDF.

This, and the Goldstone report, shows that at last the true nature of Israeli oppression is starting to get out more. Trouble is, if cornered too much, the Israelis are likley to kick something off and drag others into it, just to cover their own crimes.

posted on Oct, 27 2009 @ 05:11 AM
Just so were clear on how these people are affected. Taken from the "info" section of youtube.

Some 100 Israeli activists left Tel Aviv and Jerusalem to bring water to several isolated villages in the South Hebron Mount. These villages suffer more than anywhere else from Israel's racist water policy, as they lack connection to water pipes, and suffer from army attacks on what few water wells and deposits they have. Busses where harassed several times on the way, and stopped completely near the Carmel illegal settlement, where soldiers claimed the area was a closed military zone, though no warrant was shown. Activists got off the busses and started marching, passing the bewildered soldiers and policemen and moving on towards their destination. Attempts to stop the spontaneous march failed, and the hostile forces left the area.

Meeting with Palestinian partners, activists mounted water trucks and tractors and traveled the dessert until they reached a physical block on the road, put there by the army to make Palestinians' lives harder. A mass direct action, backed by a bulldozer hired for the cause, broke the road open and allowed water trucks to pass. At this point four soldiers appeared and tried to arrest the driver for the bulldozer, or at least stop it from moving. And so the activists split, leaving a small group to safe guard the bulldozer and allowing the majority to move on to the final destination.

It took the small group that stayed back two hours to convince the soldiers to leave and to secure the safe return of the bulldozer and its owner to their home. Meanwhile, the main group reached the destined villages and transferred eight trucks full of water to local residents. Four army vehicles showed up too late to stop the action, and though declaring the area a closed military zone (this time with a warrant) - could not really do anything to the activists.

With the road open, the water at its rightful place and with no arrests or wounded - the action was declared a success.

Partner organizations in the protest convoy:
Anarchists Against the Wall,
Humans without Borders,
Bat Shalom,
Gush Shalom,
Public Committee against Torture in Israel,
Tarabut Hithabrut,
Hadash, Yesh Gvul,
Combatants for Peace,
New Profile,
Coalition of Women for Peace,
Physicians for Human Rights,

Taayush Arab Jewish Partnership;
Palestinian organizations supporting the water campaign:

House of Water &Environment,
Life Source,
Medical Relief Society,
Palestinian Environmental NGOs Net work (PENGON),
Palestinian Farmers Union,
Palestinian Hydrology Group,
Palestinian Institute for Water Issues Training,
Palestinian Peasants Union,

Union of Agricultural Work Committees;
International organizations supporting the water campaign:

International Solidarity Movement,
International Women's Peace Services,
Michigan Peacemakers Team,
CCIPPT-France Civil for Palestine

posted on Oct, 27 2009 @ 05:41 AM
Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I prefer to hear both sides of an argument when I read an accusation like this before reaching conclusions and condemning people.

Maybe before people jump to attack Israel, they might wish to read this article on JPost which puts things into a bit of perspective:

Water Authority: Amnesty didn't consult us over report

Not much of this article is covered in Western media, and it does shed a different light on things.

Don't suppose most of the posters in this thread will bother though, who cares about listening to both sides when there's an opportunity to slate Israel huh?

[edit on 27-10-2009 by mattpryor]

posted on Oct, 27 2009 @ 06:41 AM
reply to post by mattpryor

What your suggesting is that listening to NBC or CNN or Fox or AP would ever denounce the U.S. block against any move it made on a global scale. You should be more neutral as to what news agency one should post as biased.

Either way, every country has its News Block which in turn is a propaganda machine, similar to its Military Machine, the only difference is they use the Internet/Radio/Newspapers/Religion/Charity Groups instead of Weapons.

The truth behind any covert ops is the amount of civilian casualties, the more there are, the more successful the infiltration has been in the eyes of the world population. Oh yes, before i forget, i am very much one sided on this issue as its obvious who is being bombed back to the stone age over a 25 year period with the backing of the U.S.

Remove the U.S. umbrella from Israel and it will be a blood bath throughout the middle east, that is the reality and that is the way the cookie crumbles.

posted on Oct, 27 2009 @ 06:50 AM
reply to post by tristar

All I asked for was a bit of balance.

You've read the Amnesty opinion on the situation. If you want to have a balanced and reasoned opinion of your own, read the Israeli perspective.

Or if you want to hold onto your prejudices, don't bother.

I don't care either way.

posted on Oct, 27 2009 @ 07:05 AM
reply to post by mattpryor

No, people won't bother, because we ALL KNOW how Israel lies. They don't need to be "consulted" in any aspect. They still lie about using white phosphorous despite the fact that millions of people globally saw them. I mean, are these people seriously THAT deluded, they think they can kill and maim thousands of people, then claim it didn't happen, and expect people to just believe it (no doubt their own brainwashed people do)?

Would you have "consulted" Hitler when trying to establish what was going on in the concentration camps!? NO, of course you wouldn't because you wouldn't trust a single utterance of his evil regime!

Exactly the same applies here. Why would anyone even ask THIS evil government about anything?

You, sir, in the kindest way possible, are a deluded fool who will fall on his own sword to defend the most horrific acts conducted by your "holy" government. I've encountered you in every recent thread discussing Israel (though never many other places, strangely enough), and we all know your views are extremely biased.

Most of us accept that Hamas are acting violently toward Israel (but then we also have to wonder what we would do in this situation, and I would be defending my people against an oppressive invading regime too), but you resolutely deny that Israel has EVER done ANYTHING wrong.

Therefore, IMO, your views and opinions are null and void. If you cannot see the basic facts of the matter with any detachment, your opinion means nothing to me, and I suspect many others.

Israel = brainwashed, hateful, violent, deceitful thieves.

Now, if you don't mind, I'm off to buy (or make) a "FU*K ISRAEL" T-shirt.

posted on Oct, 27 2009 @ 07:09 AM
reply to post by mattpryor

Actually i do have daily updates of what the JP has in circulation, that does mean both digital and printed format.

As for my opinion, its pretty well defined in other topics i have opened regarding the Middle East.

Israel has outdone itself in one too many ways, the U.S. administration is aware of this as are the E.U. leaders. Eventually one day the world will wake up to a news story which will shock the very foundations on how people view the U.S. foreign policy. As the saying goes, don't bite the hand that feeds you, in all cases its, the U.S. who are feeding those that need to be fed.

posted on Oct, 27 2009 @ 07:12 AM
reply to post by detachedindividual

LOL, wanting to hear both sides of a story before making my own mind up constitutes brain washing and bias now?

You keep hanging onto that anger and hatred, champ. I'm sure it'll help the Palestinians no end.

posted on Oct, 27 2009 @ 07:13 AM
reply to post by mattpryor

Well the JPost very biased in most peoples opinion but even they admit that Israel is holding the Palestinians to random over the water issue.

Water resources are one of the final-status negotiation issues between Israel and the PA, and it is safe to assume that no lasting changes will be made outside the context of those talks. Nevertheless, Amnesty has called on Israel to divide up the shared water resources now and end discrimination against Palestinians in favor of settlers.

From you link (emp mine) - Why would they hold on to water as a final issue? Ask your self that one - one thing that Israel is good at is giving everyone else the cynical run around while they just carry on like they are the centre of the universe.

But good on Israel - you don't have to care what the rest of the world thinks of you, you just keep your chin high, your noses stuck up in the air (and maybe think about having a structural engineer survey the foundations on your moral high ground soon).

posted on Oct, 27 2009 @ 07:44 AM
Water distribution, as I understand it, is a tricky issue with regards to negotiations. Treating water requires a lot of engineering skills and money to run. That money and technical know-how doesn't come from Palestinians, it comes largely from Israelis and Israeli tax payers.

How exactly this will be addressed when those treatment plants and aquifers are under full Palestinian Authority control is a thorny subject, which is why it is a final status issue. Funnily enough, given the bad blood and history between them, the Israeli government isn't very comfortable with the idea of Palestinians controlling their water supply.

Care to comment on the other item in the article, which is that the amount of water per capita for Israelis (Arab and non-Arab) has gone down since 1967 and the amount of water per capita for Palestinians has gone up? Or that Israel provides Palestinian Authority with far more fresh water than they are obliged to under the Oslo Accords? No mention of that in Amnesty's report or the Beeb's interpretation of it.

Israel is an arid country which has to support millions of people. That requires modern technology and technical know-how to recycle it efficiently, not wells dug in peoples' back yards.

Welcome to the 21st century.

posted on Oct, 27 2009 @ 08:14 AM

* Israel has "entirely appropriated the Palestinians' share of the Jordan river" and uses 80% of a key shared aquifer

* West Bank Palestinians are not allowed to drill wells without Israeli permits, which are "often impossible" to obtain

* Rainwater harvesting cisterns are "often destroyed by the Israeli army"

* Israeli soldiers confiscated a water tanker from villagers who were trying to remain in land Israel had declared a "closed military area"

* An unnamed Israeli soldier says rooftop Palestinian household water tanks are "good for target practice"

* Much of the land cut off by the West Bank barrier is land with good access to a major aquifer

* Israeli military operations have damaged Palestinian water infrastructure, including $6m worth during the Cast Lead operation in Gaza last winter

* The Israeli-Egyptian blockade of Gaza has "exacerbated what was already a dire situation" by denying many building materials needed for water and sewage projects.


While innocent israel claims:

Israel says it has met its obligations under the 1993 Oslo agreement while Palestinians have failed to meet their own requirements to recycle water and were not distributing water efficiently.

Well duhh palestinians would obviously fail to meet their own requirements when facing a huge blockade.

Israel's water authority called the report "biased and incorrect, at the very least" and said that while there was a water gap, it was not nearly as big as presented in Amnesty's findings.

Yeh of course israel would call it 'biased', as long as they enjoy their lush gardens with fountains and nice cool swimming pools while the palestinians enjoy the polluted shortage version of the PURE WATER.


posted on Oct, 27 2009 @ 08:18 AM
reply to post by mattpryor

Why do you think the Palestinians can not pay

Why are they still been occupied is that legal

All i see is Israel trying to rid themselves of the Palestinians so they can have all the land and water but they will always say they did nothing wrong and the American and British Government will stand by them no mater what.


posted on Oct, 27 2009 @ 08:30 AM
Care to comment on why the individual's cistern collecting rainwater was destroyed ? For Lack of a permit ?

No wonder the Palestinians resort to terrorism. What abuse..

This entire agenda is becoming quite clear.

The Rothschilds are Satanists who stole the Palestinian land from the foreclosed German allied Ottoman Empire after WWI for non payment of loans in which Israel now exists.

9/11 was orchestrated to create the dissent/hatred against Muslims amongst the US sheeple as well as to use the US military to fight their wars.

Follow the money and Look at who benefitted from the WTC demolition, Larry Silverstein....using blatant insurance fraud.

Iraq ....Afghanistan.... and now they're trying to campaign against Iran....whose people are Muslims.

Yes, This entire agenda is becoming quite clear.

posted on Oct, 27 2009 @ 08:31 AM

Originally posted by HunkaHunka
This is nothing short of GENOCIDE!

Shame on you Israel!

Shame on you!

Watch out, you might join the dreaded "anti-semitic Israel hating" club.

posted on Oct, 27 2009 @ 08:31 AM
reply to post by merkava

In the Gaza Strip, where the Palestinians are in full control, over 3,000 unapproved wells were drilled immediately following Israel's withdrawal, causing a severe drop in water levels and seriously harming the quality of water in the Gaza Aquifer and the general Gaza water economy. This situation is ongoing and is even intensifying (there are many more unapproved than approved wells). The total damage caused is clear and is difficult to reverse.

The phenomenon in Gaza has not been stopped and the only ones affected are the Gaza residents (although it may be reasonably assumed that without proper supervision and enforcement, even the Mountain Aquifer will eventually be severely affected).

From the Israeli Water Authority's document on Palestinian-Israeli water agreements (Source PDF)

Blockade has nothing to do with it, this has been going on for years. They dump raw sewage into the Med and blame Israel blockades, even though they were doing it before there were any blockades.

As for illegal wells - you're not allowed to dig wells without permits in Virginia, so why do you scream that Palestinians aren't allowed to do it in Israel?

posted on Oct, 27 2009 @ 08:41 AM

Originally posted by BlackShark

Originally posted by HunkaHunka
This is nothing short of GENOCIDE!

Shame on you Israel!

Shame on you!

Watch out, you might join the dreaded "anti-semitic Israel hating" club.

Also reffered to as the "willing to ask questions coalition".

posted on Oct, 27 2009 @ 08:47 AM

Sewage discharged from Palestinian communities in the West Bank flows by gravity towards Israel, principally to the west but also to the south (from Hebron and neighbouring communities) and towards the east (from the Jerusalem area). The discharge of untreated sewage is a danger to health, the environment and the water resources in the West Bank and
Israel. The Interim Agreement holds the Palestinians responsible for treating their sewage.

However, in contrast to the extensive activity evident in the field of water supply installations, no significant progress has been made with respect to Palestinian wastewater treatment plants and proper reuse of the effluents for agriculture, and this essential activity, which is a binding part of the Water Agreement, has been stalled for years. Most seriously affected are the Kishon, Alexander-Nablus, Modiin, Kidron and Hebron streams.


Is this Israel's fault too?

posted on Oct, 27 2009 @ 08:47 AM
reply to post by mattpryor

We're tired of the Israeli perspective - it is full of lies, obfuscations and outright propaganda!
The simple truth is that Israel is guilty of committing crimes against humanity - namely genocide and there is little being done to correct the problem. Israel is nothing more than a hemmorhoid on the ass of the middle east that needs to be removed. You want to see peace in the middle east? Eliminate Israel!

posted on Oct, 27 2009 @ 08:48 AM
reply to post by mattpryor

"Israel allows the Palestinians access to only a fraction of the shared water resources, which lie mostly in the occupied West Bank", Donatella Rovera, an Amnesty researcher, said.

The Amnesty report said Israel uses more than 80 per cent of water drawn from the aquifer and while Israel has other water sources, the aquifer is the West Bank's only supply of water.

In the Gaza Strip, several repair works were under way to improve sanitation before the Israeli blockade was imposed in 2007.

But the projects have been on hold under the siege, as Israel is preventing repair materials from coming into the Strip.

The water situation in Gaza had now reached a "crisis point," with 90 to 95 per cent of the water supply contaminated and unfit for human consumption, Rovera said.


So why would Amnesty be biased? Is Hamas funding them?

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