Ahh so lord sterns agenda is now crystal clear,he wants to take away all my meat and turn me into a vegetable! Not on my watch Mr!

Propaganda. There is PLENTY of land and resources for everyone who wants to eat meat. America exports billions of dollars worth of food every year anyways. Now animal cruelty related to cows, pigs, and chickens is an entirely different issue as is sustainable agricultural practices.

UN figures suggest that meat production is responsible for about 18 per cent of global carbon emissions, including the destruction of forest land for cattle ranching and the production of animal feeds such as soy.

On average, a British person eats 50g of protein derived from meat each day — the equivalent of a chicken breast or a lamb chop. This is a relatively low level for a wealthy country but between 25 per cent and 50 per cent higher than the amount recommended by the World Health Organisation.

This has got to stop!! Who are these idiots?? Meat is concentrated vegetables!!
These people & their lies MUST be stopped!!
Stern? Stern? Any relation to Howard? Might explain him being a little off.

uuummmm...........Let me think on this one.

Yeah, ok, I am ready to answer now.

Ah, NO.

There are a whole bunch of reasons why it would be a good idea for people to reduce the amount of meat they eat, or eliminate it altogether. Excessive meat consumption is bad for your health and bad for the environment. Never mind global warming, I'm talking about polluting the ground water and air, decimating forests, cramming animals together so that diseases flourish, and so on. Cholesterol, obesity, you get my drift.

We could improve our quality of life and our earth, by cutting down on the meat. You really don't need a huge slab of meat every day. A little bit of meat in a dish is just fine. You get your protein, without clogging your arteries.

Why do you think we've got problems with swine flu and avian flu, SARS, and so on? Farm factories where animals are crowded together in unsanitary conditions, causing any illness to sicken thousands of these animals, and then pass on to us.

We simply don't need to eat as much meat as most of us (in the US, anyway) do.

For a number of reasons including:

- Local pollution
- Methane emissions (although engineering could turn this into an advantage for energy production)
- Inefficient use of land and earth resources (water, crops for animal food which could have been used for human-grade food, etc) compared to plantations of meat substitutes.
- Health benefits
- etc.

I agree that a reduction (not elimination) of the personal amount of meat intake should be encouraged. But not enforced.

[edit on 2009-10-27 by Shirakawa]

Originally posted by chiron613
There are a whole bunch of reasons why it would be a good idea for people to reduce the amount of meat they eat, or eliminate it altogether.

You do realize that without our anscestors eating meat when they climbed out of trees that we wouldn't be here now, right? The addition of meat to our diet enabled out brains to grow to the size it has, grains alone would not have done that.

Also the cultivation of rice in long ago times resulted in a marked increase in methane due to farming in rice paddies. I just read a report on those findings a little while ago.

The main problem is we are too smart now and can sustain far too many humans on this planet. And the number is growing....got a solution for that?

dbl post sry


[edit on 27-10-2009 by pavil]

Originally posted by chiron613

Why do you think we've got problems with swine flu and avian flu, SARS, and so on? Farm factories where animals are crowded together in unsanitary conditions, causing any illness to sicken thousands of these animals, and then pass on to us.

We simply don't need to eat as much meat as most of us (in the US, anyway) do.

Um Avian Flu :- as soon as swine became big, the powers that be told us that Avian flu was not a major issue as it struggle to gestate in colder climbs.

Sars :- Another flash in the pan, seemed nasty but when was the last time anyone mentioned sars ????

Swine flu :- Here in the UK most cases of swine fle are not even confirmed, you ring the help line say yes to maybe 4-5 of the symptoms and hey presto you get a number to call for tamiflu, but the figure goes down as a swine flu case. So alot of the so called swine flu cases might be nothing more than a heavy cold or seasonal flu.

Yes farming animals so close together is a bad thing but lets face it, it is driven by profit and greed, so as long as the rich people see good returns on their investments the world governments will not want to see an end to it.

With a bit of research the last mentioned case I found of SARS was 30th April 2004.

[edit on 27-10-2009 by colec156]

[edit on 27-10-2009 by colec156]

So, I'm curious.
Why are people so against giving up meat anyway?
I've stopped for four months now and i've never felt better!

Originally posted by aorAki
So, I'm curious.
Why are people so against giving up meat anyway?
I've stopped for four months now and i've never felt better!

I stopped eating meat for a while, I felt no difference at all.
I'm not against people giving up meat, it is their choice.
I don't want to give meat up as I enjoy it as part of my diet.