Originally posted by Pr0t0
Guys I hate to burst bubbles, although appreciated there is still tangible threads of civility left, even amongst the youth, the actual violence
fueled mostly by alcohol in town's and city's across the UK and Ireland is horrific... and the women are as bad as the men here.
Agreed, one of the notable social changes has been the acceptance of female drinkers, ladette culture, and the advent of alcopop - alcohol that
doesn't take like alcohol. Perfect for the lady.
I've seen brawls in Manchester, Liverpool, Leeds, London, Birmingham, Warrington, Wigan, St Helens, Bangor, Cardiff... the list goes on. This isn't
sensationalized imo - pick up any of these area's 'local' papers and I guarantee there's the murder of someone on a night out somewhere in the
first few pages almost, if not, every week.
I've seen fights all over too. But my dad is 60 and told me tales of what used to happen when he was my age (20s) in North Staffordshire. SOME people
have a skinfull and have a fight. It's a fact, and its always been that way. And as for murders, that IS sensationalism. You can't 'guarantee'
that as you claim, because it's simply not true. Somebody does not get murdered in the suburbs every week as a result of being on a night out. If
they did we'd be at the top of the world murder rates table. You're saying if i went to any town in Britain, got a copy of its weekly newspaper, i
would find a murder in there? No chance. If i did that 52 times, i may get one or two.
My generation went through this 10 years ago... and from what I can see it IS getting worse. Gangs of kids stone, beat and rob the elderly; and I
think for the most part this is due to the availability of and peer pressure to partake in alcohol and drugs. The 'CHAV' culture (Council Housed And
Violent!!) is becoming the norm in suburban Britain as inner cities are becoming (moreso) gang culture.
Please find me one incident involving a gang of kids stoning, beating and robbing the elderly? It sounds to me like you'be swallowed the hyperbole.
I'm not saying this generation isn't bad, but is it really much worse than previous ones?
What about the mods and rockers in the 60s? They'd meet up on Brighton beach and stab each other, use knuckle-dusters and bike chains, purely as a
release of aggression.
What about skinheads and the rise of the football hooligan in the 70s? Whay about the lads that went "paki-bashing"? What about the nihlistic punks
with no respect for anyone or anything? What about the men in the northern colliery towns who'd beat up anyone they perceived to be homosexual or
What about the lads in borstal in the 80s? What about the 2tone movement. Lest we forget the lyrics from The Specials 'Ghost Town'
"All the clubs are being closed down
Can't go on much more
Too much fighting on the dance-floor"
Britain has always been a violent country. What we are faced with at the moment is an all pervading 24 hour news society. Citizen journalism and the
rise of the internet allow us to have access to stories that is unprecedented. However, this also allows us to manipulated by the politics of fear.
I'm not saying we're living in a time of peace and roses, because its obvious we're not.
Crime is the lowest its ever been, yet perception or fear of crime is higher than ever. Why is this??
I genuinely wish it was sensationalized - but Britain just ain't what it used to be. And sadly it's the majority who take part.
If it was the majority taking part, wouldn't the majority of people have a criminal record or be in jail?
It's not the majority. It's very far from the majority. Don't fall for that nonsense.
Britian is exactly what it used to be. Violent and unforgiving. But also cordial, civil and friendly. A land of contrasts. The more things change, the
more things stay the same.