I have to agree with you worldwatcher. Religion has absolutely nothing to do with the Israel/Palestine conflict like you say.

To take it a step further, threads like this and the state of the world are why I myself have chosen not to observe any religion at all.

Religion these days is mainly used as a tool to elevate one group, and dehumanize the next for the purpose of theft and murder. Keeping people divided by blind hatred, while their pig leaders steal from all of you.

No one realizes that they are ALL suckers.

Without all this religious zealotry and racism we would have to respect one another as equals and negotiate peaceful solutions to problems. What a scary world that would be huh? Only scary to the pigs who try and divide us, as they would be powerless. Their money worthless, and their agendas nothing more than pipe dreams.

Why is it that people cant just live their lives without persecution? Why is it that people can't respect each other's space? Why is it that people are DUMB enough to believe that some fictional god gave them a piece of land? mind you, a god no one has any proof STILL to even exist? It's ridiculous. If you cant prove your gods exist, then how could the same fictional god have given you anything???? It's simple. You cant.

I'll tell you what I can prove to exist...
Love and compassion exists. And you all know it. It's something we feel in our hearts when we see an innocent child lose his parents to guns and bombs. It's something we feel inside whether we like it or not. Doesnt matter if it's an arabic child, a jewish child or a christian child. it's a child!

Anger exists too, but if we all just take a second to think about things and realize that if we arent hearing any of this religious agenda we're fed from GOD and instead hearing it from the criminals who have the nerve to call themselves messengers of god, we'll probably find that our anger with one another is all unfounded and should be directed at the very frauds who use all this religion to divide us and make us kill one another. And for what?????

Wake up.

Without all this false blind hatred, dumb fairy tales and criminals, there is only love.

I have been an angry person for a long time because of what i see all around me. But it's taken me a long time to realize who I am really angry at. It's definitely not the guy across from me that I dont understand. What did he do to me? nothing.

It's the guy that lied and told me that man across from me is evil that i am angry with. We need to drop the weapons, stop the religious zealotry, the dehumanization of the other guy and go after the people responsible for causing all of it if we want peace in the world.

That's the only way the madness is going to stop.
We're all intelligent people here. Why do we have to have these arguments? There is no argument.

Well let's see, Allah is the God of Abraham, the one who gave Moses the Ten Commandments, the God on the top of Sinai, the God of Solomon and David. So if he isn't the same then who is the Christian God?

The Arabs and Turks have nothing to show but it is evident how cursed they are in bondage that Moses was in and how Christ made up for it for setting us free, now the wanabies want to bring back old Moses traditions when they are already 3000 years out of date.

The curse has brought women to cover themselves up as the Koran suggests, it has created a one world matrix view of the world Islam or Infidel and their nations are desserts and dry. Only conquest and war have designed their doing and undoing, it has never been about choice, it has been about people having o choice and live under it Islamic Laws and culture.

Today Islamic cities and towns across Europe and the world filled with Muslims have become separatist areas, they have not brought people together they isolated themselves and the free world around them and caused a circumference of isolation and fear.

The last thing Europe needs is Sharia Law, yes the European leaders are delusional and are in a hypnotic state, they have abandoned Christianity, but the corrosion has been a double reaction of political correctness and rejection of the original faith, I think Arabia is a pawn to wake up the sleeping giants of the free world, does not mean God favours it, it just means the Satan verses God game is getting closer and Israel and prophecy is heating up, the King will come soon but we know the other false King is in waiting but God will let him have his first move.

I would like to see Eurabia but my feeling is that it will fail, unless the curse is lifted.

The word belief/faith explains what we are talking about in this thread :

the trust in the truth of a statement or of the existence of something or
someone.

Therefore there cannot be proof of God.

The existence of the historical figure Jesus is not proven as yet to my
knowledge. They are still researching on it. So we have to have the trust
in the truth of his existence : we believe.

The historical figure of Mohammed, however, was documented in writing
in his time. That means we do not have to believe in his existence. We know
for sure.

Mohammed copied from the New Testament and from the Torah. That is
probably, why the two peoples of the Book later had a privileged position
under Islam in that they could opt for taxes to avoid conversion.

Jesus, although his existence is not proven, is a prophet of Islam, too.

Why were we, mankind, so late in history brought to believe in any of
the religions ?

Why did God, no matter how mankind called him, not appear earlier in
history, when ape evolved into man to forgive his sins ?

Why did he have to send out more than one messenger or prophet ?

Why did he not have a message for the animals and the plants or did he ?

Why, as Jesus is a prophet of Islam, do Muslims call the Christian and Jewish believers the unbelievers ?

Houellebecq, the French most read author, believes and expressed his opinion publicly :
"Islam is the dumbest religion I know".

The Islamic imams in France sought a judgement for blasphemy before
French courts and lost, because everyone in a laic country has the right
to his own belief or opinion. The French separated church from state
already over a hundred years ago.

News on German TV tonight talk of uncovering plans of Islamic funda-mentalists in the US with the aim of attacking a written media for Mohammed
caricatures. By coincidence (?) plans were also uncovered in Denmark
to attack a newspaper for the same blasphemy.

Originally posted by OrphenFire

... And I agree, Islam is an evil religion of hate, but it is the right of the people to be evil and hateful.

[edit on 27-10-2009 by OrphenFire]

They have that right????? Not when their evilness and hatefulness kills innocent people. Same for Christians. Same for Jews. They do NOT have that right. It is because they BELIEVE they have that right that religions turn violent.

Christians take a lot of heat for past history, and justly so, but Jesus taught a better way, such as love thy neighbor, and do unto others as you would have them do unto you, and how about ye without sin cast the first stone. And until we ALL learn to live by those principles, the world will continue to be an ugly, barbaric, hateful place.

We have the right to participate (or not) in any religion we choose, but not the right to be evil and/or hateful. Sorry, but I just had to disagree with you on that.