Well my scriptures are probably older than yours, does that mean that the facts in my scriptures supercedes yours?
Stop taking the bible and any other religious writing so literally. They all share the same message when you get past the politics of the time and
regardless of what you think, that message is one of love and peace and it is the basis and only truth from every religion that any human can
understand and see logic in.
you can hate on Islam all you want, I'm out of this discussion, if you search you'll find many anti islams threads on ATS that will help support
your argument, btw. Looks for ones with lots of replies as people tend to flock to the negative whenever they can.
The Islamic 'Lie' & Other Fun Facts, page 2
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reply posted on 26-10-2009 @ 06:37 PM by mr.pain
reply to post by jeddun
I'm not jewish, christian nor muslim but i've read a lot about them yeah especially islam to tell the truth i can't see any of those "truths" you speak about, why don't you speak about the "truths" about the chritianity? Or nevermind i'm not as low as you and saying bad things about many peoples only light, hope their guardian in this time of chaos the results of no nevermind where i want to come is stop saying bad things about others believes and make sure you know about your own first and speak of the lacking parts there before start with things unknown to you, but you have the right to think however.. but to adress people to evil and their religion is a whole other story but i won't say about your, by respect to your God and by respect to the fellow people of your beliefs
but for you.. i got no respect and just say you're a man of God, you don't even have any respect for your God by behaving like this
N.O R.E.S.P.E.C.T - Mr.Pain
I'm not jewish, christian nor muslim but i've read a lot about them yeah especially islam to tell the truth i can't see any of those "truths" you speak about, why don't you speak about the "truths" about the chritianity? Or nevermind i'm not as low as you and saying bad things about many peoples only light, hope their guardian in this time of chaos the results of no nevermind where i want to come is stop saying bad things about others believes and make sure you know about your own first and speak of the lacking parts there before start with things unknown to you, but you have the right to think however.. but to adress people to evil and their religion is a whole other story but i won't say about your, by respect to your God and by respect to the fellow people of your beliefs
but for you.. i got no respect and just say you're a man of God, you don't even have any respect for your God by behaving like this
N.O R.E.S.P.E.C.T - Mr.Pain
reply posted on 26-10-2009 @ 06:38 PM by jeddun
reply to post by worldwatcher
Palestine at one time WAS Israel and Judah it was taken from the Jews. The diaspora followed that event (the dispersal of Jewish people)....so what's your point?
Palestine at one time WAS Israel and Judah it was taken from the Jews. The diaspora followed that event (the dispersal of Jewish people)....so what's your point?
reply posted on 26-10-2009 @ 06:39 PM by jeddun
reply to post by mr.pain
Wow...missing the point again eh? at what point did i claim to be a "man of God"? I'm simply stating historical facts here.
Wow...missing the point again eh? at what point did i claim to be a "man of God"? I'm simply stating historical facts here.
reply posted on 26-10-2009 @ 06:43 PM by jeddun
reply to post by worldwatcher
Cool i can totally understand not wanting to get involved in real issues. No worries...best to focus on discussions about the reptilian races, etc..the flights of fancy if you will.. Religion isn't for everyone to expound upon. It's a toughie.
Once again....i'm NOT saying anything about being better than anyone,,or my beliefs are better...im just re-iterating what anyone can find by reading and watching current events.,...wow no need to get personal or upset.
Cool i can totally understand not wanting to get involved in real issues. No worries...best to focus on discussions about the reptilian races, etc..the flights of fancy if you will.. Religion isn't for everyone to expound upon. It's a toughie.
Once again....i'm NOT saying anything about being better than anyone,,or my beliefs are better...im just re-iterating what anyone can find by reading and watching current events.,...wow no need to get personal or upset.
reply posted on 26-10-2009 @ 06:45 PM by jeddun
reply to post by notreallyalive
eek....what have you been watching? i wanna watch the all is well in the world network too. Are you serious dude? Use your pc and do a search...then come back and feed me the numbers you find. Getting personal and calling me a troll or whatever is unnecessary....sorry my opinions conflict with yours.
eek....what have you been watching? i wanna watch the all is well in the world network too. Are you serious dude? Use your pc and do a search...then come back and feed me the numbers you find. Getting personal and calling me a troll or whatever is unnecessary....sorry my opinions conflict with yours.
reply posted on 26-10-2009 @ 07:00 PM by notreallyalive
reply to post by jeddun
The numbers are from your post!! WTF?
CIA Factbook is a good means of finding data as well.
Then there's this thing called 'Mathematics' were you multiply to get a result.
180 million is the low end, no getting out of it with a lame ass argument like that. You really think that 180 million people in this world wanna strap a bomb to their chest?
The numbers are from your post!! WTF?
CIA Factbook is a good means of finding data as well.
Then there's this thing called 'Mathematics' were you multiply to get a result.
180 million is the low end, no getting out of it with a lame ass argument like that. You really think that 180 million people in this world wanna strap a bomb to their chest?
reply posted on 26-10-2009 @ 07:06 PM by worldwatcher
reply to post by jeddun
You're talking to me about real issues and religion? I've been here over 4 years and have expounded on numerous religious discussion, everything from pro islam, anti islam, pro christian, anti christian, atheism, hinduism, buddhism and everything in between. As for now yes, I prefer flights of fancy, and real current events instead rehashing the same your god is wrong, my god is right centuries old discussion.
perhaps if you had spent sometime researching ATS you would understand why most ignore these discussion and find the religion bashing to be tedious and inflammatory. Seriously do a google search on religion on ATS and start reading, like I said you will find numerous threads that support your anti islam view, you need the fodder.
You're talking to me about real issues and religion? I've been here over 4 years and have expounded on numerous religious discussion, everything from pro islam, anti islam, pro christian, anti christian, atheism, hinduism, buddhism and everything in between. As for now yes, I prefer flights of fancy, and real current events instead rehashing the same your god is wrong, my god is right centuries old discussion.
perhaps if you had spent sometime researching ATS you would understand why most ignore these discussion and find the religion bashing to be tedious and inflammatory. Seriously do a google search on religion on ATS and start reading, like I said you will find numerous threads that support your anti islam view, you need the fodder.
reply posted on 26-10-2009 @ 08:12 PM by bettermakings
I completely agree. For some reason, people do not understand Islam. They want to either blame all religion, or say it's a minority of any
population that is a threat. Not me. I know about Islam.
7% of Muslims worldwide support terrorism, on average (American Muslims are less, British Muslims are more, for example)
www.cnsnews.com...
This adds up to about 91 million Muslims who openly support terrorism. I highly doubt you could find that number or percentage in any other religion.
In Islam, once you become a Muslim, you cannot convert to another religion. Even some "moderate" Islamic nations have the death penalty for apostates, like Iran.
www.bosnewslife.com...
I've talked to many Middle-Eastern people who have (secretly) told me that "the real Muslims are the Taliban". . . or other Extremist groups, like Saudi Arabia where no Bible is allowed, no Church, and generally all religions other than Islam are illegal.
The ONLY nation where Muslims or Islam is persecuted in the world is China.
Q. Where are Christians persecuted? A. Almost all non-Christian nations, and especially Muslim nations...
7% of Muslims worldwide support terrorism, on average (American Muslims are less, British Muslims are more, for example)
www.cnsnews.com...
This adds up to about 91 million Muslims who openly support terrorism. I highly doubt you could find that number or percentage in any other religion.
In Islam, once you become a Muslim, you cannot convert to another religion. Even some "moderate" Islamic nations have the death penalty for apostates, like Iran.
www.bosnewslife.com...
I've talked to many Middle-Eastern people who have (secretly) told me that "the real Muslims are the Taliban". . . or other Extremist groups, like Saudi Arabia where no Bible is allowed, no Church, and generally all religions other than Islam are illegal.
The ONLY nation where Muslims or Islam is persecuted in the world is China.
Q. Where are Christians persecuted? A. Almost all non-Christian nations, and especially Muslim nations...
reply posted on 26-10-2009 @ 08:12 PM by TheWalkingFox
reply to post by jeddun
Watching the religious play with their action figures would be cute, if they weren't adults with a high propensity to violence.
You, good sir, display a not-at-all-surprising lack of knowledge about either Islam or your own religion, whichever of the other two you buy into. Let's start from the top. If you don't mind, I'll presume christianity on your part, as most jews I've met tend to be better-informed about this stuff.
Well, no. The jewish version of god, and the Muslim version of god, are extremely similar. There's a reason for this, which I'll get to in a bit. It is in fact the christian god that stands out of the group as the oddball. Jews and Muslims hold that god is a singular, usually distant entity. Christians believe that god is made of three parts that can have sex with women, give birth to itself and walk as a person, and then die only to come back. The christian god bears more resemblance to the Roman imperial deities (Which Caesars are god? All of them. Which gods are Caesars? Just the one in charge right now) than to the original Jewish god. Or perhaps he has more in common with
Ever had a religious discussion with Hindus? Quite a large number of them are monotheists. You see, all those myriad gods, are simply extensions of the one god, Brahma. Think of them as the father / son / holy ghost trinity, only with a little more variety to the divisions of god.
you've actually got that one backwards. Crack open the bible and the Koran, compare 'em. You'll find that the biblical god is a gigantic prick, even to the people he really, really likes (Seriously? Job, Lot, Moses? Those poor dudes were God's favorites and look what he did to 'em). In the Koran however, Allah is, in fact presented as an infinitely loving, though distant force. Allah doesn't smite, doesn't turn people into salt, and so far as I can tell, never massacred the firstborn of a nation.
And he's never sent bears to eat small children, which is kind of a negative on Allah's part... Because if I could, I would totally sic some grizzlies on the noisy neighbor brats...
Ahem.
Jews, actually. Christians didn't have much of a presence outside of Alexandria really. Most of what we look at today as the middle east was in fact ruled by primarily Jewish kingdoms at the time. Remember where I said there's good reasons Allah and YHWH are so similar? Here's that reason.
Mohammed was Jewish. it's clear that his family believed in one god, only one god, was wealthy and powerful, and his religion is almost straight out of the Torah. This guy couldn't have been any more Jewish if he were eating salmon and bitching about his goy son-in-law (but if there had been salmon in the desert, you totally know he woulda been doing that, too!)
You mean like christianity?
I could say that just as easily about monotheism in general, since whenever someone's come up with the idea, lots of people end up dead. The Aten-worshipping Egyptians had the priests and followers of other gods executed. The jews slaughtered their way through the middle east. The christians killed off lots and lots of people in Europe. Then the Muslims did in most of the local faiths. Then Jews, Muslims, and Christians started their constant slapfighting. hell, over in India, when they invented Buddhism, the early Buddhists tried to eradicate the Hindus, got driven out, and started killing animists in Tibet and Hindus in Indochina. And when the Aztecs and Inca played around with singular deity worship, they simply enslaved and sacrificed entire nations.
So it seems to me that monotheism is like a psychological defect more than anything, akin to the sort of people who put kittens in microwaves.
Not that polytheists were a whole lot better. They just kicked the kitten, though, they didn't get all sadistically creative about it...
Nice how you put people in quote marks. Surely the sign of a stable, humanitarian mind you've got there, mr. "My God is LURRRRRRVE!". And two things. One, Imams are a shia thing. You find 'em here and there, but they're no big whup. And two... Heh. really? They teach about the awesomeness of hte west, do they? You am from bizzaro-world? Beauty are ugly and Middle East are friend?
Watching the religious play with their action figures would be cute, if they weren't adults with a high propensity to violence.
You, good sir, display a not-at-all-surprising lack of knowledge about either Islam or your own religion, whichever of the other two you buy into. Let's start from the top. If you don't mind, I'll presume christianity on your part, as most jews I've met tend to be better-informed about this stuff.
they subscribe to 2 TOTALLY different Gods.
Well, no. The jewish version of god, and the Muslim version of god, are extremely similar. There's a reason for this, which I'll get to in a bit. It is in fact the christian god that stands out of the group as the oddball. Jews and Muslims hold that god is a singular, usually distant entity. Christians believe that god is made of three parts that can have sex with women, give birth to itself and walk as a person, and then die only to come back. The christian god bears more resemblance to the Roman imperial deities (Which Caesars are god? All of them. Which gods are Caesars? Just the one in charge right now) than to the original Jewish god. Or perhaps he has more in common with
Hindu chief Gods, Vishnu and Shiva
Ever had a religious discussion with Hindus? Quite a large number of them are monotheists. You see, all those myriad gods, are simply extensions of the one god, Brahma. Think of them as the father / son / holy ghost trinity, only with a little more variety to the divisions of god.
The God of the Bible is one of LOVE,. Allah has NO emotional feeling toward Man.
you've actually got that one backwards. Crack open the bible and the Koran, compare 'em. You'll find that the biblical god is a gigantic prick, even to the people he really, really likes (Seriously? Job, Lot, Moses? Those poor dudes were God's favorites and look what he did to 'em). In the Koran however, Allah is, in fact presented as an infinitely loving, though distant force. Allah doesn't smite, doesn't turn people into salt, and so far as I can tell, never massacred the firstborn of a nation.
And he's never sent bears to eat small children, which is kind of a negative on Allah's part... Because if I could, I would totally sic some grizzlies on the noisy neighbor brats...
Ahem.
Mohammed worked in professions that brought him in contact with MANY Jews and Christians,
Jews, actually. Christians didn't have much of a presence outside of Alexandria really. Most of what we look at today as the middle east was in fact ruled by primarily Jewish kingdoms at the time. Remember where I said there's good reasons Allah and YHWH are so similar? Here's that reason.
Mohammed was Jewish. it's clear that his family believed in one god, only one god, was wealthy and powerful, and his religion is almost straight out of the Torah. This guy couldn't have been any more Jewish if he were eating salmon and bitching about his goy son-in-law (but if there had been salmon in the desert, you totally know he woulda been doing that, too!)
No different that Mormonism or any other fabricated 'Cult' of personality. The religion is an APOSTATE faith and holds zero creedance as a TRUE faith.....
You mean like christianity?
it's really sad and i am a firm believer that the world would be a MUCH better place without this religion or its evil, sick influence.
I could say that just as easily about monotheism in general, since whenever someone's come up with the idea, lots of people end up dead. The Aten-worshipping Egyptians had the priests and followers of other gods executed. The jews slaughtered their way through the middle east. The christians killed off lots and lots of people in Europe. Then the Muslims did in most of the local faiths. Then Jews, Muslims, and Christians started their constant slapfighting. hell, over in India, when they invented Buddhism, the early Buddhists tried to eradicate the Hindus, got driven out, and started killing animists in Tibet and Hindus in Indochina. And when the Aztecs and Inca played around with singular deity worship, they simply enslaved and sacrificed entire nations.
So it seems to me that monotheism is like a psychological defect more than anything, akin to the sort of people who put kittens in microwaves.
Not that polytheists were a whole lot better. They just kicked the kitten, though, they didn't get all sadistically creative about it...
One thing these 'people' are taught by their 'Imams" is that the western world (us) are very tolerant and generous
Nice how you put people in quote marks. Surely the sign of a stable, humanitarian mind you've got there, mr. "My God is LURRRRRRVE!". And two things. One, Imams are a shia thing. You find 'em here and there, but they're no big whup. And two... Heh. really? They teach about the awesomeness of hte west, do they? You am from bizzaro-world? Beauty are ugly and Middle East are friend?
reply posted on 26-10-2009 @ 08:25 PM by texastig
Originally posted by notreallyalive
Got some verses for this? Or is that just what they keep saying in church.
John 3:16
Originally posted by notreallyalive
The God of the bible is unfair [favoring one twin over another? WTH]
God gave Abraham the covenant and it was passed down to Isaac.
Originally posted by notreallyalive
The God of the Bible is a jealous God
If you read the Bible in context you'll see this:
In Exodus 20:5, it is not that God is jealous or envious because someone has something He wants or needs. Exodus 20:4-5 says, “You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God...” Notice that God is jealous when someone gives to another something that rightly belongs to Him.
From:
www.gotquestions.org...
Originally posted by notreallyalive
The God of the Bible is so many things other than love... Playing with a man's life over a debate with the Devil?
Where's that in the Bible?
Originally posted by notreallyalive
Making a man's daughters have sex with him, after getting him drunk, to carry on His chosen people?
Book, chapter and verse please.
Originally posted by notreallyalive
I'll just stop there...
That's probably a good idea because your not in context of the Bible.
Originally posted by notreallyalive
This is THE SAME AGE-OLD argument that sparks wars, lack of acceptance, and hatred! "My religion is right, yours is wrong"
Find the love, the peace, the connection between people, that which we all share - ALL humans. Don't judge one group as wrong and yours as right, just accept.
That would be nice but the muslims want to kill the infidels plus they treat their women worse than dogs.
Wife Beating in Islam - The Rules
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What if all the major religions started out with the same story and it slowly diverged from there
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