(Busted) Unbelieve Propaganda about additives no evidence, page 1

Guess what with no proof, just pointing figures.

Vaccine additive helps immune system respond to, protect against flu
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But a vaccine with adjuvant can produce a good immune response to viruses that are similar but not exactly the same as the vaccine target. There's also a chance one dose of adjuvanted vaccine would suffice for everyone, even young children. Preliminary data released last week by GlaxoSmithKline - the makers of Canada's H1N1 vaccine - shows even young children got what looks like a protective immune response from one dose of vaccine. Children under 10 are currently slated to get two shots, at least 21 days apart - a regimen that will be a figurative pain for parents and a literal one for kids. But Canada's chief public health officer, Dr. David Butler-Jones, says that recommendation may be revised if further data supports a one-dose approach.

AS03 is newer and isn't in GSK's seasonal flu vaccine. But the company has been testing an AS03-boosted vaccine to protect against H5N1 avian flu and a total of 41,000 people have received AS03 in clinical trials, says Dr. Thomas Breuer, head of global clinical development and chief medical officer of GSK Biologicals. In addition, as of late last week 150,000 people had received GSK's H1N1 vaccine containing AS03. To date, there have been no red flags.

Let's be clear. We're not talking about excruciating pain, we're talking about a bit more of a sore arm than usual - though some years seasonal flu vaccine packs a bit of a wallop too. About the pain: The adjuvant causes some inflammation at the site of the injection, a process that activates parts of the immune system. "Invariably adjuvants give you more pain, swelling," Fauci says. "But as far as prolonged or long-term systemic effects, there have been no good data to indicate (that) at all. In fact, the data to the contrary have shown, that it's really quite safe."

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My fav line

Q: Isn't squalene dangerous? Didn't it cause Gulf War Syndrome?

A: No and no.

The guy who wrote Helen Branswell had no back supporting evidence for the most of the stuff in the article, remember what he said about Gulf war snydrome?
As for the supposed Gulf War Syndrome link, it isn't true. I say it is true

If you do more digging into the past and finding the right information you will find the link, funny he mentions a study back in 2006 and yet doesn't offer evidence.

You can also tell the way the article was written in way of sense telling the readers the
vaccine is safe but the he who wrote it didn't offer evidence to the readers on how effective is the h1n1 vaccine.

reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter

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Thanks for the big pharma propaganda, after all when the president step in to promote the swine flu vaccine with his national emergency, guess who were doing great in the markets today.

Yeah, big pharma.

Hey I will wait for anybody to take the vaccine first then in about three months let see if they come down with some side effects. OK!

BTW, please people stop bashing grammar no everybody has a degree in linguistics or have an English major, we are after all people from many parts of the world in ATS.

[edit on 26-10-2009 by marg6043]

Do look into some thing called mycoplasma, it is also related to GWS and pneumonia.

Golf War Syndrome

1. Infectious Diseases - A number of infectious agents were present in the Gulf but medical records generally show that they weren't a major problem for personnel due to extensive precautionary measures (1). Of cause many infectious agents may lie dormant without causing an acute illness. The most common infectious agents present were thought to be cutaneous leishmaniasis, travelers diarrhea, sandfly fever and malaria. One unique infectious disease has been linked to the Gulf war deployment: viscerotrophic leishmaniasis (1). This infectious disease has been found in 12 U.S. veterans but none of the other Coalition forces personnel.



There is substantial evidence for mycoplasma infection playing a role in veterans illnesses. Mycoplasma can be defined as the smallest organisms lacking cell walls that are capable of self-replication and can cause various diseases in humans. Although usually associated with respitory and urinary disease, mycoplasma are thought by a growing number of medical professionals to be responsible for a number of unexplained symptoms, especially chronic fatigue states. Mycoplasma fermentans has been found in the blood of gulf war veterans at a much higher rate than in the overall population (2, 3, 4).

A few facts on one of the adjuvants added to the H1N1 vaccine, in most countries.

There seem to be some ties between Gulf War Syndrome [GWS] and Squalene. Squalene has also been shown to cause auto-immunity issues in lab animals according to Barbara Loe Fisher of the NVIC, National Vaccine Information Center, a non-profit vaccine watchdog group.

The amount of Squalene in the current H1N1 vaccine is ONE MILLION times the amount [See Squalene thread] that was given to the soldiers in their "Vaccine A" which may have led to GWS. GWS also showed up in people who were enlisted and vaccinated but never went overseas, indicating the antibodies and presence of this was due to the vaccine.



[edit on 26-10-2009 by notreallyalive]

reply to post by Amagnon

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It helps if you have been following the whole issue about the swine flu pandemic and the mass vaccination previous threads.

Is easier to connect the dots with the information you have at hand that trying to figure out what is going on.

Some of us here knows very well about the Gulf war syndrome and the testing of drugs on soldiers, see I have very close information on that because my husband a now retire marine was one of the testing rats, he and only he knows what he experienced with the pills and shots he got during the first gulf war while in the middle east.

And he has a letter in is records to prove that. The government went on their butts denying what they were doing to the soldiers, now we know it was true, so how can we trust the same government to tell us that the swine flu vaccine is safe, is too many facts against the propaganda.

Still we have done extensive research on the so call "safety of the swine flu vaccine here in ATS in other threads, specially one of mine the squalene littler secret.

So as you see is easier for people like me to understand first hand what the OP is telling.

Sorry you have to take more time to relate the issues in the OP.



[edit on 26-10-2009 by marg6043]

Q: Isn't squalene dangerous?

NO. This molecule is a precursor to cholesterol. Without squalene existence, your body would not be able to produce cholesterol (wich maintain your cellular membrane fluidity) , sexual hormone like testostérone or estrogen, or any other steroid lipids wich use cholesterol as a frame.

Squalene is form by chemically combining 6 terpene.
-2 terpene combined can produce a molecule called
Geranyl Diphosphate' or what make the roses smell like roses if you like.
-4 terpene combined cab produce a molecule called phytol wich is a precursor to chlorophyll, vitamin E and K
-8 terpene combined can produce a molecule called Beta-Carotene
, know to be a good source of vitamin A.

So as you can see, there nothing wrong with using squalene in anything. it's a natural occuring molecule in every animal.

As for the gulf war syndrome,

subsequent investigation revealed that the study in question, which attempted to link squalene to Gulf War Syndrome, had several technical deficiencies in the way in which it analyzed its data. On top of this, it has been determined that the anthrax vaccines given to those US military personnel, did not actually contain added squalene.

From wiki.

Froma guy who know a thing or two in biochemistry

reply to post by Jigore

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I guess the so call expert forgot that the squalene used in the vaccine is not the natural squalene that we humans and animals produce but a man made additive that is not natural at all.

Hell that is why manufacturing of drugs is so cheap while been sold to us so expensive, if the big pharma were using natural ingredients in the crap they manufacture their drugs will priced like gold.

Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by Jigore

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I guess the so call expert forgot that the squalene used in the vaccine is not the natural squalene that we humans and animals produce but a man made additive that is not natural at all.

Hell that is why manufacturing of drugs is so cheap while been sold to us so expensive, if the big pharma were using natural ingredients in the crap they manufacture their drugs will priced like gold.

LoL are you serious?
Squalene = Squalene
It's that simple.
Natural squalene is the same thing as synthethic squalene. there is no difference. Same molecular formula, same molar mass, same density, same boiling point, same melting point, same viscosity, same vapor pressure, same refractive index and same IUPAC name.
And oh, the bigs means pharmas obtain it via shark liver, kinda ''natural'' don't you think?

reply to post by Jigore

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My dear you are very confuse about what the body produces naturally and what we consume in our food and what big pharma manufactures.

Squalene: The Swine Flu Vaccine’s Dirty Little Secret Exposed

Oil-based vaccination adjuvants like squalene have been proved to generate concentrated, unremitting immune responses over long periods of time.

A 2000 study published in the American Journal of Pathology demonstrated a single injection of the adjuvant squalene into rats triggered “chronic, immune-mediated joint-specific inflammation,” also known as rheumatoid arthritis.

Novartis’s proprietary squalene adjuvant for their H1N1 vaccine is MF59. Glaxo’s is ASO3. MF59 has yet to be approved by the FDA for use in any U.S. vaccine, despite its history of use in other countries.

There are only three vaccines in existence using an approved squalene adjuvant. None of the three are approved for use in the U.S.

Why because the gulf war syndrom was to real too be ignored.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Is OK, I am going to wait until you get the shot and let see what the results will be in about three months.

It took about three months for the fiasco of 1976 to kill and paralyze people.

They started in Oct 12 of 1976 by December 16 the results of the vaccine were to much to keep vaccinating the population.

At least the children and the unborn were not the target in those days.

The compound of the squalene used in vaccines explained,

MF-59, MF59TM is a sub-micron oil-in-water emulsion of a squalene, polyoxyethylene sorbitan monooleate (TweenTM 80) and sorbitan trioleate. Squalene is a natural organic compound originally obtained from shark liver oil and a biochemical precursor to steroids. The MF59 adjuvant was developed by Chiron Corp., a company acquired by Novartis. MF59 is approved in Europe and is found in several vaccines, such as an influenza vaccine manufactured by Novartis. It has also been licensed to other companies and is being actively tested in vaccine trials. Exploring Vaccines

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Vaccine Ingredients

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reply to post by marg6043

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My dear, you seems confuse about chemistry. You can argue all night if you like, but synthethic squalene will always be the same as natural squalene.
Despite all the arguements you will ever use to prove im wrong about this. I will still be right and you will still be wrong.

No matter what you say,

6E,10E,14E,18E)-2,6,10,15,19,23-hexamethyltetracosa-2,6,10,14,18,22-hexaene

will still be

6E,10E,14E,18E)-2,6,10,15,19,23-hexamethyltetracosa-2,6,10,14,18,22-hexaene.

That the International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry name for what we mortal call squalene. Know what It mean? I do.
It mean among other things that something will never be called squalene unless all the rights chemicals functions are in exactly the right order, exactly the right chirality, atoms for atoms.

Let'S say you take H2O from a river, or you synthetise it by hum... mixing a primary amide with phosphorus pentoxide, it will still be call water because it will still be H20.

Like synthetic water = natural water,
synthetic squalene = natural squalene.

Philosophically speaking, natural squalene is synthetised by your body with some obscure catalyst and acetyl CoA, so even natural squalene is synthetic

And for the fact that you point out about ''squalene have been proved to generate concentrated, unremitting immune responses over long periods of time.'' well, squalene is a lipid. Lipids are soluble in organic solvant, like oil. Your cellular membrane are made from phosphatidylcholine, another lipid. Both like each other because they hate water, so what do they do when they meet? Yeah they join force against water by merging. So if you take TOO MUCH squalene, yes you will have nasty side effect. The same goes if you take too much vitamin A,D,E,K.

Maybe the guy responsible for the anthrax vaccine messed up. I don't know. Maybe he put TOO MUCH squalene in it for it to be super effective during the war.

Let's just say that if you take anything in excess, you will often face nasty consequence.
If you feel that I am being condescendent, well im not.

reply to post by Jigore

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Like I say you get the vaccine and then lets talk again about three months for now.

Originally posted by marg6043
The compound of the squalene used in vaccines explained,

MF-59, MF59TM is a sub-micron oil-in-water emulsion of a squalene, polyoxyethylene sorbitan monooleate (TweenTM 80) and sorbitan trioleate. Squalene is a natural organic compound originally obtained from shark liver oil and a biochemical precursor to steroids. The MF59 adjuvant was developed by Chiron Corp., a company acquired by Novartis. MF59 is approved in Europe and is found in several vaccines, such as an influenza vaccine manufactured by Novartis. It has also been licensed to other companies and is being actively tested in vaccine trials. Exploring Vaccines

www.whale.to...

Vaccine Ingredients

www.whale.to...

Yeah polyoxyethylene sorbitan monooleate is another name for squalene. No one use the prefix mono- anymore in chemistry.

An emulsion is simply a little bit of lipids in a larger portion of water.
This ''TweenTM 80'' is a proportion of ingredients rather than a different molecule.

As your source pointed out :
''Squalene is a natural organic compound originally obtained from shark liver oil and a biochemical precursor to steroids''

This is basically what I said earlier.

reply to post by Jigore

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There is a difference between a chemical found in your liver, and one injected into your bloodstream. I can think of many natural occurring chemicals produced that I do not want injected directly into my bloodstream.

Do you understand this difference?

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