"That building is going to come down Next" Wtc-7, page 2
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reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 09:08 AM by Nutter
Originally posted by thedman
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post by Nutter



It is the problem of fighting a fire(s) in a high raise building

At WTC 7 the fires were out of reach of ground based fire apparatus
WTC 4,5 & 6 were low raise buildings (WTC 4 /5 - 9 story, WTC 6 - 8 story) withing range of ground based aerial ladders,

In this video can see FDNY fighting fire at WTC 6 using an master stream
from engine to pour water on fires

Clip 8

www.911myths.com...


Again. I submit the NIST report.

And I quote:

The fires were ignited on at least 10 floors, however, only the fires on floors 7 through 9, and 11 through 13 grew and lasted until the time of collapse.


wtc.nist.gov...

Your equipment can't reach that far?


Fires in WTC 7 were on upper floors out of reach - only way to fight them
would be from inside.


False. See above


reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 09:37 AM by lycopersicum
reply to post by hooper


Why dose everyone who defends,that fire and the damage,brought down the tower, have the mentality that these very tall big,buildings where made out of pikie stcks,?

Buildings of anykind dont implode and explode at the same time when they collapse,with just gravity.

Hell, the leaning tower of Pisa leans every day.en.wikipedia.org...


These things!where huge .(think about it for a min) !
en.wikipedia.org...

They took about ( WTC 1, 2, & 7 ) 4 years each to build.

They had a combined 10,600,000 , square feet of floor space(every foot
ball field ,is about 1 acre in size) (think about that for a min)

Each floor, of the world trade center, was an acre in size.(think ABOUT that for a min).

It takes same amount of energy to destroy something as it dose to build something, nothing comes for free.(think about that for a min)

I have 2 acres of glass covered greenhouses,free span ,gutter connected (so you can stand at one corner and look out across 1 full acre of concrete floor,) each acre is like that with a road in between each acre.

Most, that visit my greenhouses are impressed ,and say WOW, then, I tell them that village farms, tomato farm, has 200 of these all gutter connected,which means, you can stand in one corner and look out across 200 acres of concrete floor( think about that for a min)

It takes lots and lots of energy to just keep my 2 acres heated and cooled, Imagine doing to 266 acres,which is what WTC 1,2,and 7 had combined.Imagine cooling and heating ,to a regulated temperature,each floor, of those buildings.Imagine the energy need, and that is just to keep the air conditioned!

So to put things in perspective.

It took a combined amount of energy of 12 years to just build the 3 buildings.
And it will take the same accumulative energy to destroy them,that is physics, no one can change that.
Whether that accumulative amount, of energy takes 10 secs, or it takes 12 years, to release ,the energy is the same.BUT the method to create that energy can very greatly , from man made physical energy, or controlled demolition .Energy is Energy.
Its form is the only difference ( A water jet creating 5 million PSI is the same as a hydraulic press creating 5 million PSI. PSI is PSI.
ENERGY is ENERGY )

No amount jet fuel, in those planes, that day or combined with, free falling debris, had the potential stored energy, to bring WTC 7, strait down, at just about free fall speed.The building itself had far greater energy to withstand that. Thats why it was only damaged after hit with debris, and did not collapse after being hit by that debris.

The only thing that can release 4 years worth of stored energy in less time (just a few seconds ), is some form of external energy.


reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 09:43 AM by thedman
reply to post by Nutter



Aerial ladders only reach to 9th floor

How many high raise fires you been too?



reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 11:45 AM by ThaLoccster
Originally posted by talisman
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post by ThaLoccster



But the deer dying is not unsual. A building that is not hit by a plane, and is the house of the "COMMAND BUNKER" and also houses the CIA, then it is strange.

It seems to me that the motive of Bldg-7's collapse, was to remove the Command and Control in New York City.



[edit on 26-10-2009 by talisman]


I thought this thread was just in regards to the video, and not the "conspiracy of 7" per se.

I think that considering the events that day, building 7 coming down would be "normal" in the context of something unexpected happening. Considering that 2 buildings that pretty much noone expected to come down, collapsed. I'd say that for people in the immediate area to "expect" that building to also come down, considering the damage, was "normal".

Overall I think there is something amiss with building 7. I'm just commenting on the video.


reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 02:54 PM by thedman
reply to post by Nutter





Except for 9/11, how many steel framed hirise buildings globally collapsed at freefall?


Seem to ignore (like most other truthers) fact that WTC towers were hit by aircraft first and WTC 7 had North Tower fall on it and heavily damge south face

Did you forget or are purposedly ignoring anything which doesnt fit the
conspiracy fantasies?


reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 05:55 PM by talisman
reply to post by ThaLoccster




I understand your point, but the thread obviously will branch or touch other topics in regard to the video. Keep in mind, that in a lot of the testimony there as expected a partial collapse and some were surprised that the building actually globally collapsed.

But the key thing in here as well is Silverstein's quote considering what happened, as well as what Barry Jennings had said.


reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 06:55 PM by Swampfox46_1999
reply to post by Nutter



How many steel framed buildings have had either an aircraft or another building collapse into them? Easy to make statements like that isnt it?


reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 07:22 PM by thedman
reply to post by Nutter





I'm not ignoring anything. NIST specifically states that this massive damage to the south face (which no one seems to have any photographic proof of except for a grainy smoke cover gash that we can barely see between 2 columns) had NOTHING to do with the collapse


Nothing to do with collapse? While impact damage may not have been
directly responsible it did initiate the collapse in other ways.

Impact ripped away building facade and kindled numerous fires inside,
damaged standpipe system to pump water through building. The
elevators in that section were wrecked preventing FF from accessing
floors without long exhausting climb. Ever try climbing stairs wearing
full bunker gear, SCBA and carrying hose and tools. Try it sometime...

Sprinklers had been disabled by collapse of WTC 1 & 2 which prevent sprinklers from controlling spread of fires.


reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 07:50 PM by impressme
World Exclusive: WTC7 Survivor Barry Jennings Account


www.youtube.com...

Anyone who has heard Barry Jennings tells of his experience of what he witness while being in WTC 7 knows he was standing on floor # 8 that blew out from under him and left him on the six floor, Barry was told by a fireman to not to look down as he was being help out the building. Barry mentions it was like walking on dead bodies and I believe him. We know there were people in the WTC7 and Barry tell it like it is.

I believe what Barry is telling us is the WTC 7 just blew up and from the inside of the tower, after the first explosion in the WTC 7 Barry said both WTC were still standing.

So, why did WTC 7 start exploding before the other two WTC came down?

Sure, looks like demolition to me.


reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 08:06 PM by Nutter
Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
reply to
post by Nutter



How many steel framed buildings have had either an aircraft or another building collapse into them? Easy to make statements like that isnt it?


Did you miss the part where the NIST specifically states that the damage to WTC 7 had NOTHING to do with the collapse of the building? How many times does this need to be stated until it sinks in?
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