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The Clone Conspiracy: Royal and Presidential Clones

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posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 12:42 AM
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Great thread, some very interesting and extensive work.

The rather curious and remarkable issue regards the current president and the former is the absolutely absurd behavior during speeches of any sort. Both act in exactly the same rote, robot like, manner. Obama is particularly awful, he looks left - slightly up, then right - slightly up, then left, then right, the center down, then repeats. Yes there is the issue of the teleprompter, but he does it in the exact same manner as bush and the exact same manner no matter what the situation. I know for a fact that the size of the group does not matter. Obama performed in exactly the same manner in front of a handful of people, in a house, who were all in front of him - no one left or right, but all right in front. Yes, he looked left, then right, as if they were not there, never looking straight ahead as he should in a small intimate group.

The other interesting thing is the common way in which some "insider" wrote about both. He mentioned that both were not interested in anything but sports, paid little attention to anything happening, had little to say, never seemed engaged. There is no difference between the two based on the insider's description. The only programming left in them is the good ole guy stuff.

So why clone? Here is the reason. The human populace is gullible, but not that gullible. They actually connect via energy before form, so a real human is need for the campaign trail. The person is groomed from day one, special treatment all the way. Ever wonder why Clinton and Obama were so successful in their early lives with so little privilege? Once the population is connected via enough exposure, they will replay on the memory that has been implanted in them, and only see the clones as they were programmed to see them. As you pointed out the clones are much easier to program and will never act out. I would say that Nixon was not cloned, hence the trouble as he acted on his own. Clinton is the anomaly, his ability to engage suggests something different.




posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 01:04 AM
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Thanks for posting this, I really enjoy things of this nature but mostly for entertainment purposes only- a little too extreme for me.

I do however believe that the majority of people in politics and some of the famous celebs are BORN into a blood line of other celebs and politicians and most likely have their future mapped out for them.
Mostly with politics though, I do not believe that any Joe Schmoes kid sitting in a class room saying they want to be president(or any other high position) has any real chance of meeting this goal.
Which is a complete unjust and conspiracy in it's own.
We are not all equals, we can not be whatever we want to be "when we grow up".

I feel the Royals are the most honest about this and the American system likes to hide it they want to stand on their own and act as if they got there on their own.



posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 03:46 PM
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the human race consisted of clones cloned in an alien base in this galaxy,they would be delivered all the time as young children.they had grays inside of them whom controlled the bodies/brains of their hosts.
the grays were made of hydrosilica aerogel making them naer impervious to detection.
the original human race was rescued by aliens over a 1000 years ago,they looked nothing like the clones,much more primitive looking

ive noticed many a matching clone in my time,for one john lear looks suspiciously like john mcain.



posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 03:46 PM
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the human race consisted of clones cloned in an alien base in this galaxy,they would be delivered all the time as young children.they had grays inside of them whom controlled the bodies/brains of their hosts.
the grays were made of hydrosilica aerogel making them naer impervious to detection.
the original human race was rescued by aliens over a 1000 years ago,they looked nothing like the clones,much more primitive looking

ive noticed many a matching clone in my time,for one john lear looks suspiciously like john mcain.



posted on Mar, 26 2011 @ 11:10 AM
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www.abovetopsecret.com...

Could these incidents be the clones breaking down. Seems to me the act just like a computer when it goes haywire. They are unaware that what the are speaking is gibberish, yet they continue as if there is nothing wrong.



posted on Mar, 26 2011 @ 08:58 PM
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Originally posted by korathin

Why does everyone assume there is only one end result of extreme stressor's + certain genetic predispositions?

Cause it wouldn't go just one way. Sure the mind can fragment, but it can also submerge itself (conscious into subconscious) or shield itself (emotional detachment).

Granted the first and last option remove people as threats, but the middle one can create an even greater threat for those who would seek fragmentation for puppets or emotional detachment for useful drones.


Hi Korathin,


Thanks for bringing up this issue as it is useful to consider the psychological aspect of being a Clone, as well as that of simply being an ordinary run of the mill mind controlled regular dumbed down human being.


I don't expect that extreme stress will always lead to the same result. The type of stress used to make children vulnerable to programming is a combination of sadistic physical violence, psychological disorientation, affective betrayal, pain associations, interference with basic physiological functions such as urination, drinking, sleep,
sexual assault by those you trust, etc.


Perhaps that dissociation and the emergence of Alters is not the only response to a steady regime of punishment such as is customary in certain social circles where one's birth heritage and genetics are not entirely ignored, to say the least. This was mentioned as a key motive for subjecting children who are unwitting candidates for mind control, not because it was the only potential resultant of such abuse.


I happen to have witnessed one person who upon being subjected to some of the worst treatment fought back by creating an emotional shielding which meant that he couldn't again be accessed or tormented so deeply again. This became a lifelong condition, assorted with an inability to be touched by many things of concern. Earlier programming may have remained intact or dormant, but new programming could no longer take hold, reaching to a learning blockage misinterpreted by the ill-informed as a learning disability.


However, I do not know anyone whose subconscious mind was submerged by their consciousness gone 'underground'. If you can tell us of how such an event comes about and what its experience can teach us, this might help us better understand whether humanity still has a fighting chance.


Getsmart



posted on Mar, 27 2011 @ 05:33 AM
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Originally posted by crankyoldman

The rather curious and remarkable issue regards the current president and the former is the absolutely absurd behavior during speeches of any sort. Both act in exactly the same rote, robot like, manner.



Hi Cranky Old Man,


Thanks for bringing your acute observations to this discussion. I shall try to reply point by point to your comments. You have outlined something which has become characteristic of the use of Clones in roles as Political Leaders, namely the telltale signs of them not being quite human and acting out a scenario as fully controlled puppets.


The current French President Nicolas Sarkozy is a textbook case of this phenomenon. He was broadcast on their national TV with a split screen. On one side there was a one year old speech, on the other a recent speech. It freaked everyone out because it sounded like playing back a recording. With identical wording here were more than 'similarities' in pacing intonation, articulation body language, feigned hesitation, emphasis etc.


Twin Speeches



Originally posted by crankyoldman

Obama is particularly awful, he looks left - slightly up, then right - slightly up, then left, then right, the center down, then repeats. Yes there is the issue of the teleprompter, but he does it in the exact same manner as bush and the exact same manner no matter what the situation. I know for a fact that the size of the group does not matter. Obama performed in exactly the same manner in front of a handful of people, in a house, who were all in front of him - no one left or right, but all right in front. Yes, he looked left, then right, as if they were not there, never looking straight ahead as he should in a small intimate group.


We had become accustomed to Political Leaders missing any basic human compassion. They have since been substituted by engineered puppets who obey every bit of remote controlled string pulling and who dance to their piper's tune. Could this be behind the recent move to Oust Dictators which the same parties behind the scenes originally put in place and maintained in power? Is it to replace them with more compliant Clones?



Originally posted by crankyoldman

The other interesting thing is the common way in which some "insider" wrote about both. He mentioned that both were not interested in anything but sports, paid little attention to anything happening, had little to say, never seemed engaged. There is no difference between the two based on the insider's description. The only programming left in them is the good ole guy stuff.


Those who work in the Secret Service KNOW. They are there day after day, night after night, as they complete the illusion that these are actual people they are protecting. Maybe this is why in the Intelligence Community they are simply called "Assets" ?


Apparently they are incapable of any real attachments. Turning on their long time allies and friends comes easily as they were never actually close to anyone. The closest they get to feeling is with regards to an obsessive interest in something trivial. Also they seem to revel in the illusion of existing in the eyes of others. They value nothing and no one making it easy to sell us all down the river or engage us in senseless wars leading to our destruction.



Originally posted by crankyoldman

So why clone? Here is the reason. The human populace is gullible, but not that gullible. They actually connect via energy before form, so a real human is need for the campaign trail.


Funny, I hadn't thought that or known any such thing. After all, they could present Cloned Candidates for each major political party and we'd be bound to vote for a Clone! I'm not so sure that somebody like Barry Soetoro wasn't a full time clone since his appearance among us, one with a very sketchy past history which was entirely fake and inadequately planted by people in the CIA who wanted us to be able to guess what he was ?



"I have obtained a list of some 100 addresses under the name of Barack Obama (and similar spellings). These addresses are attached to different social security numbers. As you know the first three digits in a social security number signify the state. Those were issued all over the country. One of his social security numbers, that was used while he was a law student at Harvard and attached to his address in Sommervile MA, was issued in Ct and attached to a holder of this social security number , that is 118 years old. Clearly no human being can legally have dozens of different social security numbers and Soetoro/Obama is not a 118 years old."

The Fraud Of Barry Soetoro


Obama has no traceable childhood or history, all of it having been fabricated along with precious few false testimonies to support implausible stories. We can even ask ourselves legitimately if the Obama Clone wasn't engineered as a fake stealth Muslim to better conceal he was to be used as a Zionist puppet ?



Originally posted by crankyoldman

The person is groomed from day one, special treatment all the way. Ever wonder why Clinton and Obama were so successful in their early lives with so little privilege? Once the population is connected via enough exposure, they will replay on the memory that has been implanted in them, and only see the clones as they were programmed to see them. As you pointed out the clones are much easier to program and will never act out. I would say that Nixon was not cloned, hence the trouble as he acted on his own. Clinton is the anomaly, his ability to engage suggests something different.


Your analysis is quite interesting. When it comes to certain Political Leaders it appears that some of them are indeed 'Groomed' to quickly rise to the top with all the coincidental facilities which help accelerate their uncanny rise to leadership positions. They also tend to garner support. Yet I differentiate Clinton and Obama significantly. It appears that Obama may not have ever had a real childhood, having instead been "born" Adult size. His early is so debatable it could easily have been invented as the CIA is accustomed to doing for agents it plants as well as the FBI does for those who after testifying receive a New Identity.


Bill Clinton the other hand, seems to have had a fairly well documented youth and also is alleged to be the illegitimate child of the former Governor of Arkansas Winthrop Rockefeller.Much has been and is still being said about Obama so this I leave unto others, and shall concentrate on Clinton with Sherman Skolnick, one of the best informed individuals on this topic who went to jail 8 times refusing in court to reveal his sources.



"When the Bilderberg met in 1991, in Baden-Baden, Germany, a purported health resort, invited was a then obscure Governor of Arkansas, Bill Clinton. They anointed him as the next President of the United States. The election would be a mere set up. The pressfakers present agreed not to mention, if at all possible, what they all knew. That Clinton was a walking, talking scandal. Not every American voter can bring themselves to know or believe reality. Namely, every candidate for high office is selected because they are blackmailable. The Establishment has to reserve the right to pull on the chain, any time they felt like it, to shut down such a candidate if somehow elected to high office. This, anytime the "powers that be" deemed it necessary, to shut him or her up, to remove them, or, scare them into silence with weird violence directed against the candidate/president's circle."


"Groomed since a teen-ager by the American CIA, Clinton in the1992 Presidential election shadow-boxed with his mentor, George Herbert Walker Bush, former head of the secret political police. Daddy Bush has been with the espionage cartel since 1959, when they helped set him up with six hundred worldwide affiliates for "his" petroleum drilling empire, Zapata Oil, later, Zapata Offshore, later Pennzoil, still later, Pennzoil/Texaco."


"Earlier, as Arkansas Governor, Clinton participated in the hundreds of millions of dollars involved in the dope traffic through the southern states, run by the American CIA, in part through the espionage airport at Mena, Arkansas. Clinton's partners were Daddy Bush, Ollie North, and Congressman Henry Hyde (R., Ill.), who was also head of the CIA "black budget", funds for covert operations including domestic and overseas political assassinations. Return shipments of air-shipped weapons, went to unlawfully aid the Contras in Nicaragua."


"He was selected to be an Oxford College, Great Britain student by the Rhodes Trust. As not widely known, but nevertheless true, the Rhodes fortune is pledged to overthrow the American Republic, to return this continent to puppet colonies, and the American inhabitants to be subjects of the British Monarch in London."...


..."Over and above the blackmailable items known as to both Clinton and Bush, was Clinton's position with the aristocracy that gathers each year as the Bilderberg Group. The person using the name "Clinton" should rightfully be called William ROCKEFELLER Clinton. Our interviews with middle-level members of the Rockefeller Family, convinces us of the validity of our position. Namely, that "Clinton" is the illegitimate great grandson of old John D. Rockefeller, founder of the infamous petroleum monopoly, Standard Oil. Several terms prior to "Clinton", Winthrop Rockefeller was Arkansas Governor. He was known to have fathered, throughout the U.S., at least five illegitimate children. "


"Throughout his career as Governor and President, "Clinton" was kept on a chain, by among other things, terror-tactics. A strange one-motor airplane with an already dead pilot, somehow eluded all the measures to protect the White House, and came within a few feet of crashing right through President Clinton's White House bedroom window. The White House rooftop battery of missiles was somehow turned off that night. The plane had to be guided, that is vectored, >from accomplices on the ground, to steer around all the obstructions and buildings in its path. Remote controlled? Perhaps. During his Presidency, more than a hundred of his confidants, friends, circle of friends, and such were murdered. His Little Rock campaign chief, Jerry Parks, was murdered, mobster-style. Various of his U.S. Marine and other guards, who knew a lot about him, were one by one, snuffed out in strange, so-called "accidents". His pal, Vincent W. Foster, Jr., was murdered and explained away as a "suicide". Other websites have compiled a lengthy list of these happenings."


William ROCKEFELLER Clinton


Below: Arkansas governor Winthrop Rockefeller arrives at the apartment of his brother, Nelson Rockefeller, where a conference for Nelson's candidacy for president was held, New York City, March 1968.





We will note in the above research that Skolnick has helped explain how a young orphan of unknown origins who grew up "on the wrong side of the railroad track" as he himself stated, became President of the United States. This also helps demystify why former Presidents Clinton and Bush Sr were known to vacation together when they presumably were from opposite sides of the political spectrum. Other aspects of that story are further elucidated, namely the sizable death toll in Clinton's entourage, by the further research presented below.



"Long whispered about, a file now has surfaced from the KGB, the secret police of the former Soviet Union.... The KGB file shows that the person identified as or calling himself William Jefferson Clinton has an exact double, except for a few details such as a recently removed mole and distinctive private parts.... For some 70 years, Russian scientists have perfected ways to create doubles."


"Reporters traveling with the alleged Clinton talk among themselves about the double or clone. Which is which? Is there a "real" William Jefferson Clinton? Talkative reporters, however, can lose their Secret Service press credentials."


"Knowing about this was the Secret Service's top expert on physical surveillance of the President. That specialist was murdered with other presidential personnel through a sabotaged plane crash, August, 1996, near Jackson Hole, Wyoming. A projectile hit the plane, say military witnesses (the alleged Clinton had left, earlier, by helicopter, to go to his birthday party)."


"The KGB file details the relationship of the alleged Clinton -- actually the alleged CLINTONS, plural -- with the Czechoslovak Communist Party Chief's son in Prague and at Oxford. The KGB threw junior off a roof to his death (the file gives the grisly details) because he discovered about the clone."


"The file, step by step, gives the chronology of how the alleged Clinton was groomed from an early age by both the CIA and the KGB. Useful was his split personality syndrome which often makes "Clinton" forget who he is and makes him not know murder from love. With young "Clinton" supposedly under =his= wing, the CIA
Station Chief in London went along, hoping to unravel KGB methods, the file asserts. The alleged Clinton was tracked as he attended anti-war rallies in Europe -- set up by the American CIA but actually by KGB. Sort of a series of Chinese trick boxes."


"So far, FBI counter-intelligence thinks they have restrained the Russian mafiya, largely now headquartered in Chicago, from using the KGB file to blackmail big bucks out of anyone and everyone. Also reportedly inclined to use this H-bomb of a blackmail item -- the KGB file -- are reputed foreign agents within the White House, including the President's senior advisor, Rahm Emanuel, reportedly linked with Israeli intelligence, the Mossad."


Sherman Skolnick: Clinton Has Been Cloned


The last paragraph should wake us up as it gives cause to wonder. The Russian Mafiya is today running its US operations from Chicago. This means it has either merged with or it associated with The Outfit, the American Crime Syndicate. The former KGB which is said to have Cloned Clinton is associated with the Russian Mafiya. Obama's first verifiable history is in Chicago, his wife working 8 years for Crime Syndicate Boss mayor Daley.


Leading us to legitimately ask ourselves if Obama isn't a KGB CLONE ?


Furthermore, the KGB / Russian Mafiya associates known as members of the DALEY FAMILY who held Chicago in their iron grip for over half a century... have just played a game of Musical Chairs with Mossad Agent Rahm Emanuel. He joins in the fun with the bad boys as Mayor of Chicago, sealing an unexpected association of the Mossad with the KGB, while Michael Daley is appointed by the Obama Clone to his job as White House Chief of Staff to either directly run the US Government from its command center or simply to keep a closer eye on the family business as White House Clone Handler.


We can also ask ourselves if the recent destabilization of numerous North African and Middle Eastern nations by the CIA isn't as a result of this agreement between Mossad and the KGB to use the US Government as well as the CIA for their own Agendas ?


Getsmart



edit on 27-3-2011 by Getsmart because: there are more Clones than we dare imagine...



posted on Apr, 2 2011 @ 02:06 PM
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How do you make a Clone, but it not be a good copy?

You get the nuclear DNA, but implant into an ovum with a different ovum mtDNA.

Implant into a woman from a completely different family. The mother's RNA is what turns on and off various parts of the nDNA code.

The same "person" is modified.

I think you're off track. People have been collecting samples of people for a long time.



posted on Apr, 3 2011 @ 06:13 AM
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Originally posted by Aeons
How do you make a Clone, but it not be a good copy?

You get the nuclear DNA, but implant into an ovum with a different ovum mtDNA.

Implant into a woman from a completely different family. The mother's RNA is what turns on and off various parts of the nDNA code.

The same "person" is modified.

I think you're off track. People have been collecting samples of people for a long time.


Hi Aeons,


Maybe you should just think of them as Cylons, given your Avatar, or of Avatars used by the Cylons ?


GS



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 01:36 PM
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I'd be more inclined to think of them as children of their surrogate, and their biological original.

A clone of me is my child. Probably a slightly more annoying child in that I'd have cognitive dissonance about them, but my child all the same.



posted on Apr, 5 2011 @ 08:51 PM
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Thanks for the reply. Great stuff. My experience is less with the clones themselves then the animating energy behind them. I would suggest that there are two parts, the outright clones, robots, like the pres and the rest. Then there are the folks who travel from body to body, often bodies created for them, but they are indeed a fully represented being - royal family being an example. Far less evolved then they would want one to believe.

The key way to discern, if you have access to them, is to ask them self-reflective questions. The pres and the like will simply read his "if/then" list and spit out the right answer to all questions, but this is much harder to do with self-reflective questions. Example: where do you get your ideas? Answer: Well, I am heavily influenced by doctor martin luther king.... Simply the if/then response. This isn't hard to accomplish, nearly everyone I know answers this way. Self-reflective: What made you think that you could unilaterally bomb Libya? He will counter with the closest if/then but it won't be an answer to the question. I have found it takes 4-5 five times saying "i know, (that) I want to know (this)" before the system melts down. Self-reflective questions often cause a program shutdown, otherwise known as a lashing out at the person doing the questioning.

Protoplasmictraveler in his great threads has shown that the planet is controlled by 8 men. Every decision for war, peace, and so on is made by them and then trickled down. At the key points, they want only compliant beings - clones, leaving no margin for error. I would suggest they take their marching orders from some off planet folks but that is another story indeed.



posted on May, 8 2011 @ 10:54 AM
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Originally posted by crankyoldman

My experience is less with the clones themselves then the animating energy behind them. I would suggest that there are two parts, the outright clones, robots, like the pres and the rest.


Hi Cranky Old Man,


Thanks for your very rich post which is long to digest and fully integrate. I'll start with your comment about "the pres" because you are not alone, my friends and I also believe the Obama who wasn't born anywhere to be found is not human but probably a robotoid. Here is what Dr Beter had to say about this eons ago, and let us remember that the Russian FSB and Mafiya in the USA are headquartered in Chicago and that it was the Rockefellers who sponsored this unknown quantity into the US presidency:


Rockefeller designed the Robotoids and promoted Obama


130 poses next to a Robotic Cardboard Cut-Out


Which one of you can be THAT fully identical in facial expression, smile width, posture and presence next to so many very different people and in multiple moments and instances ?!?


Playback Glitches in "Read-Mode" with no text



"The point is: We can’t see his medical records, his school records, his college records, or his birth certificate. He’s almost done with his first term, and we still know almost nothing about the background of the President of the United States."

"...Whatever happened to create that scar, it was clearly something serious. Was it a brain operation? Has it affected his thinking? Is he really an alien from another planet, which would explain no birth certificate? We have no proof as to where he was born, to whom, where he came from, or what his national origin is. Maybe he’s one of the androids (a replicant), like in Bladerunner, not really human at all."


What's That Huge Long Scar on Obama's Head and Is That Why We Can't See His Birth Certificate ?


Is Obama a genetically modified Robotron ?


End of video: a Robot in the White House



Originally posted by crankyoldman

Then there are the folks who travel from body to body, often bodies created for them, but they are indeed a fully represented being - royal family being an example. Far less evolved then they would want one to believe.


This topic is very compelling, because it had to do with the Human Soul being separate from the body and it brings forth the possibility of the physical body being little more than "A TEMPLE", Vessel or HOST to Human Etheral Souls.


This means that physical bodies can be possessed, inhabited like as many Avatars. Bodies might be used as vehicles, to operate on Earth within our physical space and inside our society. Moving about undetected among today's or tomorrow's mankind, they might spy us, subvert us, betray us, manipulate us, oppress us, enslave us. Aliens might thus have been among our population for as long as recorded history can account for and it is possible that an Inhuman Agenda has been played out here by entities which masquerade as people, using networks of secret society accomplices to hide their identity and cover their tracks.


Why might these do so? For power, wealth and earthly honors and pleasures, but also maybe for knowledge and even more yet, a chance at eternal life? Resurrection might be offered the most zealous of human traitors, those who sold their soul to the devil and pledged their every effort to protect our ennemies and defeat our quest for freedom and political autonomy. Do they "download" those treacherous souls into fresh bodies? Are there successive incarnations of the most nefarious humans at task against their own species?


Surviving physical death by transferring into another fresh body, who are these entities, are they Human or Inhuman? Alien or Demonic? Do they want to Invade our world to inhabit it with us as a slave race of are they striving to bring forth Helter Skelter, an unleashing of Demons from that other dimension we call Hell into our own plane of existence on planet Earth?


The Human Soul, the seat of which was said by French philosopher Descartes to be attached to the physical organ of a tiny pine cone shaped Pineal Gland at the base of the Brain Stem, would in this case be unseated and taken over by some outside force, either demon possessed or oppressed by "walk-ins" also known as the "legions from hell". Aliens might use this interface much like a data router to take control of potential hosts such as those who reach a position of power, in order to further their agenda which apparently includes the enslavement of mankind and the systematic culling of our species. The phenomeon of "possession" of Royal and Illuminati Bloodlines is possibly such a process, given those ellites perpetuate their own class to dominate humanity with the most despicable inhumanity.


Do our ruling elites Ressucitate in the form of new humans, taking over another's body or entering a Cloned "soul container" similarly to the mysterious Count of Saint Germain of centuries past who was notorious for never aging over hundreds of years ? Do they download their soul and memories into a new body each time the former one ages or becomes ill, as has been reported by some witnesses at the highest levels of Freemasonry ?


Does an Alien species from another planet or another dimension penetrate our psyches and infiltrate our society by taking over people, by creating cloned hosts so that they may further their plans for earthly takeover ?



Mystery School Soul Transfers and the Fountain of Youth



We don’t know what technology the aliens use, which is thousands of years ahead, but there are first hand reports from people who have been abducted by ETs, taken to other planets and replaced back to the time they left. More and more whistleblowers are braving up and giving details about soul transfer technology they have been subject to going on at secret underground military locations and the truth defies belief. Eve Lorgen www.alienlovebite.com has interviewed some. There are other interviews of insiders involved in secret operations on www.projectcamelot.org

Swerdlow still claims to recall a few details.

“It was Montauk, but I didn’t know it then. There was a vast subterranean area filled with water. The walls were like a gray stone. There were submarine docks because you could only get into it from underwater . . . very strange, damp and dingy looking. I went through an electromagnetic vortex and I literally felt my feet touch the ground. I didn’t know where I was. I think someone was playing the part of a German for my benefit, so I’d go along with the program e.g., telling me the war was lost and my family was gone, etc. . . .so I’d want to die. They killed me; they literally captured the soul personality of Johannes Von Gruber."

According to Swerdlow he was then ‘strapped into a chair and zapped with electricity by a seven foot, thin, white being with large blue eyes and a pointed chin. He reviewed that Nazi life and past lives with angelic beings’. He claims after this his soul was placed into the newborn of a Russian-Jewish American family’.

"There was literally a program going on where they captured some soul personalities and placed them in families where they’d never be suspected or believed. Today, some are beginning to remember who they were. Many Nazis were placed into new bodies, and I’m now meeting some of these people. Not all are in Jewish bodies, just a percentage. They’ve had this technology for a very long time and they use it for themselves. The Royal Family of Britain also uses it for them[selves]. They feign their deaths, then their soul personalities slip into their own descendants. They have amazing technology."

"The beings from the Rigel Star System use it a lot. They clone a lot of bodies and capture soul personalities to then insert into these cloned entities. In actuality, any species can use it. This is Sirius A technology."


THE UNIVERSAL SEDUCTION BOOK SERIES Vols 1-3


We need yet to further explore Soul Transfers given that these may have been going on for thousands of years and because it appears that this process might be intensifying in our current times.



Originally posted by crankyoldman

The key way to discern, if you have access to them, is to ask them self-reflective questions. The pres and the like will simply read his "if/then" list and spit out the right answer to all questions, but this is much harder to do with self-reflective questions. Example: where do you get your ideas? Answer: Well, I am heavily influenced by doctor martin luther king.... Simply the if/then response. This isn't hard to accomplish, nearly everyone I know answers this way. Self-reflective: What made you think that you could unilaterally bomb Libya? He will counter with the closest if/then but it won't be an answer to the question. I have found it takes 4-5 five times saying "i know, (that) I want to know (this)" before the system melts down. Self-reflective questions often cause a program shutdown, otherwise known as a lashing out at the person doing the questioning.


Thanks for offering a valid technique for weeding out real humans from Robotoids, however this fails to help when trying to discern who is really human INSIDE or who is a serial traitor in one of their multiple sequential incarnations causing as much trouble for mankind as they can. Plus we cannot know with this method if there is within a given possessed human or cloned container an ALIEN or DEMONIC entity, other methods must be devised to ascertain exactly who or what we're dealing with without going to such extreme measures as exorcists using "trial by fire".



Originally posted by crankyoldman

Protoplasmictraveler in his great threads has shown that the planet is controlled by 8 men. Every decision for war, peace, and so on is made by them and then trickled down. At the key points, they want only compliant beings - clones, leaving no margin for error. I would suggest they take their marching orders from some off planet folks but that is another story indeed.



The 8 Man theory seems to hold water, especially if we consider that these 8 men might not actually be human beings in the deeper sense. The secret society hierarchy funneling into the Royal and Illuminati bloodlines themselves funneling into the Committee of 300 leading to the council of 13 may well be superceded by the 8 Men who may work as a lead unit or maybe even represent Pindar ?


NATO Conclusion: "They could even be in the White House"


Whatever the case, the rabbit hole deepens until we finally uncover who or what is toying with our experience of life and treating us little better than an experiment and probably worse than were we dumb animals. The time for discovery and justice is nearing each passing month.


Getsmart



edit on 8-5-2011 by Getsmart because: the problem isn't so much the Clones... it is WHO IS INSIDE THEM ! ! !



posted on May, 8 2011 @ 11:01 AM
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Too bad the forum / site you linked to can't be accessed without registering, and registration is disabled.



posted on May, 8 2011 @ 11:23 AM
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Hi Grizzle,


I'll get on that right away and ask the Doppelganger forum's administrator what's up and if somehow at least it can be browsed by non members. I'll keep you updated.


GS



posted on May, 8 2011 @ 07:17 PM
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Hi Getsmart,

Great video of the photos take with the cardboard cutout. watching that, one can imagine no human would be up to the task.

Human: This is the issue. It is true the body is nothing more than a vehicle. Like a car, anyone can drive it. BUT, it requires an animating energy. That animating energy is connected as long as the body is represented on the earth plane, but, it does not mean the individual who is animating the body is the one in control of it.

Here is an example of what can happen. Michael Jackson was a child, human, and was subject to all manner of abuse - what is well documented is awful, but there was much more. The person who animated the MJ body was eventually pushed out, the abuse laid the groundwork for someone who found no reason to stay in that body. The "Thriller" video is the visual documentation of that event. Something else moved in. That creature was not an earther human, but another type of being altogether. It wanted to feed off of the energy that MJ gathered by performing etc., as that energy is massive. Once taking over the body, two things happened. The creature lost its ability to actually perform, all the performances after "Thriller" were simply mimicked, not real talent and eventually they were just awful. The second thing is it decided it wanted to look more like itself - all the surgery was the effort there. It was a major energy vamp, often people would "faint" in the MJ presence, not from excitement but from being drained. Now, listening for clues can be key. When the whole molestation thing went down, MJ stated talking about himself in the third person: "Michael would never do that" "Michael loves kids."

Now, the original MJ has been bumped out, but the animating energy is still there, keeping the body going while said creature uses it. That is an example of a hosted entity. This happens a lot, especially in areas where the beings inhabiting the bodies can feed off of the energy of adoration: entertainment is one perfect place, but also religion is another.

One cannot easily identify a "human" by the body itself. Anyone can have a body, the soul matrix is the real identifier. We've been brainwashed into only seeing and using the body as the tell tale sign. I remember seeing an interview with some guy who knew Alger Hiss, he said "that guy could not have been human." Had he known to separate the body from the animating energy his observation would have made sense.

In a little travel log on Russia Today, a guy takes a trip to some little town where they are famous for their hand made Goat Fabric Scarves. Anyway, he interviews some rock band that focuses on alien themes, the lead singer mentions meeting a reptilian and how awful it was to him. Its animating energy is different then yours and mine, totally different process and the body is different too. Now, what if we have a reptilian animating energy in a earther human body? Confusion.

In this case, most earther humans have a soul, which is like a clearing house, in which a multitude of incarnations report to. In our lizard friend, he's got a soul, yes, but it only has one extension, and he can't bear the idea of "dying" in the way we do. We die without issue, it isn't a big deal at all, we just move on, but our lizard friend hasn't evolved to the point where he has figured out how to incarnate the way we do, so he fears losing his memories, his life - as such he is incarnating once and evolving very, very slowly. In fact, most of the lizard folks are part of a group mind experience, think bees or ants.

I have read that there are as mean as 250 different beings represented on the earth plane. Most observe and remain in the shadows, but some do not. For those who want to be mainstream, and not be abused, they work to blend in. But often their evolutionary point keeps them from really blending in. Take a look at the folks in any Maximum Security Prison and you'll see very few human souled folks. The explanation, when you understand, of these folks being simply more primitive beings inhabiting a earth plane body makes sense.

The most liberating day in my life was the day I realized not all animating energies are the same. Many don't need manners, or more education, or rehabilitation, they need more evolutionary time.



posted on May, 8 2011 @ 07:22 PM
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Your first link makes no sense, it's comparing people who are related, and stating they are clones?? of course their going to look alike, they ARE related..



posted on May, 14 2011 @ 05:16 PM
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Well Nobama, this thread is 26 pages long and exploring the issues a bit further than the first mouse click might be more than the research you are ready to invest in the subject.


That first link was to a newspaper article which never stated that anyone had been cloned. It was merely linked to in order to explain how Royal families and aristocrats in general have been, by inbreeding, performing a form of "natural cloning" which has presumably been extended since further using the assistance of modern genetics. This also might bring one to meditate why one would seek to maintain the same genetic characteristics in a given small tight knit group of people from the same family line, given that concentration of wealth is only one argument in favor of such a behavior which is disavowed by the fact that the elders usually kept the wealth, the second born going into the military and the third joining the clergy.


I hope you do find time to further examen the Clone Conspiracy which may surprise more than a few.


Cheers,


Getsmart



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 02:06 PM
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Do you think there is anything to the vast number of celebrities that look similar to each other, I'm not talking celebrity look alikes although that is weird too and could be a clone program in the open, but celebrities that look like each other.








posted on May, 17 2011 @ 10:29 AM
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Hi Filosophia,


Good to see you again. If you're interested I'm sending you a PM or U2U is you prefer about a place that specializes in such research. Meanwhile here's a link to the other Clone Conspiracy thread right here at ATS:


Stars and Celebrity Clones


See you in the PM section.


Getsmart



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 01:40 PM
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Here we can hear at minute 5:00 Dr Karla Turner talk about abductees shown cloned bodies of themselves and threated by aliens to be replaced if they don't obey instructions.


They watched their own clone go to work in their place...unnoticed



If Karla Turner is right then we're dealing with some very nasty entities who lie, deceive, torture and manipulate us like so many pieces of owned property, mere objects for experimentation, exploitation and oppression.


GS



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